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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I'm not talking about next season, I said a month from now after we've played top 4 competitors and RB Leipzig.

I am more than happy to give him time.
Ah ok fair point mate sorry I misread that yes I can also see a few disgruntled fans when results possibly drop off but if he can keep grinding out results until Kane is back we might avoid the meltdown
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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More from Mourinho
“The best team lost. The best team on the pitch lost. If you look at it in a pragmatic way of forgetting that they had their best player, their best team, they had one more day to rest, we were really in trouble to build the team. Lots of fatigue from the City match. These important items but if you analyse just in a simple, pragmatic way the best team lost. They were better than us, stronger physically than us, faster than us, they pressed, they had intensity, they had chances. They were the best team.
“But I cannot forget all the other circumstances and my players they were phenomenal. The way they reacted was fantastic. Showed incredible heart and connection with the crowd and they gave absolutely everything. So I think the best team lost but we deserved to win.”
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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Jose has changed, his press conferences are now just him moaning about stuff.

Not as enjoyable to watch anymore.
We must be watching different conferences. I'll give you a link to the ones that I watch if you like as he definitely doesn't moan in them.
 

ackie

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Dec 29, 2005
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He's a very clever man in football. He knows what he has and does the best he can with what he's got.
We do have a lot of players (2 key players at least) injured for long term.
His press conferences are also honest.
I may not be enjoying the football but I am enjoying the wins and the pre and post conferences.

IF we beat Norwich, we probably have what it takes to go all the way with a bit of luck.

Coys
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
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He's a very clever man in football. He knows what he has and does the best he can with what he's got.
We do have a lot of players (2 key players at least) injured for long term.
His press conferences are also honest.
I may not be enjoying the football but I am enjoying the wins and the pre and post conferences.

IF we beat Norwich, we probably have what it takes to go all the way with a bit of luck.

Coys

Agreed. He's certainly winning me over. Such an intelligent and eloquent man. Theres always seems to be the argument that he lowers expectations and makes excuses but for me he's just sharing his thought processes and it makes perfect sense.

Last nights was particularly interesting. He said he had no link man except for Dele for about 30 mins max. Decided to try and play the contain and counter in the hope we could win the game when he came on.

I sympathise with him. He's trying to stamp his authority on the team mid season (at the busiest fixture time also) whilst having to deal with constant injuries to key players and try to build fitness and confidence at the same time.

Maybe he's pulling the wool over all of our eyes but I think he's legit. No way he's happy with how we're playing offensively IMO, but how can we expect cohesion when he can't seem to get his best XI gelling on the pitch regularly? Fingers crossed for a better display at Villa with GLC, Dele and Bergwijn back.
 

Gassin's finest

C'est diabolique
May 12, 2010
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He's a very clever man in football. He knows what he has and does the best he can with what he's got.
We do have a lot of players (2 key players at least) injured for long term.
His press conferences are also honest.
I may not be enjoying the football but I am enjoying the wins and the pre and post conferences.

IF we beat Norwich, we probably have what it takes to go all the way with a bit of luck.

Coys
The draw is fortunate in the Manchester teams favour. Liverpool will likely beat Chelsea as well. The Semi Finals will be brutal.
 

talkshowhost86

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Oct 2, 2004
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I remain massively far from convinced.

He's almost playing this as if we're massive underdogs in most of our games, even at home to the likes of Southampton, and the fact is that with the squad we've got, versus the squad they've got, we should not be being outplayed and lucking it out. We remain a not very good team, and I think Jose should have had enough time to at least have some impact on that.

I'm obviously glad we're picking up more wins than under Poch, but I'm not convinced how much of that is down to Mourinho and how much is down to the fact that we've just got some very good players.

What I will give him is that he seems the read the flow of the game very well and makes decisive changes, which is something Poch never did. That is obviously a big plus point and I think has gained us points that we wouldn't have won under Poch.

Overall though, whilst realising that he hasn't had much time and hasn't spent much money, there's a huge distance to go based on how we are playing at the moment, and I need to see a lot more before I'm convinced Jose is the man to do it.
 

HildoSpur

Likes Erik Lamela, deal with it.
Oct 1, 2005
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I remain massively far from convinced.

He's almost playing this as if we're massive underdogs in most of our games, even at home to the likes of Southampton, and the fact is that with the squad we've got, versus the squad they've got, we should not be being outplayed and lucking it out. We remain a not very good team, and I think Jose should have had enough time to at least have some impact on that.

I'm obviously glad we're picking up more wins than under Poch, but I'm not convinced how much of that is down to Mourinho and how much is down to the fact that we've just got some very good players.

