Jose Mourinho

talkshowhost86 said:

I'm partially excited because I do think a change was needed, and as much as we should all love Poch for everything he achieved, it was clear something wasn't going right and it didn't look like he was capable of turning it around.

However we've appointed a manager who, whilst undeniably successful in past jobs, has achieved that success largely through spending an inordinate amount of money.

As a club we do not have a history of spending an inordinate amount of money.

For me these two things don't go hand in hand and that's what worries me greatly.

If Mourinho continues his normal approach, and Levy continues his, then I cannot see any situation where this is a success. But I suppose we'll have a better understanding of that come the end of January.

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There must be a twist that we’re not privy to - levy will give cash? Or, Mourinho is keen to prove his haters wrong by adapting our squad with one or two improvements and bringing through youngsters; much against his previous tactics, but inline with his ‘two fingers up to the world’ approach. Currently I’m far from a fan of his and have enjoyed his demise at Chelsea and mancs; however, he’s with us now and I will have to learn to like him as a part of the club. It’s interesting how many can hate on levy and love spurs, but a hate of the manager and a love of spurs is a bigger hurdle to overcome. Kinda looking forward to the refresh

stov said:

Winning is not everything. Remember 1-0 to the arsenal? I support spurs because of the attacking football philosophy and the identity. If winning was so important we would have all started supporting manure years ago.

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Well that’s the attitude you need to change mate and it’s no wonder this club are such failures when you have supporters like yourself who don’t believe in silverware. You would rather play scintillating football, finish 5th than play ok football, but win a shit load of trophies ? Don’t give me that crap mate. The Tottenham “way” is so overrated. The only way I know is Spurs losing in semi finals and finals all the time. Finally we have a manager to stop that.

nasescoba1985 said:

Well that’s the attitude you need to change mate and it’s no wonder this club are such failures when you have supporters like yourself who don’t believe in silverware. You would rather play scintillating football, finish 5th than play ok football, but win a shit load of trophies ? Don’t give me that crap mate. The Tottenham “way” is so overrated. The only way I know is Spurs losing in semi finals and finals all the time. Finally we have a manager to stop that.

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Cheers for the reasoned debate. I'll take my crap elsewhere

It’s been said already but the media exposure is phenomenal. The Guardian alone is currently running about 5 pieces.

Mind you, the bulk of their articles are portraying José as a deranged white male incel and make flaky arguments that the cast of the rebooted GhostBusters-in the spirit of diversity- manage us

vicbob said:

problem is we haven’t had attacking football for over a year now, we have been pretty horrible to watch for ages, so at the worst we are likely to be winning more games and still being bored, at best, well who knows, but I’m certainly ready to find out.

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Agree with this. Scrapping a draw against Sheffield Utd and having no ideas was a prime example!

I’ve just watched the whole press conference.

He said everything I think we could have wanted him to say. Word for word the perfect press conference. Let’s see how it all materialises.

luRRka said:

Would be pretty shit going the season unbeaten

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Was talking about Graham arsenal

nasescoba1985 said:

Exactly. I’m honestly fed up of Spurs supporters and their bullshit about “The Tottenham way” . What Tottenham way? The way that has got us 0 trophies in 20 years, whilst our big rivals like Chelsea etc are winning stuff left, right and centre. I’m honestly fed up of it. We finally have a serial winner in charge who hates losing and won’t accept failure.

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Actually, the Tottenham way is to win and play beautiful football. The architect of our club's culture was pretty clear about having to have both.

“If you don’t win anything, you have had a bad season.”
“Spurs have got to be the best in the land, not the second best.”
“It’s no use just winning, we’ve got to win well.”

So if you compromise on either, you aren't living up to the club's standards.

I’m wondering whether the ‘Tottenham way’ is just a (footballing) cultural hangover from dizzying days of the 60’s; much in the same manner that England are supported à la ‘66. Maybe there’s now a time to stand back and reassess the ‘spursy’ way - maybe, it’s our turn to be up there in the spotlight and spoken about in the same terms as Liverpool, MAncs etc?

stov said:

Winning is not everything. Remember 1-0 to the arsenal? I support spurs because of the attacking football philosophy and the identity. If winning was so important we would have all started supporting manure years ago.

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I think we all have a feeling that we should win something soon. The club has taken major steps last 10 years, we have challenged both in the league and CL.
Ten second placed doesnt taste as good. Thats a fact.
If Jose can get us back to playing good footbal and winning games....and maybe get us a thropy or two...ill be happy

soflapaul said:

Actually, the Tottenham way is to win and play beautiful football. The architect of our club's culture was pretty clear about having to have both.

“If you don’t win anything, you have had a bad season.”
“Spurs have got to be the best in the land, not the second best.”
“It’s no use just winning, we’ve got to win well.”

So if you compromise on either, you aren't living up to the club's standards.

