The Mauricio Pochettino thread

dudu said:

Stadium build has played a huge role in everything to do with our club the last 3 years, something Liverpool did not have to deal with. I also don't think we were at a level to be able to just strengthen a couple of positions after losing the CL final to be able to come in this season and dominate.

Liverpool bought a premier league ready beast to fill their most glaring problem in the side. We spent big on bolstering our CM with players who were not prem ready and will take time to adjust, much like L'pool's big CM purchases.

I'm not defending or blaming anyone in particular, but for me, the whole timing was off for us. We peaked at a time that we couldn't invest how or where we wanted and needed to.

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Liverpool spent 100 million on a new stand and are Revamping another end of the ground.

yankspurs said:

Does this sound like a man who isn’t all in here? Sorry, SC

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Good news. Now let's see a motivated team on the pitch, and less of the pedestrian football we've been watching for months.

yankspurs said:

Mourinho will be a complete failure here as this team is already mentally weak.

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Nonsense, you don't win what he's won without being able to instil a winning mentality Hank.

Stamford said:

Liverpool spent 100 million on a new stand and are Revamping another end of the ground.

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Hmm £100m or £1bn, which is going to hamper a club significantly more?

Presser in flow: https://www.skysports.com/football/...ff-utd-southampton-tottenham-burnley-brighton

Poch:

The fans are right to criticise. The fans are the only people who you need to accept criticism from and not complain. They are always right to express their feelings and emotions.

The fans are emotional, they want to win, they love the club, the players and sometimes the coaching staff.

But of course, you can say nothing about the fans. They keep alive the game - that is so beautiful. That is why they are always right to give their opinion.

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Also Poch (on if he's the right man for the job):

Yes, I believe I am. If I didn’t think I was, you would have found out quickly

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I disagree Poch I regularly call us a bunch of ****s

cjbyid said:

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You fucking well can. Well the stupid ones!

southlondonyiddo said:

Jose = Trophies
Jose = anti-football

You pays your money, you take your choice

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You really think any fans of any of the clubs he's won trophies for give 2 hoots about that?

This is why I was talking about snobbishness.
Beggars cant be choosers.

southlondonyiddo said:

Jose = Trophies
Jose = anti-football

You pays your money, you take your choice

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Happy with that for two seasons. League cup and FA Cup and I could put up with a bit of dog football.

Stamford said:

Liverpool spent 100 million on a new stand and are Revamping another end of the ground.

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Chump change paid for by the sale of Coutinho.

Gb160 said:

You really think any fans of any of the clubs he's won trophies for give 2 hoots about that?

This is why I was talking about snobbishness.
Beggars cant be choosers.

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Jose would literally sell his grandmother to win a trophy. No regard or thought for the game. Winning is the only thing that matters

Most wouldn’t care at the end of the day. Some would

Bobbins said:

Chump change paid for by the sale of Coutinho.

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It was actually paid for by FSG, via a loan which they charge the club interest on.
You're right though its not really comparable.

Good noises from Poch, now I hope he starts with dropping Eriksen this weekend.

southlondonyiddo said:

Jose would literally sell his grandmother to win a trophy. No regard or thought for the game. Winning is the only thing that matters

Most wouldn’t care at the end of the day. Some Snobs would

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Some of our fans are like the homeless guy outside the station who'll only accept M&S sandwiches.

I cannot agree

Using every snide, underhand, gamesmanship tactic ever invented by man to get a result is not a sign of snobbery should you not wish to be part of it

Kilkenny Cat said:

Nothing personal, but this is one of the biggest piles of garbage I have read in a long time. Or, given that this is SC, in at least two days.

The League Cup sf v Chelsea? We were short Kane, Son and Dele for the second leg.

"Never properly led a title charge from the start"? Why should we have? This is the era of Manchester City and their zillions. We have no right to be anywhere near them.

"Should have won the league the year Leicester did"? This is the worst of the lot. A clear case of wisdom after the event.

We shouldn't have won the league the year Leicester did because we weren't remotely good enough! We finished on 70 points! We never led! We were fifth (?) at the halfway stage!

Why was it "a shocker" we started badly? We started badly because it was only Poch's second season and he'd spent the first season sorting out stuff and getting rid of the dross!

Because everyone else fell away or were very poor that season we were the only team who ended up making a chase of it - and then had people like you complaining we didn't do better.

The following season we were waaaay better and finished on 86 points - 16 more than in 2015-16. Yet you say 2015-16 was the one we should have won. Christ.

That the cycle has come to an end and we're emptyhanded "is Poch's fault"? More tosh.

The "consistent theme is that we always fall short under Poch"? God give me strength. The fact that we were consistent challengers is totally down to him. By every metric we have overachieved wildly under him. We should have finished sixth every season if the wage bill - the ultimate metric - is taken into account, or probably seventh in view of Everton's expenditure over the past two seasons. In those circumstances why should we NOT "fall short" under him?

It's rotten that we haven't won anything. At our best we had a terrific team that just happened to come along at the wrong time (particularly in the era of Guardiola's Man City). It occasionally happens in sport.

You're happy to blame Poch for us falling short. I'm happy to laud him for us being so near for so long.

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Why is it there are always excuses for Poch failing to win big games? Man City have only got it together the last two seasons. Before that Chelsea won the league with Conte, before that Leicester won the league with Ranieri. What I meant by we haven't led a title charge from the start is, for all of the plaudits Poch has got, we've never actually properly challenged for the league. The Leicester and Chelsea seasons were an excellent time to challenge, we had practically no weaknesses in the side and I believe weren't too badly affected by injuries that year.

The recurring theme in your post is that you always have an excuse for why Poch didn't do better. He had spent the first season sorting out stuff so the second season came too soon? Oh please. What garbage. What about the third season? Amazing to see Conte just walk in to the Chelsea team and win the league in his first season, when we were in Poch's third season and should have been peaking and stronger than them. Indeed we were extremely strong in that season, but yet again we were the nearly men.

Ultimately you believe Poch has overachieved, whereas I believe with the squad he has had over the past 5 seasons, we should have won stuff. It was well known by rival fans especially around three seasons ago, we had the strongest defence in the league. We had Kane upfront scoring 30 goals a season, the best fullbacks in the league, we had Dembele in CM in his peak form, we had the complete team pretty much, yet we still fell short.

That Poch was unable to fashion a title win out of that side, I think we will look back on in history and think what a stunning chance blown. Poch just does not seem to have the ability to get teams over the line. Managers like Conte got a title win out of a team with Victor Moses at RWB and Costa upfront. Good striker but not in Kane's class. At the end of the day, other managers at rival clubs are actually winning stuff, when fans like you are telling us to be grateful for what we have achieved. It's like you are still stuck in the 90s.

I don't think some fans realise how good our squad has been over the past 5 years. People make out like Poch has taken a team of average journeymen into the top 4. It's mental.

Gb160 said:

You really think any fans of any of the clubs he's won trophies for give 2 hoots about that?

This is why I was talking about snobbishness.
Beggars cant be choosers.

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We're not beggars though. And he's not the only option.

Why are people going on like we've got to choose between Jose or Howe?

Gb160 said:

Some of our fans are like the homeless guy outside the station who'll only accept M&S sandwiches.

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It is possible to simply believe Jose Mourinho is a bad fit for Tottenham Hotspur, given the obvious operational differences between him and the club. And believe that although Mourinho is clearly a fantastic manager, the circumstances he would find at Tottenham would not fit his team building style at all.

Nothing to do with begging or choosing.

And I thought Brexit was devisive