What I will give him is that he seems the read the flow of the game very well and makes decisive changes, which is something Poch never did. That is obviously a big plus point and I think has gained us points that we wouldn't have won under Poch.

Overall though, whilst realising that he hasn't had much time and hasn't spent much money, there's a huge distance to go based on how we are playing at the moment, and I need to see a lot more before I'm convinced Jose is the man to do it.


Poch had basically the same players but the difference is we are getting results. That's down to Jose. His ability to change a game positively with subs alone is infinitely better than Poch was.
 

talkshowhost86

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Oct 2, 2004
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Poch had basically the same players but the difference is we are getting results. That's down to Jose. His ability to change a game positively with subs alone is infinitely better than Poch was.

Probably not a sensible comparison due to the relative timescales, but I think it is worth pointing out that his win percentage is currently below Poch's.

Obviously not 2019 Poch, and I'm not for a second saying we should have kept with him, but it is a sign that whilst we are getting some results, we are not getting a lot.

Like I said I'm prepared to give him time, but that works both ways so I'm not convinced either way at this stage.
 

allatsea

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Aug 31, 2012
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More from Mourinho
“The best team lost. The best team on the pitch lost. If you look at it in a pragmatic way of forgetting that they had their best player, their best team, they had one more day to rest, we were really in trouble to build the team. Lots of fatigue from the City match. These important items but if you analyse just in a simple, pragmatic way the best team lost. They were better than us, stronger physically than us, faster than us, they pressed, they had intensity, they had chances. They were the best team.
“But I cannot forget all the other circumstances and my players they were phenomenal. The way they reacted was fantastic. Showed incredible heart and connection with the crowd and they gave absolutely everything. So I think the best team lost but we deserved to win.”
He talks a lot of sense. So different to Poch who I couldn’t understand half the time. He is doing wonders IMO with a squad riddled by injuries. Just look at yesterday no Kane, no Sissoko, no Lamela, no Lo Celso, no Davies, an only partially fit Ndombele and Alli, plus Bergwijn not able to play yet we still won. He is a master of getting wins out of these situations.
 

Timberwolf

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Jan 17, 2008
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I remain massively far from convinced.

He's almost playing this as if we're massive underdogs in most of our games, even at home to the likes of Southampton, and the fact is that with the squad we've got, versus the squad they've got, we should not be being outplayed and lucking it out. We remain a not very good team, and I think Jose should have had enough time to at least have some impact on that.

I'm obviously glad we're picking up more wins than under Poch, but I'm not convinced how much of that is down to Mourinho and how much is down to the fact that we've just got some very good players.


What I will give him is that he seems the read the flow of the game very well and makes decisive changes, which is something Poch never did. That is obviously a big plus point and I think has gained us points that we wouldn't have won under Poch.

Overall though, whilst realising that he hasn't had much time and hasn't spent much money, there's a huge distance to go based on how we are playing at the moment, and I need to see a lot more before I'm convinced Jose is the man to do it.
It's a tricky one. When I hear his post match comments I think "that sounds like a fair assessment" but then when you compare the Spurs players to their Saints counterparts and remember we're the home team, it's hard to accept that we were almost destined to be dominated

The way So'ton moved the ball in neat little triangles up the pitch, maintained possession, pressed intelligently...the majority of our players should be able to do that as well if not better than So'ton if they were properly coached (although I do wonder if the likes of Dier would get anywhere near most other PL sides' first 11 atm). Even with our low block and counter attacking system you'd think we'd be better at working the ball forward and stringing together passing moves, cos at the moment it often looks fairly random and sloppy.

My hope is that with Kane, Bergwijn and Lo Celso back in the side and a couple of key signings in the summer, we can combine Jose's winning mentality and big game experience, with some actual decent football and start playing well and dominating games rather than just winning. If we get rid of the remaining dead wood, sign his players and we still look shit, then I'll be very concerned.
 

thebenjamin

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Jul 1, 2008
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I think Jose has that knack of just knowing what his side needs to get it over the line. People had him as a failure for at Utd but he got them to 2nd place and they really were poor. He is just a very clever football man and sees things a different way than the rest of us probably would.

Listening to him talk, I think a lot of it is based on getting to the last 15 minutes still in the game. Like last night he said the only thing that didn't go according to plan was SCBC's second goal. So losing the 1-0 wasn't so much of a problem as he knew he was going to bring on Dele at 75 minutes and that we could give everything for 15 minutes and it would be enough to win. That's why so much of the game is dull and us just hanging in - because he wants them to conserve energy and still be in the game come the final period.
 

Cochise

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Aug 8, 2019
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I guess we were hand cuffed into playing that dreadful 352 as he deemed Fernandes not capable of playing a full 90. Even after he switched it up, it took Southampton going ahead for us to suddenly wake up.
 

