Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

SpursTillIDie1882 · Dec 27, 2019

I can see both sides JM wanting total commitment to the team and show your desire to fight for them team, on Tanguy I can understand due to him constantly picking up these annoying small issues. TN should probably take a leaf out of lamelas book and say he could play but maybe not the full 90 mins which again seems fair

rsmith · Dec 27, 2019

My only issue with what Jose said is wrt to the encouragement it gives to opposition managers. If Newdembele is now flagged as being afraid of injuries, I’d be landing a couple of big hits early doors.

LeParisien · Dec 27, 2019

You’re all ****s. You told me all we had to do is spend big cash and we’d be easy. Fuck all of you

Flashspur · Dec 27, 2019

On the sauce?

LeParisien · Dec 27, 2019

Flashspur said:
On the sauce?

Not even. I am now though ?

Locotoro · Dec 27, 2019

Do people not remember when Poch openly came out and said Winks was afraid of going into tackles because of his previous injury but he basically needed to man up. He was lauded when winks managed to overcome his fears.

How is this different?

The Legend of Tanguy · Dec 27, 2019

Feel like it's not been said enough that Tanguy has a 6-year contract and is on par with our top earners. As in most well-run businesses (the way Levy operates Spurs), if a large investment is made in an asset, especially human capital, the company will do everything it can to make sure that investment pays off. Sure, if the investment has been given time to mature and still hasn't produced as expected, it's reasonable to sell the asset for a loss and move on. If you think that the club would stand by and let their largest player investment in club history go to waste without exhausting every resource to help him succeed, I think you're just failing to understand the bigger picture. I think the main argument being: "Jose had feuds with 4 players over the past decade, so Ndombele is finished because he's doesn't think he's got the mentality." is so lazy... The guy was literally praising him last week saying he's got every skill you need at every midfield position to succeed, but just needs time to adapt FFS.

Vincent30 · Dec 27, 2019

The Legend of Tanguy said:
Feel like it's not been said enough that Tanguy has a 6-year contract and is on par with our top earners. As in most well-run businesses (the way Levy operates Spurs), if a large investment is made in an asset, especially human capital, the company will do everything it can to make sure that investment pays off. Sure, if the investment has been given time to mature and still hasn't produced as expected, it's reasonable to sell the asset for a loss and move on. If you think that the club would stand by and let their largest player investment in club history go to waste without exhausting every resource to help him succeed, I think you're just failing to understand the bigger picture. I think the main argument being: "Jose had feuds with 4 players over the past decade, so Ndombele is finished because he's doesn't think he's got the mentality." is so lazy... The guy was literally praising him last week saying he's got every skill you need at every midfield position to succeed, but just needs time to adapt FFS.

I don't see any issue with what's gone on, Jose is potentially protecting himself saying what he did yesterday as all the fans are like 'where is Ndombele, why isn't he playing', plus he's giving him a nudge to step up and help the team out. If Ndombele gets all upset over this and completely goes within himself, then he isn't the player for us and not the player i want at this club regardless of his ability. You've had 6 months here now, yes, you've had some injuries which haven't helped, but the opportunity to be one of the best CM in the best league in the world is staring him in the face.

He either takes it, or he gives up and if he does, that's on him. No one else. I'm praying he puffs out his chest and shows us and Jose what he is all about as the season develops.

The Legend of Tanguy · Dec 27, 2019

Vincent30 said:
I don't see any issue with what's gone on, Jose is potentially protecting himself saying what he did yesterday as all the fans are like 'where is Ndombele, why isn't he playing', plus he's giving him a nudge to step up and help the team out. If Ndombele gets all upset over this and completely goes within himself, then he isn't the player for us and not the player i want at this club regardless of his ability. You've had 6 months here now, yes, you've had some injuries which haven't helped, but the opportunity to be one of the best CM in the best league in the world is staring him in the face.

He either takes it, or he gives up and if he does, that's on him. No one else. I'm praying he puffs out his chest and shows us and Jose what he is all about as the season develops.

To clarify, I have no problem with what Jose said. I'm more frustrated with those saying Jose is going to lock Tanguy out of the team. Also with those saying Tanguy doesn't have the fitness or mentality for the league. Guy played in nearly every game last year for Lyon, including dominating the UCL. Fitness was not a concern there. Now, that's a farmers league tbh, but give TN some time to adapt to the higher fitness levels required in the EPL and he's going to be immense. The 60m we paid for him isn't for the first 6 months. It's for the next 6 years+ of him being a colossus in the midfield.

jonnyp · Dec 27, 2019

This thread seriously. Now he is a lazy, mentally weak player? Wonder what it is next week?

