The Mauricio Pochettino thread

dudu · Nov 5, 2019

Japhet said:
The big question mark over that (and I mean BIG), is whether he has the desire to be here and achieve those things.

Desire is maybe not the word I would use.

Sometimes, stubbornness is our biggest enemy and his desire to correct things and 'fix' them might be his biggest downfall if he isn't capable of taking the steps back he needs to and seeing things from a less emotional perspective.

soflapaul · Nov 5, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
Levy is reasonable have you only started supporting spurs since August poch will be lucky if he is given the chance to buy a lottery ticket in January certainly not 2/3 player's.

While it seems it was ages ago, didn't JJetset say that January would be fun?

Archibald&Crooks · Nov 5, 2019

This thread has been going around in circles for quite some time now. After every game we get another hundred pages or so of cut and paste argument ?

I think the more sensible among us swerved this thread quite some time ago

Sp3akerboxxx · Nov 5, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
This thread has been going around in circles for quite some time now. After every game we get another hundred pages or so of cut and paste argument ?

I think the more sensible among us swerved this thread quite some time ago

Says man in thread

Archibald&Crooks · Nov 5, 2019

Sp3akerboxxx said:
Says man in thread

I'm not sensible ?

dagraham · Nov 5, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
This thread has been going around in circles for quite some time now. After every game we get another hundred pages or so of cut and paste argument ?

I think the more sensible among us swerved this thread quite some time ago

yeah I said as much last week. I hope it comes to a conclusion either way quickly, because a whole season of this will be tedious.

glacierSpurs · Nov 5, 2019

Japhet said:
The big question mark over that (and I mean BIG), is whether he has the desire to be here and achieve those things.

This.

My personal opinion is he will leave if some club comes knocking. ATM seems to be just going through motion and doing the bare minimum. Because that shows from the players and performance we have had so far.

shelfboy68 · Nov 5, 2019

soflapaul said:
While it seems it was ages ago, didn't JJetset say that January would be fun?

Possibly although it will be fun trying to convince top players to come stuck in 11th spot that we are CL bound.

SpartanSpur · Nov 5, 2019

glacierSpurs said:
This.

My personal opinion is he will leave if some club comes knocking. ATM seems to be just going through motion and doing the bare minimum. Because that shows from the players and performance we have had so far.

I could be wrong but this is starting to smell of Levy brinksmanship over the compensation and not wanting to allow a top side to get Poch on a free. Can see why he does it but the club tends to suffer for it.

McFlash · Nov 5, 2019

allatsea said:
I have never suggested he is ‘shit’. But he does have IMO serious personality problems, possibly mental health problems, which inevitably mean his stays are always relatively short. If you just want to win something he is probably our man. If you don’t have unlimited money to spend and want to build something of substance he is definitely not your man.

See, I'm all for increased awareness of mental health, especially in men but blimey, I've seen it used for both Eriksen and Mourinho in the last couple of days!
Jesus Christ.

spurs mental · Nov 5, 2019

Wig said:
Jesus, why do we have until Spurs drop into the bottom 3 before taking action?

Same reason Poch only makes subs after we concede a goal?

Matthew · Nov 5, 2019

AnotherSpursFan said:
Mr Levy, in case you are reading this

Please hire me as the next manager
You only need to pay me 500k pound per year
Heres my credential:
Won 5 EPL title in Championship Manager 2003/2004
Won 3 UEFA Champs League
Persuaded star players like Maldini, Cannavaro and Hernan Crespo to join the club
Unearthed and moulded young gems from Icelqnd and Scandinavia country into World beaters
Had 35 winning streak in all competitions

single are we?

BringBack_leGin · Nov 5, 2019

RikkiRocket said:
not at all. I’m gutted pochs reign is currently in the mud. Not what I wanted at all, I just think if those two results play out, enough will be enough.

I’m in the same place in that a think that he needs no blips tomorrow and Saturday.
I’d go as far as to say that to have any hope of getting our season on track, we need to win the next five matches this month (3 league and 2 CL). That’ll see us qualified in Europe and give us form going into the December fixtures.

TheAmerican · Nov 5, 2019

allatsea said:
so why did they all sack him ?

