The Mauricio Pochettino thread

fishhhandaricecake · Oct 28, 2019

richard_gleeson said:
If we appoint Eddie Howe then I'm telling you now, we will be mid-table every year and Harry Kane won't be here long.

Spot on, HAS to be a top (world) class manager this time, Jose, benetiz(even though I hate the guy), anchelotti, allegri, any of those guys otherwise see you later Kane and hello mid table spurs again.

ackie · Oct 28, 2019

stonebrow said:
Ancelloti, Benitez or Mourinho for me... someone who would players would respect and proven winners. I’d add Allegri to that list but honestly know very little about the bloke apart from Juve doing well when he was there.

Ten Hag?

ackie · Oct 28, 2019

Benitez, Allegri, Simeone, Rodgers or Ten Hag over Howe.

Gb160 · Oct 28, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
If Howe is the next fall guy then all we should expect is another so called project, a few CL qualifications at best but no real ambition to push for the big prizes excepting maybe the dice landing kindly and we luck out by winning a minor cup, it should finally mean the penny drops as to Levy's actual ambition. But it won't. If people want us to actually, genuinely compete for the title and CL, then we have to throw money at it and a lot of it, surely where we find ourselves now proves that more than ever. So the identity of our next manager could tell us a lot.

I make you right, and this is where the milk might start to turn a little sour for Levy.
He'll still want to charge top dollar for tickets, I can see some of our big players wanting out, and I don't think that'll go down well with our match going fans.

Red Star wasn't a sell out last week, partly to do with the pricing, partly the way we've performed of late...imagine that in the Europa League against FC Bogov with an apprentice manager.

stonebrow · Oct 28, 2019

ackie said:
Ten Hag?

Maybe..would be concerned he turned out to be more De Boer than Van Gaal.

George94 · Oct 28, 2019

fishhhandaricecake said:
Spot on, HAS to be a top (world) class manager this time, Jose, benetiz(even though I hate the guy), anchelotti, allegri, any of those guys otherwise see you later Kane and hello mid table spurs again.

It has to be Mourinho, even if he's only here for two successful years before it all falls apart in his third season, as per.

nailsy · Oct 28, 2019

Lighty64 said:
you do know you can only have 25 senior players in the squad, where are you getting 29 from

The Tottenham website shows that we've got a 24 man squad, but that doesn't include the likes of Skipp, Parrot, or any other youngsters that Poch might want to play in the first team.

ackie · Oct 28, 2019

stonebrow said:
Maybe..would be concerned he turned out to be more De Boer than Van Gaal.

good point...

Danny1 · Oct 28, 2019

Gb160 said:
I make you right, and this is where the milk might start to turn a little sour for Levy.
He'll still want to charge top dollar for tickets, I can see some of our big players wanting out, and I don't think that'll go down well with our match going fans.

Red Star wasn't a sell out last week, partly to do with the pricing, partly the way we've performed of late...imagine that in the Europa League against FC Bogov with an apprentice manager.

Agreed, charging the most of any team in the Premier League & then going on to hire Eddie Howe is a recipe for disaster. We are now a club that can attract top level players & staff so shouldn't accept mediocrity. There are managers out there who are showing how good they are at their current clubs & we should either choose one of them or go for the tried & tested Mourinho or Allegri.

spursfan77 · Oct 28, 2019

Metalhead said:
Hard to disagree. Some have said that they believe that DL would go for a top manager this time and some believe that he would go for another 'project'. Without any ITK it is very difficult to anticipate what DL would do. He seems to prefer someone that he anticipates will be more of a long term fixture but we know from his appointment of Harry and to a lesser extent Sherwood (albeit I think that the latter was someone that he would have seen as a long term prospect had he proven himself) that he will change his stance on occasion.

Thing is, a top manager usually wants a lot of transfer funds and will DL be prepared to step it up in that regard now that extra revenue is coming in? We are in severe danger of losing out on CL revenue for next season and that will almost certainly affect the transfer window.

The first thing Levy needs to do is ask Poch if he still wants to be here and if he thinks he can turn it around. Then he has to ask Poch what is he going to do to turn it around.

Until those three things happen then we cant move on. If they already have a few weeks ago then Poch will be closer to the way out than the way in.

