Jose Mourinho

Sandros Shiny Head · Nov 24, 2019

SirHarryHotspur said:
So in the pre match stuff yesterday on BT Sport a couple of journalists at the stadium ( The Taxpayers Stadium ) were interviewed about the appointment of Jose, can't remember his name but one said Jose was a complete failure at Man Utd, so winning a League Cup and Europa League is considered a failure , some people are never satisfied.

Oliver Holt, he’s written a shit article having a go at his every fibre. Would probably accuse him of the global warming if he could get away with it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7718645/

Jose Mourinho is soiled goods. He is the remainders section in the second hand store. He is a few buttons short of an expensive jacket. He is the manager who is so desperate to camouflage his decline he has started counting the Community Shield as a major trophy. He is the guy who spends hundreds of millions to win you the FA Cup.

RikkiRocket · Nov 24, 2019

Gilzeanking said:
True . What I find interesting is that Kane has not been battering anybody for almost a year up to yesterday . I would speculate
from this small piece of evidence that yes , there was a prob between Poch and Kane that led to Kane's drop off of effort ....and now we have our competitive Kane back which ,if true, would be bloody marvellous .

Doesn’t that say something else tho, about Kane. If he doesn’t like it he sulks / goes moaning to Levy?

someone told me the other day (this person is incredibly senior at another PL club) that Kane got the right hump when it looked like Dybala was on the way in.

Seafordian Spurs · Nov 24, 2019

Apparently Jose threw down his notepad and applauded after Dele's bum heroics.

He also did a knee slide and was involved in time wasting at the end apparently.

Any photographic/video evidence appreciated ???

Shadydan · Nov 24, 2019

rossdapep said:
I'm almost certain its this.

Sissoko complained about not being able to do certain things and that it was exhausting.

Ndombele was gassing after 60 mins.

And players were just generally not pressing anywhere on the pitch.

That Sheffield United goal is a prime example. They're not pressing cause they didn't want to, it's cause they couldn't!

The 'weird' fitness guy (Verheijen) warned us about 3 years ago. He said both Klopp and Poch's methods would not last because players will fatigue.

Klopp adapted, due to his experience at Dortmund, whereas Poch stubbornly carried on. I imagine if he'd adapted, he'd still be here as the players would have gone with him.

Can you imagine being Harry Kane and hearing new players constantly been told that they are not ready yet. Then 3 months down the line they only start making the first 11.

If Poch is to be successful in this game he needs to adapt his methods. If he continues to be stubborn then he'll always hit a barrier wherever he goes.

So how have they gone from not pressing/closing down against Sheff Utd to doing the total opposite against West Ham in the space of 2 weeks?

They were not physically tired under Poch they were mentally tired, the tiredness was all in the head, we saw that when Kane played for England last week he was pressing and closing down.

There's no science to it really players just couldn't be arsed because they stopped responding to the manager, the belief had gone and were just going through the motions, now we're seeing a new manager bounce, players are trying to impress and the desire has come back.

rossdapep · Nov 24, 2019

RikkiRocket said:
Doesn’t that say something else tho, about Kane. If he doesn’t like it he sulks / goes moaning to Levy?

someone told me the other day (this person is incredibly senior at another PL club) that Kane got the right hump when it looked like Dybala was on the way in.

Maybe he felt like Poch was trying to replace him as he has been/was doing with a lot of our high performers?

I can't imagine Kane sulking though. But I can imagine him demanding standards and starting to be at odds with Poch. Just like us, Harry is a fan of the club, so when Poch was giving mixed messages and then saying this team needs rebuilding, we were all like "He's saying we need to wait another five years?!" - Kane would have been thinking the same and certainly wouldn't have been happy about it.

thelak · Nov 24, 2019

Primativ said:
It wasn’t down to injuries that players stopped performing. Kane hasn’t been injured this season but yesterday was the first time we saw him play like the real Kane since Liverpool 4 - 1 at Wembley.

Alli has had injuries but again he’s been dog shit under Poch for two years, way before and after any injuries, yesterday he was MOM pretty much.

