The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Lighty64 · Nov 10, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
Hope you are well mate and look after yourself

looking after is 1 thing, definitely not well. it's a mare an illness that might get better if I change my whole diet, trouble is 1 diet clashes with the other diagnoses, and both diets mean eating stuff I don't like. average 2 bad days, and 1 nightmare day every week.

IamSpurtacus · Nov 10, 2019

Jamturk said:
This manager is by far the best we have had at this club in all of that 45 years....to see so called supporters of the club talking about Poch with such disrespect and haste has really started me questioning our supporter base....

Burkinshaw actually won things and I’d put him behind billy nic and above poch

But the serious criticism only really started this year and isn’t a knee jerk.

There’s been no significant negative reaction from the crowd yet. Certainly no planes with banners like other clubs.

He was given a free pass last season for obvious reasons but the slump has continued. Most criticism has been measured and based on the near year long decline. It’s clear he hasn’t arrested the issues that reared their head last season.

The players he wanted shipped out didn’t even play yesterday (bar aurier) yet we were still disjointed in defense and attack and looked vulnerable every time United brought the ball forward.

That’s not the first time we’ve been outplayed like that by an inferior squad, and ultimately that is on the manager.

danielneeds · Nov 10, 2019

TEESSIDE1 said:
we’ve had ITK to this effect... players wanting out will stay if Poch goes.

Let’s face it the ITK cannot get inside the mind of Eriksen, Toby and Jan or those of their agents, so it’s all guesswork. Looking at it logically, they’re all gonna get much bigger contracts on Bosmans than they’d get here, so I highly doubt they will resign whoever is the manager. It’s a last payday for the Belgians and Eriksen just wants to go.

Matrix · Nov 10, 2019

Graysonti said:
48 mate but prob same school year.

So tell me, you think this last year is acceptable ? The football, the results, the tactics, the gibberish, changing team game after game, the contradictory messages, the comments about leaving before the CL final ? Was that respectful ?

I agree comments on Poch being a great manager but when is enough is enough ? The bloke looks tired and worn out.

12th with these players ? Do me a favour.

I support THFC not any manager or player

This looks like it will be a Christian Gross type season and we will get Bale on loan to save us from the drop.... :sneaky:

Spurs_Bear · Nov 10, 2019

JollyHappy said:
Anyone know what has happened to Kyle Walker Peters? Poch's handling of him has been strange to say the least!

Yeah he’s not actually that good.

Ronwol196061 · Nov 10, 2019

Spurs_Bear said:
Yeah he’s not actually that good.

True but it's all relative
None of them are great but Foyth is probably the best we have right now and of course Poch didnt play him.Usual common sense by Poch.

Spurs_Bear · Nov 10, 2019

danielneeds said:
Let’s face it the ITK cannot get inside the mind of Eriksen, Toby and Jan or those of their agents, so it’s all guesswork. Looking at it logically, they’re all gonna get much bigger contracts on Bosmans than they’d get here, so I highly doubt they will resign whoever is the manager. It’s a last payday for the Belgians and Eriksen just wants to go.

Agreed, and to be honest even if the new “top coach” came in I’d car share with Toby and Eriksen just to drive them as far away from the club as possible.

Primativ · Nov 10, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
Mate we lost at home to Newcastle should of lost at home to Watford and yesterday none of which are top sides, this can't be explained away as tiredness or ageing side we are so predictable and flat lacking in guile and quick incisive play.

Let’s not forget we scraped past villa too. We could so easily be in the bottom three already.

Dean · Nov 10, 2019

spursfan1991 said:
Berba quote after yesterdays game. Looks like history repeating itself:

“When I reached the [European] final with Leverkusen in 2001, the next season we fight for relegation. We played badly. Dortmund reached the final with Klopp, the next season, they fight relegation. Spurs are the same – they have great players but they have no more excuses. The stadium is there and the training ground is there. Now they need to start producing.”

The first match I went to was 1979. The single most consistent aspect of all the Spurs teams I've seen is overconfidence / borderline disrespect for the opposition which is why we have not been serial winners. We think we are better than we are and we do not need to try and getting to a major European final has likely only fuelled that delusional belief within our players. We've seen that so much that year. Which is why we start at a snail's pace, concede goals or do not up the pace until the last 20 minutes. We need to snap out of that otherwise we'll go down. If Poch stays, he needs to wake the players up.

