Dean
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He didn't kill himself. He had a heart attack on the shitter.So just before he killed himself then?
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Guernman
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The narrative that Klopp and Guardiola have taken management to another level compared to anything Jose achieved I find rather weak. Sure, make the case for Guardiola, but until the CL final Klopp was a serial loser at the last hurdle. And let's face it, Liverpool were shit that night too and completely there for the taking. If we hadn't also been shit, and if Sissoko hadn't taken a mad moment to marshall in an imaginary Airbus 320, we would have ensured Klopp's losing streak continued. Perhaps Pool will now go on to win many trophies as is the way with such things, but Klopp is still a long way away from demonstrating the sort of winners aura that Mourinho has cultivated. I'm still pissed off that we lost that FA Cup semi-final to United when ours was the far better team, but you just knew it was going to happen. And as much as I am still a Poch fan, and still think he should have been given more time, if Mourinho had taken over three weeks before that CL final I can't help feeling Klopp would right now be burdened with a serious losers complex...
Gb160
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He effectively ate himself into a heart attack, so in a way he did.
danielneeds
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I’ve heard a lot of journalists taking about Klopp’s football being super-modern, and cutting edge, but whenever I watch Liverpool they seem very old-fashioned in the sense that a lot of their strengths come from their energy, physicality and getting in your face. Then the pattern of play is increasing just get it wide for the fullbacks to cross it. I mean, the front three change positions a bit, but that’s nothing that teams weren’t doing 40 or 50 years ago.
rossdapep
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It's this dismissive attitide from outsiders that will bring Mourinho and the players together.
Hell be telling them "See what they're saying about us?! Let's show them who we really are!"
Dier will be giving interviews like his infamous one.
rossdapep
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I thought Klopps Dortmund and the Liverpool of 2 years ago were more exciting.
I think Klopp reigned it in when he realised his defence was too open and his high press only lasted 60 mins. If I recall they'd constantly lose late goals.
When I watch them now I don't see a relentless all out pressing team, sometimes they retreat to a midpress or even a low block.
Klopp's found the balance now and put some of the exciting play to the side.
Liverpool are in top at the moment and the favoured team but like all great teams there's a moment when someone figures out how to beat them and find their weaknesses.
It aint Pep. I hope it's Jose.
Reece_Spurs
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I never liked Jose or his style of play, but i'll tell you why he will win us something.
I said this in the summer when the Bale talk was happening. I said, signing Bale will be a big statement. It will make the current players stand up and think "Fuck we are a big club" Obviously that never happened.
I loved Poch and always will.
Jose Mourinho wins shit. Love him or hate him, he fucking wins shit. Having someone like him walking onto the training ground for a player is the same as signing a superstar like Bale, players will look up and think "Fuck, maybe we are good?" All the issues with self confidence many players might be going through will be instantly gone.
Maybe this is the confidence boost and shake up we have needed for the last year. Love him or hate him, there's no one better.
I said this in the summer when the Bale talk was happening. I said, signing Bale will be a big statement. It will make the current players stand up and think "Fuck we are a big club" Obviously that never happened.
I loved Poch and always will.
Jose Mourinho wins shit. Love him or hate him, he fucking wins shit. Having someone like him walking onto the training ground for a player is the same as signing a superstar like Bale, players will look up and think "Fuck, maybe we are good?" All the issues with self confidence many players might be going through will be instantly gone.
Maybe this is the confidence boost and shake up we have needed for the last year. Love him or hate him, there's no one better.
I have a question/hypothetical regarding the Jose appointment and funds issue.
Somewhere along the line yesterday I read a few posts about how Joe Lewis was very much wanting us to sign Mourinho. The same Joe Lewis who AFAIK (which is admittedly not a lot) keeps himself and his money away from Tottenham as much as possible. Levy is the man who runs this club at the behest of Lewis, but Lewis (again from what I've read in the past) doesn't get involved in an investment sense unless Levy asks directly as this will affect Levy's pay cheque.
Jose is not cheap, his wages are huge, greater than every manager's bar Pep (correct me if I'm wrong). Such a thing coupled with buying out the coaches from Lille will have cost a lot, more than what we would expect Levy to have normally sanctioned. This type of spending seems out of character, like a teacher who is suddenly buying up properties left right and centre, there has to be a source for this new found wealth and spending pattern.
This brings me to my hypothetical. Has Uncle Joe put his hand in his pocket? If so, has that been at the request of Levy or because the man has suddenly decided he wants to throw some cash around? If we do spend significant money over the next 8 months, I'd have trouble understanding how we are coming by it.
Somewhere along the line yesterday I read a few posts about how Joe Lewis was very much wanting us to sign Mourinho. The same Joe Lewis who AFAIK (which is admittedly not a lot) keeps himself and his money away from Tottenham as much as possible. Levy is the man who runs this club at the behest of Lewis, but Lewis (again from what I've read in the past) doesn't get involved in an investment sense unless Levy asks directly as this will affect Levy's pay cheque.
Jose is not cheap, his wages are huge, greater than every manager's bar Pep (correct me if I'm wrong). Such a thing coupled with buying out the coaches from Lille will have cost a lot, more than what we would expect Levy to have normally sanctioned. This type of spending seems out of character, like a teacher who is suddenly buying up properties left right and centre, there has to be a source for this new found wealth and spending pattern.
This brings me to my hypothetical. Has Uncle Joe put his hand in his pocket? If so, has that been at the request of Levy or because the man has suddenly decided he wants to throw some cash around? If we do spend significant money over the next 8 months, I'd have trouble understanding how we are coming by it.
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And the thing is, you expect José to do exactly that, and be clever enough to realise that that’s the best way forward. He might be stubborn, but he’s obviously an extremely intelligent coach.
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anydange
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Excellent post. Nailed it.
danielneeds
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They’re undoubtedly a great side at the moment, almost in perfect balance between attack, physicality and defence. My point was just that coaching-wise, apart from obvious cutting edge sports science and I don’t see a great difference in the way they move the ball to a lot of teams in the past.
Pellshek
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Just did a quick search for my opinions about Jose over the years.
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ljinko888
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But then Klopp might reinvent them again. That's how Ferguson dominated the scene for twenty years because he was always one step ahead in his thinking. Similarly Pep will probably reinvent Man City because he'll have the chequebook to do so. Think about this --- in 2017/18 and 2018/19 Man City only dropped 31 points out of 228 points. They became the first English team ever in over 120 years of top flight football to make 100 points and fell just three short of doing it again the very next year.
Last season both City and Liverpool won every game in the run in. There was no tantalising twist and turn of momentum. In the end City's one point advantage they held for months held strong. To beat these two teams so long as these managers are there we cannot just beat them in a one off game. We have to match their results week by week by week.
Dr Know
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I’m quite sure this was an attempt at humour but try something else mate. Poch deserves more respect than any other manager that’s been at the club since I’ve been a fan. Ok, Poch did not get us a trophy but what that man did for us the last 5 years is the foundation to win trophies. I just hope the we the fans, the players and the club never forget that.
Even José felt the need to pay his respects to the man and he’s only been here for 2 days. We’ve been here for the last 5 years (with Poch) and should always show the same respect and gratitude to that man and his staff ?
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Wow we both make about the same amount of money!
I mean ok it takes me 365 days to make that much whereas for him it takes 24 hours but still- we're at least somewhat similar...
Incredible- I never thought that he and I would be roughly in the same league salary-wise, but there you are.
Shadydan
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Nothing worse than attacking someone indirectly then giving out shit advice which totally contradicts your original statement.
Don't reply unless you have something meaningful to say, thanks.
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