The Mauricio Pochettino thread

shelfboy68 · Nov 4, 2019

jeremystorey said:
Probably overthinking this... but I wonder if Levy has been hedging his bets over whether or not to let Poch go.

Hear me out...

Firstly, we know Levy is rather notorious when it comes to money. He would be reluctant to pay Poch the cost of buying out his contract, should he be fired. So, perhaps he's been in a 'wait and see' mode. Banking on two or three potential outcomes; 1) Poch resigns voluntarily. (not likely at all). 2) A big European team (PSG, Real or Bayern), shitcan their coach and come in for Poch, thereby actually needing to pay Levy 10-20M to break Poch's contract. 3) Poch miraculously turns things around. Each of the aforementioned options, make good monetary sense to Daniel. The very, very last resort is having to give Poch the boot, and pay up the remainder of the contract... and then, have to pay a king's ransom to someone like Maureen. The math for that equation is simple; if Poch stays and they don't qualify for CL, they will lose about $30M in revenue, and a few of their best players. So, does he roll the dice and take a short term financial hit, in order to make a late run at CL with a new coach in charge? Tough call.

I think if this was 10 years ago, Poch would've been sacked by now. As back then, expectations were different. The amount of money involved for the coaches was also very different. Back then, we had aspirations to be a top 6 club. There was no expectation for us to perpetually qualify for the CL. Far from it. So, the game has changed considerably. There's much more at risk now that we are where we are.

I'm sure all eyes are on Bayern right now. As should they request permission to speak to Poch, I think Daniel will jump all over it.

Granted, what I'm saying is cynical. But I do think there's a sliver of truth to what's going on behind the scenes with Levy and the board.

30m no's levy has hedged his bets poch isn't going anywhere.

Metalhead · Nov 4, 2019

jeremystorey said:
Probably overthinking this... but I wonder if Levy has been hedging his bets over whether or not to let Poch go.

Hear me out...

Firstly, we know Levy is rather notorious when it comes to money. He would be reluctant to pay Poch the cost of buying out his contract, should he be fired. So, perhaps he's been in a 'wait and see' mode. Banking on two or three potential outcomes; 1) Poch resigns voluntarily. (not likely at all). 2) A big European team (PSG, Real or Bayern), shitcan their coach and come in for Poch, thereby actually needing to pay Levy 10-20M to break Poch's contract. 3) Poch miraculously turns things around. Each of the aforementioned options, make good monetary sense to Daniel. The very, very last resort is having to give Poch the boot, and pay up the remainder of the contract... and then, have to pay a king's ransom to someone like Maureen. The math for that equation is simple; if Poch stays and they don't qualify for CL, they will lose about $30M in revenue, and a few of their best players. So, does he roll the dice and take a short term financial hit, in order to make a late run at CL with a new coach in charge? Tough call.

I think if this was 10 years ago, Poch would've been sacked by now. As back then, expectations were different. The amount of money involved for the coaches was also very different. Back then, we had aspirations to be a top 6 club. There was no expectation for us to perpetually qualify for the CL. Far from it. So, the game has changed considerably. There's much more at risk now that we are where we are.

I'm sure all eyes are on Bayern right now. As should they request permission to speak to Poch, I think Daniel will jump all over it.

Granted, what I'm saying is cynical. But I do think there's a sliver of truth to what's going on behind the scenes with Levy and the board.

Who knows what he's thinking. Your theory could hold water as much as any other.

rez9000 · Nov 4, 2019

King Ledley 26 said:
It is excuses it seems to be a new excuse for pochettino every week, we could be relegated and people would make a excuse it's embarrassing how tinpot this fanbase is, the rest of the waffle you've just put I can't be bothered to go through every point and write a book but at the end of the day we have a squad good enough to win one away game since Fulham in, January we haven't, lampard lost his best player couldn't replace him and now sits double points ahead of us and we still make excuses for the magic Man who I will remind everyone has won NOTHING

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to pull you up a little bit here, sparky - precisely what can this 'tinpot' fanbase you've mentioned repeatedly actually do to bring about a change in management?