WiganSpur · Nov 10, 2019

cookiemonster said:
You seem to have a explaination for every shit performance

Brighton - Lloris injury Sheff Utd - they are well drilled Watford - we are tired after internationals Newcastle - defensive error Everton - red card and Gomes injury

Next one will be because WHam will be raising their game

Really getting tired of your excuses for the manager's incompetence

Pretty sure this is a troll account, easier to just ignore like I do

TwanYid · Nov 10, 2019

jeremystorey said:
Something has to change. As if we keep to this current path, then no one should delude themselves into thinking we are too good to get drawn into a relegation scrap. And lord knows, this crop of players don’t have the mettle to survive something like that. The majority of them have no fight in their belly. And also seem to lack belief in themselves, each other and the coach.

That's the problem- we actually won't get pulled into a relegation battle, but only because there are 3 teams that are more wretched than us. Instead, we'll comfortable finish 12th (after having gotten no one of note in January) and the word'll be "It was the painful rebuilding year he warned us about" followed by "Give him time to get it right with a summer to buy in and a season with no Europe to play in; then we'll reassess."

What we're in is purgatory.

Ronwol196061 · Nov 10, 2019

TwanYid said:
That's the problem- we actually won't get pulled into a relegation battle, but only because there are 3 teams that are more wretched than us. Instead, we'll comfortable finish 12th (after having gotten no one of note in January) and the word'll be "It was the painful rebuilding year he warned us about" followed by "Give him time to get it right with a summer to buy in and a season with no Europe to play in, then we'll assess."

What we're in is purgatory.

Have to now watch that flick....I hate the Beljans!

SirNiNyHotspur · Nov 10, 2019

In May 2018 poch said we needed to be brave, we need a different project, we know what happened that summer! Asked for more , got crap all! Poch talked at the start of that season things didn’t feel good even when we were winning. People want to harp on about how poor we’ve been 2019 but really all that season the signs were there earlier, Pochs attitude changed then and that’s when our decline began. Poch had challenged Levy and he failed miserably. Add to that this summer where he was left with the deadwood (his fault of course) nothing to do with no-one paying Levy prices and again signings brought in last minute when Poch had said about importance of bringing in earlier. With Poch we have a coach on par with Klopp, he was up for the same award iirc, we were ahead of Liverpool a couple of years ago, one manager was backed to achieve and has won the CL and on verge of adding league. People are in fairy land if they think changing the manager all of a sudden our 20 year barren spell will end, the top is where change is needed either in personnel or ambition.

Trees · Nov 10, 2019

You lot need to wake up. If we don’t sort this we could go down. No sentiment. Poch has to go. Not knee jerk. 40 + years of suffering.

Graysonti · Nov 10, 2019

SirNiNyHotspur said:
In May 2018 poch said we needed to be brave, we need a different project, we know what happened that summer! Asked for more , got crap all! Poch talked at the start of that season things didn’t feel good even when we were winning. People want to harp on about how poor we’ve been 2019 but really all that season the signs were there earlier, Pochs attitude changed then and that’s when our decline began. Poch had challenged Levy and he failed miserably. Add to that this summer where he was left with the deadwood (his fault of course) nothing to do with no-one paying Levy prices and again signings brought in last minute when Poch had said about importance of bringing in earlier. With Poch we have a coach on par with Klopp, he was up for the same award iirc, we were ahead of Liverpool a couple of years ago, one manager was backed to achieve and has won the CL and on verge of adding league. People are in fairy land if they think changing the manager all of a sudden our 20 year barren spell will end, the top is where change is needed either in personnel or ambition.

look at my post history - I’m no Levy\ENIC lover

But how can this be anyone other than Poch.

And fans have been patient - for a year.

How can this team not beat Colchester? I reckon I could get a draw with these players.

We are not asking to sack him cos we a fourth an expect him unrealistically to win the league - we are 14th with a year of this ? When is it unacceptable ffs? he is paid to push us forward.

NickHSpurs · Nov 10, 2019

The 38 league games we played in the calendar year of 2018, we returned 85 points. 3 less than Liverpool and City. 30 games into 2019 calendar year and we’re on 40 points! That’s a dramatic drop off in one year.