TheCheeseRoom

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Listening to him talk, I think a lot of it is based on getting to the last 15 minutes still in the game. Like last night he said the only thing that didn't go according to plan was SCBC's second goal. So losing the 1-0 wasn't so much of a problem as he knew he was going to bring on Dele at 75 minutes and that we could give everything for 15 minutes and it would be enough to win. That's why so much of the game is dull and us just hanging in - because he wants them to conserve energy and still be in the game come the final period.

Add to that the fact that Southampton play such an aggressive high press and it makes sense as a game plan.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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I remain massively far from convinced.

He's almost playing this as if we're massive underdogs in most of our games, even at home to the likes of Southampton, and the fact is that with the squad we've got, versus the squad they've got, we should not be being outplayed and lucking it out. We remain a not very good team, and I think Jose should have had enough time to at least have some impact on that.

I'm obviously glad we're picking up more wins than under Poch, but I'm not convinced how much of that is down to Mourinho and how much is down to the fact that we've just got some very good players.

What I will give him is that he seems the read the flow of the game very well and makes decisive changes, which is something Poch never did. That is obviously a big plus point and I think has gained us points that we wouldn't have won under Poch.

Overall though, whilst realising that he hasn't had much time and hasn't spent much money, there's a huge distance to go based on how we are playing at the moment, and I need to see a lot more before I'm convinced Jose is the man to do it.
I have no problem at all with people being unconvinced.

I think Poch struggled this season to put a team together and get results.

With the personnel at his disposal Jose is also struggling but has managed to get some results out the team.

At this stage I am encouraged by what Jose is doing and saying but ultimately he will be judged in the longer term.

Poch very successfully put a team together by his second season. Jose is known for short term results. Hopefully he can help us muddle through this season then get us properly playing how he wants us to next season.
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
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Probably not a sensible comparison due to the relative timescales, but I think it is worth pointing out that his win percentage is currently below Poch's.

Obviously not 2019 Poch, and I'm not for a second saying we should have kept with him, but it is a sign that whilst we are getting some results, we are not getting a lot.

Like I said I'm prepared to give him time, but that works both ways so I'm not convinced either way at this stage.

I think that's a fair and balanced stance. The football has been poor on the whole, I would agree with that. First half yesterday was abysmal without a doubt. I'm just taking the optimistic stance because I can't see how Mourinho would want us to play in such a disjointed way. I think he's just in survival mode at the moment due to injuries, fitness and confidence issues within the squad.

Southampton are no joke right now, they gave Liverpool a hell of a game for an hour. We might look at our team on paper and think we should dominate them but they are fit, confident and have fully adapted to their managers style, while we put out a patchwork side playing in a cobbled together 3-5-2 with two recognised attackers. Part of me wants to think we should be seeing obvious patterns of play by now but at the same time I don't think that'll come until Jose has more time on the training ground and the players have more time to gel. Under Jose I think it's more of an organic process than more modern managers like Poch or even Hassenhuttl. Jose is a very reactive manager which is why we are nicking games like this, it's that special sauce that was always lacking under Poch sadly.

The million dollar question is whether Jose can ever get our general play up to an enjoyable standard, and enable us to dominate lesser teams like we did under Poch. I'm hopeful he can in time, due to the talent we have in our squad, but I don't think we'll know for sure either way until next season, largely due to the Kane injury and us being unable to address key squad areas in January.

I do think however over the course of the two Southampton games there were more than enough counter opportunities spurned to justify the gameplan against them. Especially the first game when we missed two 1 v 1s and should have had the tie buried at HT. Yesterday was more about poor decisions killing great opportunities but there were always goals in the game for us, even though we were the inferior team. What I'm hoping for is us becoming more clinical in these counters, as well as more effective in our general play. A combination of resilience and ruthlessness.

One thing I don't think we can deny is that the players are playing for him and team spirit and confidence is (re)building. I watched his interview for the club's social media and he was talking about how GLC and Dele were both desperate to play and help the team but they had to be careful with them. Was great to hear.
 

Ronwol196061

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Apr 9, 2018
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I really like Jose's pressers and think they are honest but I want to ask him one question and its this. He said that he would have preferred 3 forwards but he only has 2 (Taking into consideration I guess other factors) so why were we hitting balls to the front two if they were covered why didn't we play more through the midfield?
I would almost answer my own question by saying that the midfield were also covered,so I wonder what were we doing wrong that Southampton had all the space in the world when they were attacking and when we were moving the ball we were constantly covered (in the first half) Was it their superior fitness? their organization?
 
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