Your pronouncements have all sounded as if we're responsible for not firing Pochettino earlier. Can you explain precisely how you've drawn that conclusion?

So sick and tired of people constantly questioning each other's loyalty because - horror of horrors! - they disagree with each other. Oh no! Some people don't think the same way as me! My God, won't someone - PLEASE! - think of the CHILDREN!!!

It's been said by a number of people already and far better than me, but I'll reiterate in the (seemingly foolish) hope that people may actually grasp the concept - not one of us believes what the club's future should be because we are delusional, because we are more loyal to Poch than to the club, or that we want anything but the best for the club. Can we very kindly stop launching degenerate broadsides at each other?

sausage · Nov 4, 2019

My thinking was that Daniel and Poch are genuinely close friends by this stage (Poch has suggested as much over the years).

He got the hump with Jol for basically disregarding good gestures, whereas nothing is seemingly of the sorts with Poch (especially how different each treated/treats the cars they were given) so there's a very good chance he's affording Poch more rope due to that friendship.

PLTuck · Nov 4, 2019

McFlash said:
Oh I totally agree but I ran out of my medication over the weekend and couldn't be bothered to get to the doctors today, so I'm a man on the edge!

I'm finding this constant desire by certain people to feel the need to attack fellow fans, or to accuse them of this, that and the other, even more ficking annoying today.

I need my pills...

Weirdly in the same boat mate. Repeat prescription of pretty standard drugs taking a week to come through, so no drugs till Wednesday. Not legal ones anyhoo.

wrd · Nov 4, 2019

The chairman who absolutely refused to buy into the romanticism of what our young team was doing and didn't spend when needed to push on in our pursuit of titles because he absolutely would not jeopardise the perceived long term future of the club by risking the finances during a huge infrastructure rebuild is sticking by the manager because they're BFF's.

Doubt [x]

wrd · Nov 4, 2019

McFlash said:
Oh I totally agree but I ran out of my medication over the weekend and couldn't be bothered to get to the doctors today, so I'm a man on the edge!

I'm finding this constant desire by certain people to feel the need to attack fellow fans, or to accuse them of this, that and the other, even more ficking annoying today.

I need my pills...

PLTuck said:
Weirdly in the same boat mate. Repeat prescription of pretty standard drugs taking a week to come through, so no drugs till Wednesday. Not legal ones anyhoo.

I see you both made the wise choice to visit the spurs forums whilst in the midst of tilt :whistle:

McFlash · Nov 4, 2019

PLTuck said:
Weirdly in the same boat mate. Repeat prescription of pretty standard drugs taking a week to come through, so no drugs till Wednesday. Not legal ones anyhoo.

Yeah, I put my repeat in at the doctors on Tuesday, popped in to my local chemist to collect it on Saturday morning, only to find that it hadn't been sent.
Took my last happy pill on Friday and I'm now beginning to regret the decision not to sort it this morning!

Johnny J · Nov 4, 2019

Rumours of Mourinho to Arsenal getting stronger. Really think we're missing a trick if he goes there while we continue our slide down the table.

dagraham · Nov 4, 2019

soup said:
I'm hoping we haven't become a club who is snuggly warm in our nearly men status. It seems with Poch we've found the ultimate nearly man, and a manager a lot of fans are worried about losing because this is the best we can expect.

For me, this isn't the best we should expect. We shouldn't have to settle for this, because if we do, it shows we are happy to be where we are, but scared of rolling the dice and becoming a truly big club...who wins things.

Top 4, check. CL, check, a couple of semi-finals, check. This is what we were all dreaming of for years, and now we've got it, it seems a majority of us are comfortable with our new status and scared of making that next leap.