We’re sitting 14th in the league after 12 games, 6 points off the relegation zone and 11 points off the top four.

We’re way past a “blip” now and I’m losing interest in this “project”. I’ve had my season ticket since 2006 and this is the possibly the hardest I’ve found it going to watch us, it’s really starting to feel like a chore.

It’s been an amazing ride with Poch but the bottom line is we still haven’t won anything despite the amazing squad we had. We have to be realistic and say if he couldn’t win with what we had the evidence is now pointing towards the fact he won’t in future either.

SirNiNyHotspur · Nov 10, 2019

Graysonti said:
look at my post history - I’m no Levy\ENIC lover

But how can this be anyone other than Poch.

And fans have been patient - for a year.

How can this team not beat Colchester? I reckon I could get a draw with these players.

We are not asking to sack him cos we a fourth an expect him unrealistically to win the league - we are 14th with a year of this ? When is it unacceptable ffs? he is paid to push us forward.

I agree Poch is underperforming, but his and our decline stemmed from the top.

Stamford · Nov 10, 2019

SirNiNyHotspur said:
In May 2018 poch said we needed to be brave, we need a different project, we know what happened that summer! Asked for more , got crap all! Poch talked at the start of that season things didn’t feel good even when we were winning. People want to harp on about how poor we’ve been 2019 but really all that season the signs were there earlier, Pochs attitude changed then and that’s when our decline began. Poch had challenged Levy and he failed miserably. Add to that this summer where he was left with the deadwood (his fault of course) nothing to do with no-one paying Levy prices and again signings brought in last minute when Poch had said about importance of bringing in earlier. With Poch we have a coach on par with Klopp, he was up for the same award iirc, we were ahead of Liverpool a couple of years ago, one manager was backed to achieve and has won the CL and on verge of adding league. People are in fairy land if they think changing the manager all of a sudden our 20 year barren spell will end, the top is where change is needed either in personnel or ambition.

Poch is not even close to Klopp

wrd · Nov 10, 2019

JJ been giving his opinion on twitter last 24 hours, not sure if posted but here you go:

StevieD wrote this in response to this: https://t.co/wbpMKoYff5?amp=1 AG article:

I agree with so much here. What your piece does point too for me is the problems brought upon by Levy. He's been amazing for Spurs but I hope he recognises how hamstrung Poch has been. Poch isn't blameless but it is nowhere near a level of blame that should put his job at risk.

To which JJ responded:
The original JJetset
@jetsetyid

Absolutely this !!! -

The Dan Cole posted:
I love Poch but sadly it’s time for him to go........ this club has slowly gone backwards the moment we convinced ourselves we could become the first team in Europe not to strengthen our squad for 18 months. We f*cked the “project” & have declined ever since

To which JJ responded:
The original JJetset
Normally I don’t reply however Not football but business When a normal project fails due to changing scope/time overrun or lack of funds why do the exec fire the PM & bring in a new one & it fails again ? The PM is just steering the project & not the real reason for the failure! -

Another posted posted this:
DJ THFC
not asking you to explain the situation this is just football talk but please Poch has not changed anything tactically since our awful slum (10 months) how is this on anyone else?

And JJ replied:
The original JJetset

@jetsetyid

Replying to
@danieljohn4
Some of the current squad players are shot -

This finally JJ Replied to Dan Cole who asked what the plan was going forward with this:
Hope that the players we tried to offload in the summer get offloaded in Jan, hope that the new players start more regularly adapt quickly & play more & bring in new faces in Jan.Also hope we go on a run which adds to the lads confidence as we can’t change our style currently -

Graysonti · Nov 10, 2019

SirNiNyHotspur said:
I agree Poch is underperforming, but his and our decline stemmed from the top.

But they got us there and spent £100m plus in the summer

I honestly think in the modern game any manager has got a maximum five years.

Do I love a Poch ? Damn right I do - a part of me will always love what he has done and especially when we needed it during stadium construction - cult status guaranteed.

But do I feel sorry for him ? No - the bloke is paid £8.5m for results - I will feel sorry for our nurses that break their back on 40 hour weeks for £30k a year. Poch knows the game

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