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bbunc

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The main issue for me is the speed of transition from when we regain position.
We are allowing the bus-parking teams to reset in solid banks after we gain possession.
The worst thing for a defender is to have players running at you when you are not set, we are giving them the time to allow them to set themselves

100%. We’re playing as if possession stats are the goal. We need to play much more aggressively in the rare opportunities we have after re-gaining possession.

We have entirely too much possession and aren’t taking nearly enough risks. We should be fine losing the ball more because it gives us a chance to regain and break.

I want to poke my eyes out seeing us recycle back through Winks or the CBs 100 times each game.
 

ultimateloner

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If we had started Eriksen we would have won. We passed sideways because without him no one could carve open a deep-sitting, organized defence.

I believe we didn't start Eriksen because he had told Poch he wanted to leave; Poch did the right thing to try to play without him, against a low-level team at home. No one thought Newcastle could defend THAT well under those circumstances, and how inept everyone else is creatively.

This defeat is solid evidence of Eriksen's importance. I think it's a one-off; next time around we will start Lo Celso.
 

beats1

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Watching us play today was not fun and it hasn't been good in a long time,

We only looked like threatening near the end and even then unless Kane or Son is on the end of a chance, it does feel like anything is going to happen

Something doesn't look right at all
 

werty

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Watching us play today was not fun and it hasn't been good in a long time,

We only looked like threatening near the end and even then unless Kane or Son is on the end of a chance, it does feel like anything is going to happen

Something doesn't look right at all
I thought we played some very good football and could/should have scored more. It was one far from perfect, but it was one of our best attacking performances at the Emirates.

I'm very worried about us defensively though, and it's not just this season's games. There's a worrying trend developing/already developed since last year.
 

danielneeds

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Watching us play today was not fun and it hasn't been good in a long time,

We only looked like threatening near the end and even then unless Kane or Son is on the end of a chance, it does feel like anything is going to happen

Something doesn't look right at all
The balance of the side is not right, and a few players are lacking confidence. You have to remember that we don’t play in a vacuum. Arsenal are very confident, almost preening at home, as opposed to their insipid away displays.
 

ajspurs

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Watching us play today was not fun and it hasn't been good in a long time,

We only looked like threatening near the end and even then unless Kane or Son is on the end of a chance, it does feel like anything is going to happen

Something doesn't look right at all

Yep, In the final third I'm not greatly worried. Yes we were a little bit wasteful today for example but the threat is there at least. From defence to midfield and midfield to attack is absolutely shocking though, the transition throughout the team from back to front is as poor as I've ever seen it. I can't remember us struggling to construct effective pieces of play so much, maybe since some of the AVB days.

I really am at the point now in which I think Sissoko and Winks in the middle really doesn't help, but I think despite the personal, instructionally, positionally and movement-wise something is not quite right within the team.
 

beats1

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The balance of the side is not right, and a few players are lacking confidence. You have to remember that we don’t play in a vacuum. Arsenal are very confident, almost preening at home, as opposed to their insipid away displays.
I am aware, but this isn't a reaction to one game this has been going for months now even longer.

Last season we got results but at no point were we fluid

Kane imo, has become so isolated that he is now just a distant memory of someone who was the most dangerous player in the league

Even our great CL performance was litered with poor performances with moments of brilliance. Its great when you're winning but I thought a summer off would do us wonders but instead we started where we left off but we dont have the resilience in defence
 

stevenurse

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How have we almost gifted them two goals today from our goal kicks? Hugo having another typical Hugo game. Excellent shot stopping but with his feet. Jesus. What's the point in tapping a goal kick 2 yards to a centre half to get it back again, only with pacy strikers closing you down now? Make an angle sure, if you really must, bring the opposition on you but gives me palpatations every time we get a goal kick.

Rose deserved filling in at HT for his part in their first. Cost us the points today. Playing out from the back is one thing. Being a **** with it is another.
 

danielneeds

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I am aware, but this isn't a reaction to one game this has been going for months now even longer.

Last season we got results but at no point were we fluid

Kane imo, has become so isolated that he is now just a distant memory of someone who was the most dangerous player in the league

Even our great CL performance was litered with poor performances with moments of brilliance. Its great when you're winning but I thought a summer off would do us wonders but instead we started where we left off but we dont have the resilience in defence
That’s where the balance comes in. Ndombele will be such a massive part of the team once he’s settled in. Really liked Lo Celso’s cameo today too. Once we have that Dembele-like rock that everything sticks to it’ll give other players more confidence.

Today was also the first time Dele, Eriksen, Son and Kane played together for what seems like ages. Get them on the pitch and we will see good things.

Yeah, it’s been a while since sparkling football, but I think it only takes a few little things to come together and it’ll click into place. Maybe not at Liv-Man City levels but at least back to our better days.
 

WePlayWednesday

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That’s where the balance comes in. Ndombele will be such a massive part of the team once he’s settled in. Really liked Lo Celso’s cameo today too. Once we have that Dembele-like rock that everything sticks to it’ll give other players more confidence.

Today was also the first time Dele, Eriksen, Son and Kane played together for what seems like ages. Get them on the pitch and we will see good things.

Yeah, it’s been a while since sparkling football, but I think it only takes a few little things to come together and it’ll click into place. Maybe not at Liv-Man City levels but at least back to our better days.
I couldn’t agree more. I came here to post exactly the same things you just said. So I don’t need to post now ?