We can tread water for another 5 years, doing the same, rolling along like we always have, or we can make a statement and go balls out for an actual world class manager. I'm certain that it will take us someone like Mourinho, for the short or long term, to elevate us into that club that does hire the best managers and buy the best players, and I think Mourinho would command that level of improvement from both the players and the owners.

I'm sick of seeing us constantly capitulate, be it the disappointment of not getting top 4, to lasagne-gate, to losing semi-finals, to not winning the CL when it was there for the taking. Is this always going to be us?

Poch for the moment is perfect, he's nearly good enough, our team is nearly good enough, the owners are nearly good enough and 60% of us, judging by the poll, are happy with it. I'm just not anymore.

Entitled? Why not? Why shouldn't we expect to win something after all these years of foundations, building and developing, otherwise what are we here for? Just to make up the numbers and give the other big clubs something to constantly laugh at? Big clubs do feel entitled and that's why we always take the piss out of ManU and Liverpool, as they expect their team to perform and win stuff. Guess what? They do.

We are just West Ham with more money at the moment. A club you can guarantee will let you down in the end. I want better now.

A little while ago our squad had the highest value squad in the world, with the best defence, a golden boot winner, and our golden age. We've now added the best stadium and the best training complex. Why are we settling for a manager who is getting worse as we are getting better? I don't have faith anymore. It's time we pulled up a chair at the big table.

We should be aiming at winning the league. Not looking at a potential relegation season. Mourinho was a failure for finishing second. We're happy with scraping 4th. As a fanbase we need to start setting our expectations higher.

Excellent post.

To pick up on your “nearly men” observation of both the club and Poch, this is the thing that’s niggling at me.

I can totally understand why Poch is being cut some slack by both fans and the hierarchy, but what concerns me is that if we batten down the hatches to implement this rebuild, what makes us believe that Poch MII will take the leap from nearly men to winners?

I’ve been very critical of ENIC in the transfer market and while I stand by it, there’s no doubt in my mind that our squad has been good enough to win something in the last few years, but have failed to do so.

We don’t really seem to have learned as a team over that period or acquired the street smarts necessary to become winners, and that’s largely down to the manager imo.

I also have my doubts the mark II rebuild will be any better personnel wise, with the potential for Kane to get restless also.

As you say, time to shed our “nearly men” status and be the club we’re purported to be. You can have as many top class facilities as you like, but success is ultimately measured by performance on the pitch.

Gb160 · Nov 4, 2019

Misfit said:
Club seems content to throw the entire season away. Disgusting.

Its fucking infuriating, so much so I'm seriously thinking about following another sport for the next 8 months.

Who's the Man City of curling?

spursfan77 · Nov 4, 2019

glacierSpurs said:
Strangely it does seem like that. It's really puzzling our 10 months of poor performance doesn't seem to concern Levy a bit.

We don’t know that do we?

Poch might not be here in a week’s time for all we know.

There’s no way Levy will be happy about us missing out on top 4. If we do, in our first full season back in the stadium, then Poch will be sacked.

We will lose money through sponsors for the stadium, kit, shirt on top of not getting the champions league money. We are now paying our players much more than we used to. Without the champions league bonus money we won’t be in the market for a lot of players. And don’t forget Poch is apparently picky on who he wants. We could end up getting nobody in again!

OPModric · Nov 4, 2019

Trix said:
I tend to agree. I can't see Levy pulling the trigger until the home fans turn on him. I still think this is a way off.

And for the fans to turn on him media will have to questioning him even more, and thats not the case right now.

spursfan77 · Nov 4, 2019

jeremystorey said:
Probably overthinking this... but I wonder if Levy has been hedging his bets over whether or not to let Poch go.

Hear me out...