I still don't feel Levy is ready to move him on though, because he doesn't have an alternative. He needs to get someone in who is going to be instantly better. Based on Poch's WHOLE time here its a very difficult ask. Levy hardly has a track record for appointing managers. If Poch goes, we then have to ask whether Levy can appoint the right man. I'm not sure he can. We're pretty fucked.

rossdapep · Oct 28, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
We've had ITK on his possible successor. Levy has Eddie Howe pretty high up on his shortlist and for me, it's hard to see failure to achieve CL affecting the transfer policy when we've hardly been pushing the boat out even with CL football.

This Pochettino 'project' hasn't gone very well and the minute it hits a brick wall, well, we're seeing the furore on SC so we shouldn't hold out too much hope for the next so called project because lets face it, from the very very top of the club down to the coaching staff, this 'project' has been royally fucked up and I mean from Levy down to Pochettino.

If Howe is the next fall guy then all we should expect is another so called project, a few CL qualifications at best but no real ambition to push for the big prizes excepting maybe the dice landing kindly and we luck out by winning a minor cup, it should finally mean the penny drops as to Levy's actual ambition. But it won't. If people want us to actually, genuinely compete for the title and CL, then we have to throw money at it and a lot of it, surely where we find ourselves now proves that more than ever. So the identity of our next manager could tell us a lot.

Meanwhile, the reality is, we've flattered to deceive, people expected us to challenge for the title based on faith in our manager and our chairman and unless expectations are lowered all we're going to do is find ourselves in the exact same position two, three or four years down the line.

The only project that should be spoken about in the boardroom is 'who can win us titles?' if that is not the discussion they should be pissing off immediately.

We're at the stage now where everything is in place, therefore the only investment should be on first team players who will allow us to win stuff and compete year in year out. If that's not Levy's ambition at this point they need to sell up and give it to some with ambition.

spursfan77 · Oct 28, 2019

carpediem991 said:
You mean a cup run that we ended this year against fn Colchester? Open your eyes we get trashed by Brighton, do not win away games anymore, have an unsettled squad where 90% of the players are regressing and the young and new ones dont get enough minutes.
Poch is acting weirder in every press conference he does and his ingame management is tactically shocking.

Nothing wrong with missing out on Europe one season. But the club needs to sail in the right direction. And its clearly the opposite.

If we miss out on it to Arsenal then there definitely is!

I have to keep repeating this, but them missing out on CL football again will be devastating for them. They'll lose both their star strikers in the summer if they don't get it, you can be sure of that. Then they'll be truly toast. It's imperative we get it ahead of them. For both our future and theirs.

stevenurse · Oct 28, 2019

I'm so torn. He's clearly an excellent manager but has definitely lost his spark with this group. Pissed off too many and it's gone a bit stale.

Even the excuses from outside about players letting him down etc I don't buy anymore. He's the one picking them. Nobody is forcing him to play the chuckle brothers at full back each week. Nobody is forcing him to play Eriksen for 90 mins every game when he's doing fuck all. He's got lots of options aside from Eriksen and won't use them.

There's loads of combinations that would be far more effective and if every single fan can see it, I don't see how he cant. It's never good when you genuinely believe you could set the team up better than a supposedly world class manager.

Seafordian Spurs · Oct 28, 2019

Gb160 said:
I make you right, and this is where the milk might start to turn a little sour for Levy.
He'll still want to charge top dollar for tickets, I can see some of our big players wanting out, and I don't think that'll go down well with our match going fans.

Red Star wasn't a sell out last week, partly to do with the pricing, partly the way we've performed of late...imagine that in the Europa League against FC Bogov with an apprentice manager.

FC Bogov and Edward Howe The Fuck You Land The Spurs Gig, Dude?

In a beautiful stadium.

Spursy personified.

Mr Pink · Oct 28, 2019

And the other thing that is so frustrating is this bizarre way of easing new players in.

The irony is, the way he eases them in it will take them two seasons to see the best out of them.

How about playing them more now, so they can get up to speed quicker.

They were professional footballers before we bought them ffs.

This extreme caution with easing players in and the over rotation we see week in week out are linked.

Generally speaking I think his approach regarding the two linked issues above is wrong, and a big part of the problem but it won't change.

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 28, 2019

ackie said:
Yesterday's performance against Liverpool isn't as bad as many are moaning about.
We lost 2 1 because of s stupidity from our RB.

Some players played very well and tried their best.
Aurier and Eriksen didn't convince me.