He got a groin strain Vs Sheffield but convinced the physios to let him play the rest of the half. He obviously made himself available to play after that also and played through injury which then was made worse because of that. What was he then I might ask?

Maybe it is not so weird he wants to make sure his groin is ok this time.

TheVoiceofReason · Dec 27, 2019

Have some faith in Ndombele to respond positively to criticism. If he can’t do that he really is screwed.

Ronwol196061 · Dec 27, 2019

I think when you have had a recurring groin injury,its better to be sure than sorry. Ndombeles game is predicated on quick turns and pace off the mark so I wouldn't take that lightly when you have a groin injury. Maybe Mourinho values the warrior mentality but Ndombele should listen to his body in this case

dagraham · Dec 27, 2019

Ronwol196061 said:
I think when you have had a recurring groin injury,its better to be sure than sorry. Ndombeles game is predicated on quick turns and pace off the mark so I wouldn't take that lightly when you have a groin injury. Maybe Mourinho values the warrior mentality but Ndombele should listen to his body in this case

I think the issue seems to be though that he isn’t listening to his body, he’s listening to his mind.

Ronwol196061 · Dec 27, 2019

dagraham said:
I think the issue seems to be though that he isn’t listening to his body, he’s listening to his mind.

I think they are not all separate. Ndombele is a confident player,he twists and turns and in his game its about quick turns to avoid the opposition players in dribbling and his groin can pull easily especially when its already had problems. Its not all in his head only

dagraham · Dec 27, 2019

Ronwol196061 said:
I think they are not all separate. Ndombele is a confident player,he twists and turns and in his game its about quick turns to avoid the opposition players in dribbling and his groin can pull easily especially when its already had problems. Its not all in his head only

But if he’s training at full pace and not feeling anything physically then it is in his head.

I’m not trying to hang him out to dry and hope it gets sorted soon, but from what we have been told it seems pretty clear cut to me.

I mean if he feels the way you’ve described then why would anything change by tomorrow?

muppetman · Dec 27, 2019

Mourinho getting to this part of the story so soon - Amazon must have asked us to accelerate the whole process! :cautious:

Ionman34 · Dec 27, 2019

jonnyp said:
This thread seriously. Now he is a lazy, mentally weak player? Wonder what it is next week?

He got a groin strain Vs Sheffield but convinced the physios to let him play the rest of the half. He obviously made himself available to play after that also and played through injury which then was made worse because of that. What was he then I might ask?

Maybe it is not so weird he wants to make sure his groin is ok this time.

This.

It’s said often enough that players are responsible for their own fitness to play. For all we know, NDombele has said give me another week boss and I’ll be firing on all cylinders, but right now it doesn’t feel 100% and I don’t want to be out for another 4-6 weeks if it goes again.

We don’t know what’s been discussed, but it’s not unreasonable to assume that NDombele has been responsible here and is looking to ensure he is fit and available for the long term.

Let’s not build mountains out of molehills.

$hoguN · Dec 27, 2019

Not going to get too won’t up in Mourinho’s comment.

I will play devil’s Advocate to some post on here though and say that Lamela May have been willing to play despite not being 100%, however that attitude may be contributor to large number of injuries he has had since joining us. Ndombele May have felt in a couple of days he could give a better account of himself and remove the risk.

We won’t ever know, but hopefully the end outcome of this all is a committed Ndombele (as he is a beast) and a happy Mourinho

Ronwol196061 · Dec 27, 2019

dagraham said:
But if he’s training at full pace and not feeling anything physically then it is in his head.

I’m not trying to hang him out to dry and hope it gets sorted soon, but from what we have been told it seems pretty clear cut to me.
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I mean if he feels the way you’ve described then why would anything change by tomorrow?

Training at full pace is a more controlled thing,in a game there is the instant reaction to events.I think it is different. But really its impossible to say either way whether Ndombele is being over cautious or he is knowing his body a bit more than Mourinho knows it.
As far as tomorrow goes and his status.There are a lot of factors. There is no point in him just being a body he needs to be able to play to his best attributes,like those twisting turns he makes and quick passes down the field. Surely a player has to feel confident that his body can do those things. I would imagine he is more eager than anyone to get into the game.He seems to want to be right at the thick of things when he is playing

CowInAComa · Dec 27, 2019

Well hopefully he can actually play some football and we will see if he replicate his one good season in france for us at some point. We made the one season mistake with Janssen.

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