Firstly, we know Levy is rather notorious when it comes to money. He would be reluctant to pay Poch the cost of buying out his contract, should he be fired. So, perhaps he's been in a 'wait and see' mode. Banking on two or three potential outcomes; 1) Poch resigns voluntarily. (not likely at all). 2) A big European team (PSG, Real or Bayern), shitcan their coach and come in for Poch, thereby actually needing to pay Levy 10-20M to break Poch's contract. 3) Poch miraculously turns things around. Each of the aforementioned options, make good monetary sense to Daniel. The very, very last resort is having to give Poch the boot, and pay up the remainder of the contract... and then, have to pay a king's ransom to someone like Maureen. The math for that equation is simple; if Poch stays and they don't qualify for CL, they will lose about $30M in revenue, and a few of their best players. So, does he roll the dice and take a short term financial hit, in order to make a late run at CL with a new coach in charge? Tough call.

I think if this was 10 years ago, Poch would've been sacked by now. As back then, expectations were different. The amount of money involved for the coaches was also very different. Back then, we had aspirations to be a top 6 club. There was no expectation for us to perpetually qualify for the CL. Far from it. So, the game has changed considerably. There's much more at risk now that we are where we are.

I'm sure all eyes are on Bayern right now. As should they request permission to speak to Poch, I think Daniel will jump all over it.

Granted, what I'm saying is cynical. But I do think there's a sliver of truth to what's going on behind the scenes with Levy and the board.

I don’t think you’re miles off.

Gb160 · Nov 4, 2019

McFlash said:
I know that you state that you're being controversial but in fact, you are being incredibly ignorant, disrespectful and downright rude towards many people.
What an incredibly ****ish thing to think/say!

True fans have a cockerel tattooed on their face and only listen to Chas & Dave.

McFlash · Nov 4, 2019

Gb160 said:
Its fucking infuriating, so much so I'm seriously thinking about following another sport for the next 8 months.

Who's the Man City of curling?

Scotland?

rez9000 · Nov 4, 2019

McFlash said:
Scotland?

No, Winterfell.

dagraham · Nov 4, 2019

spursfan77 said:
We don’t know that do we?

Poch might not be here in a week’s time for all we know.

There’s no way Levy will be happy about us missing out on top 4. If we do, in our first full season back in the stadium, then Poch will be sacked.

We will lose money through sponsors for the stadium, kit, shirt on top of not getting the champions league money. We are now paying our players much more than we used to. Without the champions league bonus money we won’t be in the market for a lot of players. And don’t forget Poch is apparently picky on who he wants. We could end up getting nobody in again!

If he was really that bothered then he would have pulled the trigger already or at least if we fail to win on Saturday as even the most optimistic fan can’t imagine that we can bridge a 10 point gap playing the way we are.

I think as long as the stadium keeps being filled and the home fans don’t completely turn Levy will just carry on. Regardless of whether the season is a write off.

Lighty64 · Nov 4, 2019

Monkey boy said:
I know we’ve been shite for ages and yesterday was a tough and painful watch but I still want him to stay. Out of nothing else other than blind loyalty I want him to stay and turn it around. I really think that after the international break that GLC and Sess will be regular fixtures in the team and if we can just win a couple on the bounce that with a little confidence injected in to us then we’ll see vast improvements. I actually think that this season is a write off now and maybe he should focus his energy on winning the FA cup or dare I say it the Europa as I have a sneaky suspicion that we’ll lose on Wednesday as we don’t have the bottle to go to Serbia and win in front of their hostile crowd.

That said, anything other than a win on Saturday and I want him gone and Jose in!!

I also think we will have trouble over there, which won't be helped with the possibility of No Kane if he had a virus, no Son or Aurier due to them not being in the right frame of mind after the Gomes injury, especially Son. if Lamela isn't fit then we will have Eriksen playing again with Moura and Dele, unless Poch throws Parrott into the lions den

yankspurs · Nov 4, 2019

Johnny J said:
Rumours of Mourinho to Arsenal getting stronger. Really think we're missing a trick if he goes there while we continue our slide down the table.

Fucking about for too long is Levy's favorite past time.

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