Jose Mourinho

Doctor Dinkey said:

They won't back him. At least not substantially.
The gamble was that he would be able to organise the existing squad well enough to get CL.
But now that's gone, there's no funding.
This can't end well. Expect massive fireworks in the summer and a negotiated exit soon after.

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homer hotspur said:

I think this is more than likely. No CL or El will not appeal to Jose or the players he will target. He will have ample excuses to deflect any blame from him. Also, can't rule out a few shock transfer requests from our best players.

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Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

I'd take them and accept them. Levy's backing of Poch when it comes to Eriksen after years of selling at the highest price cost the squad. Funny when you think about it, also fine revisionism from me but lets not go there.

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southlondonyiddo said:

Poch wanted to keep Eriksen all the time he knew his heart and head were elsewhere?!?!

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rez9000 said:

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see these things (not that I'm casting any aspersions on your intelligence, Darren), and yet here you are having to outline the bleeding obvious, AGAIN! The fact that you and so many others have to keep saying it over and over and over in the face of those who simply refuse to even acknowledge it is horrifying to watch, and I can only commend you for having the patience to keep doing it.

I'm all for debate and considering other points of view, but when the bleeding obvious is sat right in front of one's face, it's pretty exasperating to see things that, in the face of the plain evidence, simply make no sense.

For crying out loud, all it takes is a tiny amount of logic.

"He's a dinosaur" - you can't make that claim when he's recently won trophies. Nor if you consider the problems with the squad, nor with the fact that he's come in midseason and not had the opportunity to implement his systems and styles. Logic.

"He's not a long-term solution" - When fifteen of the Premiership's managers have been in post less than three years, it puts paid to the idea that any manager is expected to stay with a club for a long period. Logic.

"There are no green shoots" - that is to be expected, again given the fact that he's come in in mid-season and has a problematic squad. Logic.

"The football's turgid" - AGAIN, to be expected with the problems with the squad, the lack of options and the fact that coming in mid-season, he can't apply his system or style in any significant way. Bloody logic!

Over and over and over, we have to keep saying the same things. Some oil seems to be poured onto troubled waters, things seem to get a little calmer and then someone pops up with some variation of one of the above statements and the whole thing churns again. Enough already!

Can anyone deny any of the things above? I challenge those desperate to piss all over the manager to show me examples where others have had the same issues and have overcome them in so short a space of time as Mourinho has had at the club. Point to the time when Nagelsmann took a depleted and seriously damaged squad and got them winning again within four months. Someone point to the time that Nuno joined a club midseason and got them playing exciting football when previously they hadn't been. Just a few examples. Come on, chaps - if you're so expert as to judge in the most excoriating terms, surely you have ideas that can back up your claims? While you're at it, perhaps you can also demonstrate how precisely you all know the ins and outs of what's happening at Spurs without drawing on rumour, journalist pap or supposition. Or maybe you can't because you're all far too busy in your jobs as professional football coaches...?

But maybe not that busy to avoid engaging in a little emotional blackmail like citing what other fans are saying about our situation. As if their opinion lends any weight to any part of the discussion.

What United fans say or laugh at about us isn't an issue. They don't know the ins and outs of our club, so aren't qualified to make any kind of statement, let alone the usual moronic ones that you'd expect from that bunch of entitled pricks.

What Chelsea fans have to say is even less relevant. They should stick to what they know best: trying to write their own names without assistance and being racist.

Seriously - enough! If you really care that much about the club, then you shouldn't need to be told that when times are hard you show more support, not less. That if you whine and moan when things are going badly, you're not being a supporter, you're being selfish because you're only thinking of what you want, what you expect, not what the club you purport to support needs.

Now, I feel it necessary to apologise for the harshness of my post. It's not because I dislike any of you (barring a couple I have on ignore). You are all part of my tribe, no matter our disagreements. But the toxicity is rising and we owe it to ourselves as well as the club we adore to be better than we're currently being.

Peace and love to you all.

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bat-chain said:

Biggest problem is style, we have to go through next season but Levy will have to make some form of contingency plan. Good players simply won’t want to play that way in 2020.

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fortworthspur said:

cant remember the last time we lost 4 straight. even when we sucked.

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Ossie85 said:

We are missing some key players and others are ageing. But we still have a good enough squad to play better than some teams. Norwich were without their star man Pukki last night, and they played much better than us. And our starting 11, name by name, had a lot more quality than theirs.

In the last minutes we played like we should be playing against these teams. The rest of the game we played like a lower league team. How can that not be Mourinho's fault?

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Danny1 said:

You do realise that Norwich dropped deeper at the end of the game which enabled us to push on, thats the simple fact. Ossie, you were a big advocate of Poch so when we only got 24 points from 25 games and playing the most horrendous football, was that totally on Poch, because people back then were blaming Levy instead?