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but when you are losing/drawing most games you have to start with not losing, not conceding, and then build on attractive free flowing football from there. His first task is to sure us up at the back to stop conceding first or straight after we score.

edgey said:

but when you are losing/drawing most games you have to start with not losing, not conceding, and then build on attractive free flowing football from there. His first task is to sure us up at the back to stop conceding first or straight after we score.

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absolutely correct. if you don't have the results, the attractive football doesn't matter. but if the entire season becomes 1-0 grind it out wins, that isn't living up to the standard either. So, the benchmark is wins and attractive football. we had that early with Poch and had neither at the end.

riggi said:

I’ve just watched the whole press conference.

He said everything I think we could have wanted him to say. Word for word the perfect press conference. Let’s see how it all materialises.

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You can tell some of the journalists were just trying to antagonize him about his past, and he handled it very well.

Spurus said:

You can tell some of the journalists were just trying to antagonize him about his past, and he handled it very well.

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100%. He addressed the “mr Chelsea” stuff very well.

I can recall the time just before we appointed poch and there was discussion about other managers etc. I wasn’t sure and/or convinced by any of the names - Thinktank (I seem to recall) posted a guardian article about the poch way, and it tipped me into ‘I’m convinced/excited’ viewpoint. That’s where I’m sitting now: just about to read the guardian article.... won’t deny I’m looking forward to the game this weekend

The two things we don't really know the answers to will only properly come to light during the Summer of 2020.

Over the last two days which we have had the time to get our heads around this appointment, when we're all wondering how it is going to go pan out. The two elephants in the room for me are these.
1. We have heard JM say that he is "happy" with the current squad we have, and when he said this, he was clearly attempting to deal with many people's concerns about the issue of how much money he is going need and how "sensitive" and difficult an issue that is perceived to be by many when we go by his record in the past of what we think he perceives an acceptable transfer budget is and what we perceive that DL thinks is an acceptable budget. We would all be lying if we didn't have concerns that these two figures were some way apart. So in my opinion, JM, and DL are parking this issue for the time being, because JM was clearly giving and answer based on who we currently have in our squad, i.e. a squad that includes, Verts, Toby, Rose, and Eriksen, if none of them sign new contracts and they leave in the summer what will his view be then, does he think we need reinforcements then ? Aside from this will he also reserve the right to reconsider his view on whether we are well stocked with RB's of good quality, I for one wouldn't blame him if he did ?
2. He has also said that he has been been given assurances by DL that "sufficient funds" will be made available should the need arise. How do we really know that they are really on the same page as to what they both really mean by sufficient funds, as we all know they could be poles apart in what they think that definition is ? JM has also said that he is serious about us challenging for the PL title in season 2020/21, not top four or three, the title ! I don't think that there are any of us that seriously think we won't need to buy in some key players to get to be in with a chance of that, as much as we have a crop of young players in the academy and on the fringes, that still won't be enough.

That in my view is when the true test is going to come, in the summer window and that is when we are really going to find out if there really is a meeting of minds between DL, and JM, because that is when we are going to know exactly what we have left in terms of players who can make a serious push for the title in 2020/21 as JM alludes to. Then we are really going to find out if he is as humble as he says he is. If you factor in the very real possibility that we won't make up the current deficit to get in top 4 or qualify via the other route of winning the Champions League, or deliberately failing to get to the knock out stages and winning the Europa League. That is surely going to effect what kind of money and calibre of player we can recruit in the summer window.

My view is wait and see and only time will tell, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have my doubts and concerns. As big a name as he is, and I will be the first to admit that I've never been his biggest fan, if we make the knockout stages of the CL but fail to qualify for the CL by either catching up with the current top 4 or winning the CL even I don't think that would be fair to pin that on JM. The cards we will be left with if that happens will have some bearing on the unresolved issues in 1 and 2 above.

Spurus said:

You can tell some of the journalists were just trying to antagonize him about his past, and he handled it very well.

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Yeah they clearly wanted some tasty headlines but he remained very calm and composed. Constantly saying "this is not about me, this is about my club".

Got to be honest I cannot find a fault with his interview, can see how charismatic he is and why it rubs off on players so much. Not to dig at Poch but I have been so disillusioned lately that it is so refreshing to listen to a press conference with excitement.

daveduvet said:

I can recall the time just before we appointed poch and there was discussion about other managers etc. I wasn’t sure and/or convinced by any of the names - Thinktank (I seem to recall) posted a guardian article about the poch way, and it tipped me into ‘I’m convinced/excited’ viewpoint. That’s where I’m sitting now: just about to read the guardian article.... won’t deny I’m looking forward to the game this weekend

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I remember many being gutted we didnt get De Boar. Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course. I was excited about Poch and what he could do for our young players development, and now I'm excited by the prospect of what Jose can do with those developed players and turn them into winners

JerryGarcia said:

Lets give this winning malarkey a go though shall we? We can always go back to not winning in a few years if we don't like it.

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They are not mutually exclusive though are they. You can have good football and win stuff.