The same reason as to why we should sack poch, sometimes your time runs out and it becomes stale. I do also think mourinho wanted out at United. Either way, mourinho tends to extract the most out of his clubs for a short term, and that’s what we need right now.

dagraham · Nov 5, 2019

McFlash said:
See, I'm all for increased awareness of mental health, especially in men but blimey, I've seen it used for both Eriksen and Mourinho in the last couple of days!
Jesus Christ.

If Mourinho has mental health issues then so do most other single minded serial winners in sports throughout history.

Yes it’s a “win at all costs” philosophy which can sometimes cross the line, but it used to be a seen as a driven, single mindedness that can give you a competitive advantage and now it’s seen as mental health issues.

Welcome to 2019.

PLTuck · Nov 5, 2019

This thread (on both sides of the argument)

Lighty64 · Nov 5, 2019

allatsea said:
so why did they all sack him ?

that's an easy answer

replace a manager, or replace the 20 players he pissed off for criticizing in the open

most of those trophies were won when his only competition was MU and SAF the richest club in the country. Now with City outspending them, with a strong squad and the better manager he would only win trophies with us (CoC or FA Cup if City were eliminated).

Sp3akerboxxx · Nov 5, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
I'm not sensible ?

None of us are. If any of us were sensible we'd be doing something more productive with our time than arguing about football with a bunch of anonymous weirdoes.

Sensible leaves the equation the second you start typing spurscommunity.co.uk in your address bar. What thread you post in after that matters nought.

Graham Minshall · Nov 5, 2019

This is my view of Pochettino.

Apart from spurs he’s never managed a club for more then 3 years, the first 3years at spurs the improvement was there for all to see, the last 2 years, the team has regressed and performances have been in decline.
I’m sure some people will say there’s been mitigating reasons, but that doesn’t make it any less true, so for me there’s absolutely no proof that he has the nous to turn this around.

Transfers,

This is all off the top of my head and not gospel,
He’s signed 25+ players, this transfer window, we, if ITK is to be believed, signed his top three targets at a cost of 150 million if Le Celso stays,
His net spend ( I hate that phrase, it’s up there with credit in the bank as the biggest load of bollocks going) is 87 million before this season, more than Klopp, for what that matters.

Tactics,

Rotation, in his 2 best seasons, it was mainly the fullbacks that were rotated, due to the system we played and the amount of running they had to do, now it seems it’s rotation for the sake of it with no coherent system at all?
Players who should be rotated out of the team and never play again seem like fixtures and can’t be removed.

Youth players,

At Southampton and spurs, youth was brought through, now this may have been due to necessity, but there now seems to be a twilight zone at Tottenham, between, the u23’s, training with the first team, the bench and not playing, KWP, Skipp,Tanganga, etc, could Parrott be the next one.

Now from what I’ve written above it may seem I’m advocating getting rid of Pochettino, I’m not, I just want to see an improvement in performances and a coherent plan for the future, if this is with Pochettino, great, if not, great, but this season seems and feels like AVB’s last season and that change is inevitable!

Sp3akerboxxx · Nov 5, 2019

Lighty64 said:
that's an easy answer

replace a manager, or replace the 20 players he pissed off for criticizing in the open

most of those trophies were won when his only competition was MU and SAF the richest club in the country. Now with City outspending them, with a strong squad and the better manager he would only win trophies with us (CoC or FA Cup if City were eliminated).

When he won La Liga, Barcelona were the best team that has probably ever played the game. Who else could have taken a title off of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, with Pep Guardiola as manager, in a season when Barcelona finished with 91 points? Jose finished with 100 points, which is still the La Liga record points total.

Jose managed against a much better Pep side than this Man City team, and beat him to a title. In his final full season with Manchester United Jose Mourinho finished 2nd, above us, and above Klopp's Liverpool. Since that season Man Utd have finished 6th, and are currently in 11th place.

When he won the title with Chelsea, it was the first time they had won the League in 50 years, and only the second time in their history. He also did it against one of the greatest managers in history.

All you're pointing out there is that Jose managed a team against Pep Guardiola and Sir Alex Ferguson, two managers who will be regarded as the greatest managers in the history of the game, and he beat them both.

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