COYS!
 

JCRD

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The first half there was some semblance of how we used to press and attack particularly the counter attack

The second as Jose calls it was 'funny' because tactics were out of the window and it was more about personnel and unfortunately we were slightly lacking to finish things off and we did have chances (although they did too)

Our defence is shocking but hopefully when our new signings come into play, and im not sure when, we will be back
 

Japhet

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Yep, In the final third I'm not greatly worried. Yes we were a little bit wasteful today for example but the threat is there at least. From defence to midfield and midfield to attack is absolutely shocking though, the transition throughout the team from back to front is as poor as I've ever seen it. I can't remember us struggling to construct effective pieces of play so much, maybe since some of the AVB days.

I really am at the point now in which I think Sissoko and Winks in the middle really doesn't help, but I think despite the personal, instructionally, positionally and movement-wise something is not quite right within the team.


We've had the same problem since Dembele left and the second half of last season turned to shit. We've brought in Ndombele and Lo Celso to address this but until we can get them both on the pitch we're going to get more of the same.
 

Cochise

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For as valuable as he is breaking up play, Sissoko really does very little for our passing game. Winks made some good spaces when showing for passes or throws and Sissoko rarely saw the space that had opened for him. There were only a few occassions when he did receive passes off of our defenders but I distinctly remember him looking uncomfortable with it.
 

SUIYHA

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This whole bringing the defenders into our box and having the keeper play short passes to them whilst inviting the other team to press us will only work under two conditions:

1. If our defenders and goalkeeper are all quick and agile, able to find space quickly and are all good enough on the ball to play their way out from the back and avoid the opposition press.

2. If we have successfully drawn the opposition onto us and we have more than one pacey outlet in attack that we can quickly play the ball to in the now opened up space.

Neither were true, so just what were we hoping to achieve with this? This is clearly a Pochettino instruction as opposed to the traditional goalkeeper booting it forwards, but all it does is put our nervous defence under pressure, invite them to make mistakes and actually tends to end with one of them panicking and booting it upfield anyway. This is really poor.

People are more than happy to slag off players for making individual mistakes, but the fact is Pochettino's tactical/in-game performances have been very poor this season and have been for a while now...
 

TheCheeseRoom

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Interesting commentary from the Guardian, which is purely opinion... but i'd be interested to see some facts...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/02/tottenham-arsenal-mauricio-pochettino

"And that was striking about the second half. In the declining years of Arsène Wenger’s reign, Tottenham always outlasted Arsenal. Not any more. Here, it was Arsenal who looked the fresher in the closing stages. Arsenal, without question, have become a fitter side under Unai Emery, but it is also perhaps the case that the regular double sessions Pochettino has insisted on this season, almost as though working out his transfer-window frustration on the squad, has left his players drained."
 

werty

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Interesting commentary from the Guardian, which is purely opinion... but i'd be interested to see some facts...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/02/tottenham-arsenal-mauricio-pochettino

"And that was striking about the second half. In the declining years of Arsène Wenger’s reign, Tottenham always outlasted Arsenal. Not any more. Here, it was Arsenal who looked the fresher in the closing stages. Arsenal, without question, have become a fitter side under Unai Emery, but it is also perhaps the case that the regular double sessions Pochettino has insisted on this season, almost as though working out his transfer-window frustration on the squad, has left his players drained."
I don't think that it true at all. We've had plenty of games under Poch against Wenger where they finished games stronger than us. It's was also a big problem under Poch in his second season with us, and in the two games against them last year. I also thought we finished the game stronger than them yesterday; the least five minutes or so we looked more likely to win it than them.
 

shelfboy68

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Interesting commentary from the Guardian, which is purely opinion... but i'd be interested to see some facts...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/02/tottenham-arsenal-mauricio-pochettino

"And that was striking about the second half. In the declining years of Arsène Wenger’s reign, Tottenham always outlasted Arsenal. Not any more. Here, it was Arsenal who looked the fresher in the closing stages. Arsenal, without question, have become a fitter side under Unai Emery, but it is also perhaps the case that the regular double sessions Pochettino has insisted on this season, almost as though working out his transfer-window frustration on the squad, has left his players drained."
Should players be drained four games into a new season.
 

ljinko888

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I don't think that it true at all. We've had plenty of games under Poch against Wenger where they finished games stronger than us. It's was also a big problem under Poch in his second season with us, and in the two games against them last year. I also thought we finished the game stronger than them yesterday; the least five minutes or so we looked more likely to win it than them.

There was a game a couple of years ago when we ought to have been 5-0 up before they made their one clear chance in stoppage time when Lacazette dragged a one on one wide of the post. Heart in mouth moment and would have been daylight robbery if they got away with a point.
 

werty

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There was a game a couple of years ago when we ought to have been 5-0 up before they made their one clear chance in stoppage time when Lacazette dragged a one on one wide of the post. Heart in mouth moment and would have been daylight robbery if they got away with a point.
Ya I remember that game. We were great, especially the second half, and nearly shit the bed at the end. There's were a couple of games at the Emirates where we took a lead and were fairly comfortable until they turned the screw towards the end of the game and got a goal back. And there was the game at home where we were 2-1 up against ten men that we drew and could have easily thrown away. So I don't think it's anything new.
 
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