Ndombele and lo celso will be fantastic for us.
I think Lamela, Son,Kane, a fit Alli and Lucas with those two is excellent creativity and attack. Obviously the problem is defensive.

All we need is a DM and RB imo.

Can someone explain to me why we don't play Dier or Foyte at RB?

You are using the worst PL performance so far this season as a reason for why it's not all that bad.
You are saying that one stupid thing lead to a loss. The stupidity is that one goalie prevented us from suffering a really embarrassing result.

rossdapep · Oct 28, 2019

spursfan77 said:
The first thing Levy needs to do is ask Poch if he still wants to be here and if he thinks he can turn it around. Then he has to ask Poch what is he going to do to turn it around.

Until those three things happen then we cant move on. If they already have a few weeks ago then Poch will be closer to the way out than the way in.

I still don't feel Levy is ready to move him on though, because he doesn't have an alternative. He needs to get someone in who is going to be instantly better. Based on Poch's WHOLE time here its a very difficult ask. Levy hardly has a track record for appointing managers. If Poch goes, we then have to ask whether Levy can appoint the right man. I'm not sure he can. We're pretty fucked.

Them questions have probably been asked. I imagine the clear the air dinner they had brought a lot of these questions up.

I think, from that, Poch and Levy reached an agreement that they needed some investment and clear out. The problem is it's the early stages of the season so were largely waiting for an opportunity to do that and I think Levy is going to give him that opportunity. Thus there will be no panic (just yet) between them. Levy is probably happy to wait and give him the new players, in the meantime Poch can just play around with the team as much as he likes, knowing that he's got time and is going to be allowed the clear out.

I just think the whole thing is unnecessary when we already have an excellent squad and an experienced coach with a winning track record could do some serious stuff with it.

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 28, 2019

Mr Pink said:
And the other thing that is so frustrating is this bizarre way of easing new players in.

The irony is, the way he eases them in it will take them two seasons to see the best out of them.

How about playing them more now, so they can get up to speed quicker.

They were professional footballers before we bought them ffs.

This extreme caution with easing players in and the over rotation we see week in week out are linked.

Generally speaking I think his approach regarding is wrong a big part of the problem but it won't change.

Yeah I agree, and I think that approach is preventing the team from benefitting from fresh legs, fresh motivation. Two years in and the newcomer's motivation is gone, and the hard training and fitness regime is setting in. One continuos factor is that we lack fresh legs that can hit the ground running every single autumn.

rossdapep · Oct 28, 2019

Mr Pink said:
And the other thing that is so frustrating is this bizarre way of easing new players in.

The irony is, the way he eases them in it will take them two seasons to see the best out of them.

How about playing them more now, so they can get up to speed quicker.

They were professional footballers before we bought them ffs.

This extreme caution with easing players in and the over rotation we see week in week out are linked.

Generally speaking I think his approach regarding the two linked issues above is wrong, and a big part of the problem but it won't change.

Yep. Totally agree.

When you consider that, because of his methods, we will always have a 5 year cycle with the squad, we are already losing a year of having these new signings cause eases them in.

I do think you need to ease some players in, but Poch seems to take it as a rule of thumb and the first season is almost a write off. We nearly lost Sonny cause of it!

Primativ · Oct 28, 2019

Mr Pink said:
And the other thing that is so frustrating is this bizarre way of easing new players in.

The irony is, the way he eases them in it will take them two seasons to see the best out of them.

How about playing them more now, so they can get up to speed quicker.

They were professional footballers before we bought them ffs.

This extreme caution with easing players in and the over rotation we see week in week out are linked.

Generally speaking I think his approach regarding the two linked issues above is wrong, and a big part of the problem but it won't change.

Spot on. It's truly bizarre. He picks players who are fucking useless, and contribute nothing, in Alli and Eriksen for example. Plays them the whole game despite clearly being shit from minute 1. Yet leaves talented players on the bench who clearly can't be any worse than the ones on the pitch Honestly, it's absolutely demented. Our play is slow and laborious, how exactly could the new signings not be upto speed?

Eriksen was so poor, literally one of the worst spurs performances i've ever seen, I could have told you that before kick off as he's been playing like this for a year, Poch picks him. Eriksen still puts in a terrible performance, Poch leaves him on for 90 minutes. Can any sane individual tell me how GLC could be any worse than Eriksen yesterday?

You couldn't make this up. WTF is Levy waiting for? Can't Levy see what we see?

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