The reason Alderweireld got itchy feet is because of Poch by the way, you know that right?

Not only did the players stop trying for Poch, some were actively looking to leave because of him.

The player simply stopped responding to Poch, lost their faith in him and his tactics, and no longer believed he was the best man to lead us to success.

Please don’t blame injuries, and key players wanting out wasn’t an unfortunate problem that he faced not of his making, it was directly caused by him.

This is a very simple story many are putting out but it’s a slightly circular argument as Poch lost faith in some of the squad too but wasn’t allowed to refresh it properly or make the signings he wanted

basically Mourinho in right now could be the easiest way to “refresh” with what we have vs Poch wanting to turn the players over to refresh things

but all what has happened at Spurs just shows the experiment of the same squad and manager for 5 years simply doesn’t work

rossdapep · Nov 24, 2019

Shadydan said:
So how have they gone from not pressing/closing down against Sheff Utd to doing the total opposite against West Ham in the space of 2 weeks?

They were not physically tired under Poch they were mentally tired, the tiredness was all in the head, we saw that when Kane played for England last week he was pressing and closing down.

There's no science to it really players just couldn't be arsed because they stopped responding to the manager, the belief had gone and were just going through the motions, now we're seeing a new manager bounce, players are trying to impress and the desire has come back.

That's true and the desire was certainly back yesterday. But the two can be linked.

Doing the same sessions over and over can be mentally draining which has an effect on the physical side. The body feels heavier, it's harder to push, etc. That can cause injuries and a lack of motivation, not because the player doesn't want it but because he's finding it hard inside to locate it. It's why we've had so many injuries this last 2 years.

I wouldnt be surprised if it's broken Wanyama and caused Dembeles fitness-wise regression.

So Mourinho comes in, does some new exercises and that weight gets lifted, so the energy returns. Like you say, they're not unfit but they have been unfit for Poch's requirements because they're also dealing with the weight and baggage that comes from doing something the same for so long.

Mourinho will train them hard but I doubt he'll push them, like Poch did. He'll know when to relax and reward them.

I'm seeing it with players I'm coaching at the moment, they've been used to being fit and pushed hard and coped very well with that. Now, were pushing them just as hard but things aren't going well and you can see they are tired mentally and physically and we are picking up stupid injuries.

RikkiRocket · Nov 24, 2019

rossdapep said:
Maybe he felt like Poch was trying to replace him as he has been/was doing with a lot of our high performers?

I can't imagine Kane sulking though. But I can imagine him demanding standards and starting to be at odds with Poch. Just like us, Harry is a fan of the club, so when Poch was giving mixed messages and then saying this team needs rebuilding, we were all like "He's saying we need to wait another five years?!" - Kane would have been thinking the same and certainly wouldn't have been happy about it.

If Poch wanted a replacement / help in that position, isn’t Poch putting the club 1st? Haven’t we all moaned about no plan b / if kane is injured?

if Harry is such a super fan, surely he could see that-it gives us other options? no?

playing devils advocate a bit here, Kane cares about Kane, nothing wrong with that, but let’s not pretend he’s some angel especially if the ITK is to be believed re senior players moaning about Poch. Kane has the most to lose by us signing another decent striker. Simples.

BringBack_leGin · Nov 24, 2019

Yesterday, Dele attempted the most tackles 6 winning 4. Then Lucas 5 winning 3, with Kane and Son each attempting 3 and winning 2.

No defender or midfielder attempted more than 2 tackles.

Dirtysanchez6 · Nov 24, 2019

SirHarryHotspur said:
So in the pre match stuff yesterday on BT Sport a couple of journalists at the stadium ( The Taxpayers Stadium ) were interviewed about the appointment of Jose, can't remember his name but one said Jose was a complete failure at Man Utd, so winning a League Cup and Europa League is considered a failure , some people are never satisfied.

Seen one united fan say he was surprised Jose even got a job as good as spurs lol they won 2 trophies came second and got to an fa cup final the united fans are bitter

bubble07 · Nov 24, 2019

richard_gleeson said:
Sanchez played well today apart from the goal

But that sums him up perfectly which is a problem

bubble07 · Nov 24, 2019

fishhhandaricecake said:
Caught in 2 minds wasn’t he

Or no mind

bubble07 · Nov 24, 2019

lennon180 said:
Just out of interest, whats the most Moura has played consecutively?

I would guess at 3 max

bubble07 · Nov 24, 2019

Gilzeanking said:
True . What I find interesting is that Kane has not been battering anybody for almost a year up to yesterday . I would speculate
from this small piece of evidence that yes , there was a prob between Poch and Kane that led to Kane's drop off of effort ....and now we have our competitive Kane back which ,if true, would be bloody marvellous .

If kane deliberately dropped trying then he isnt the man we like to think he is

BringBack_leGin · Nov 24, 2019

bubble07 said:
If kane deliberately dropped trying then he isnt the man we like to think he is

I don’t think anybody is suggesting that, but ultimately there’s a reason why managers who can motivate these players are so highly coveted, and it’s entirely possible that Pochettino no longer motivated Kane with no deliberate failure to deliver on Kane’s part.

Gilzeanking · Nov 24, 2019

bubble07 said:
If kane deliberately dropped trying then he isnt the man we like to think he is

True , its a poisonous speculation that people can feel free to ignore if they choose . The 'backup' to this speculation being the ITK that
an 'irreplaceable' player was anti Poch . It was close to this ITK that Poch went , it would affect Levy if he heard this I imagine . Dunno.

Anyway , water under the bridge , if we've got killer Kane version back then sky's the limit imo (y)

WiganSpur · Nov 24, 2019

Yiddo100 said:
It’s not even if we concede from it, it’s when we are playing round the back knowing Lloris can it pass, he then smashes the ball out of play which then gets the opposition crowd up

Yeah Lloris is a really panicky keeper usually and it gets the opposition up and makes us more nervous. I always find it's those small details that can make a difference. This is actually what Mourinho alluded to in his first press conference.

We might see a better Hugo if we play to his strengths more. Defend a bit wider to invite more through and long balls for him to sweep up instead of crosses, and kick it longer to Kane to avoid mistakes from the back.

Gilzeanking · Nov 24, 2019

BringBack_leGin said:
I don’t think anybody is suggesting that, but ultimately there’s a reason why managers who can motivate these players are so highly coveted, and it’s entirely possible that Pochettino no longer motivated Kane with no deliberate failure to deliver on Kane’s part.

I remember a fierce recent Poch rebuttal of the entire motivation concept . He clearly stated that it isn't the manager's job to motivate the players , they find it inside he said . He was presumably addressing the feeling abroad that he wasn't motivating the players sufficiently .

BringBack_leGin · Nov 24, 2019

Gilzeanking said:
I remember a fierce recent Poch rebuttal of the entire motivation concept . He clearly stated that it isn't the manager's job to motivate the players , they find it inside he said . He was presumably addressing the feeling abroad that he wasn't motivating the players sufficiently .

If he genuinely believed that then it’s no wonder the wheels came off.

ljinko888 · Nov 24, 2019

Gilzeanking said:
I remember a fierce recent Poch rebuttal of the entire motivation concept . He clearly stated that it isn't the manager's job to motivate the players , they find it inside he said . He was presumably addressing the feeling abroad that he wasn't motivating the players sufficiently .

The thing with Kane that muddies the water is that he got indulged. Do you remember the game vs Huddersfield three days before the Juventus second leg? Sonny was on a hattrick yet got subbed with around 25 minutes to go but Kane played the full game. That was the first time I've seen Sonny show some petulance as he took to the bench. The FA Cup SF vs Utd when he came back from injury. We battered Chelsea away with Son, Dele and Lamela up front just a week before. Kane rarely plays well when he comes straight back from injury. He may score a goal but his mobility takes time to get up to speed. Kane plays the full game of every game when he was remotely fit.

Then there was the whole "claiming a goal" bollocks which if it was another club's star player we'd be pissing ourselves.

And lastly of course the selection for the Champions League Final.

I think some players might have looked at the favouritism and felt a bit of a hump.

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