It's just the mood swings in here that can give you whiplash. Poch was a likeable character so it was all Levys fault we were playing badly, Mourinho isn't so likeable so now its suddenly all his fault. Can people make up their mind? I even remember post after post after post saying that Levy is at fault for getting rid of our best manager since Bill Nic! We seem to have a number of posters who tailor their points to suit their own agenda. If you look at our squad simplistically its like this:

Goalkeepers:
- Lloris - Injured most of the season.
- Gazza - An ok number 2.
- Vorm - No more needs to be said.

Full Backs:
- Rose - Out of form, ageing, has left the club.
- Davies - Injured most of the season.
- Sessegnon - A young kid still learning his trade. Injured.
- KWP - Ultimately not good enough, has left the club.
- Aurier - Erratic at best.
- Tanganga - A young kid still learning his trade.

Centre Backs:
- Vertonghen - Has aged very fast and appears a shadow of his former self.
- Alderweireld - Struggling a bit this season, not the player we had a few years back.
- Sanchez - A good player but he needs a strong partner.
- Foyth - Injured most of the season.

Centre Mids:
- Sissoko - Been out for most of the time Mourinho has been here.
- Ndombele - Has struggled in the new league with fitness issues.
- Lo Celso - Been injured a lot, is starting to show his class.
- Winks - A tidy little player but not a world beater.
- Dier - Has been injured for the best part of a year.
- Skipp - A young kid still learning his trade.
- Gedson - Only just joined us.
- Wanyama - Injured constantly, left the club.

Attacking Mids:
- Lamela - Injury prone, plays one game & is out for 2.
- Alli - A shadow of his former self for 18 months now.
- Lucas - Tries hard but ultimately not good enough.
- Bergwijn - Only just joined us.
- Son - Injured for the rest of the season.
- Eriksen - Out of form, eventually left the club.

Strikers:
- Kane - Out for the rest of the season.
- Parrott - A young kid learning his trade.

So basically, if you take the emotion out of it you can see that we have had Lloris, Davies, Sessegnon, Dier, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sissoko, Wanyama, Lamela, Son & Kane injured for large parts of the season and these are all of our key players. Add that to generally a poor defence with zero defensive midfielder and some young players, then it paints a clear picture that this squad needs to be reinforced heavily and no manager would truly be able to get essentially 13 players to play 2 games a week constantly with no focal point to our attacks.

That's 11 players we have had out for large parts of this season aswell as losing Rose, KWP, Wanyama & Eriksen.

We need to stop the hyperbole that is constantly trotted out in here & just accept that this is the way its going to be till the end of the season. If people feel as strongly as their posts suggest (with some people making outlandish statements) then they should be camping outside of Hotspur Way with banners. I guess that won't happen as it's really easy to be a keyboard warrior, but less so to actually make a stand.

Final bit, I loved Poch and in my lifetime he is my favourite manager and he was let down by the players ultimately, and once again these same players are blameless in making yet another manager look average. Our anger, disappointment, sadness shouldn't be aimed at the guy who took over 13 weeks ago (thats all it is), it should be at the players who can't even do the very basic thing of passing to eachother successfully.

Sorry the long rant, Ossie I kind of used your post to write this

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bat-chain said:

Biggest problem is style, we have to go through next season but Levy will have to make some form of contingency plan. Good players simply won’t want to play that way in 2020.

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Japhet said:

To answer one of your points, I'd say he has had time to implement his 'system and style' which is why we surrender possession and territory for long spells of most of our games. Mourinho set us up to play Norwich at home as if it was Barcelona away.

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Everlasting Seconds said:

I fully disagree. OK, I have to be precise. I don't disagree that the style has been poor for a few matches in a row. I disagree that what we are seeing is Mouriho's primary choice for style of football the way he wants Spurs to play long term. Many fans are arguing that we are now seeing the brand of footie and that it is bad. We are seeing a type of football deployed due to a manager's insecurities in/response to an extreme period of fitness/injury issues. The best Mourinho footie we've seen at Spurs has already been very, very good. But the worst luck in injuries and fitness brings out the worst in the players and the worst in tactics. We need to support the team, finish this season, take a log holiday, sign a couple of players and win a trophy next season.

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southlondonyiddo said:

'A couple of players' will not cut it. We need 4 at the very minimum and that doesn’t take into account their quality or how late into the summer we buy them!!

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Doctor Dinkey said:

They won't back him. At least not substantially.
The gamble was that he would be able to organise the existing squad well enough to get CL.
But now that's gone, there's no funding.
This can't end well. Expect massive fireworks in the summer and a negotiated exit soon after.

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eddiev14 said:

If this is ITK then we are a joke.

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Everlasting Seconds said:

Maybe, in which case I take your comment as you agree with my post in general.

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HodisGawd said:

This is an absolutely brilliant post. There - more hyperbole for you.

No, really, your point is bang on.

Much as I would LOVE to blame Mourinho (really, really would) and there are always those who jump on the Levy bandwagon, the simple fact is this is not that simple.

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Everlasting Seconds said:

I fully disagree. OK, I have to be precise. I don't disagree that the style has been poor for a few matches in a row. I disagree that what we are seeing is Mouriho's primary choice for style of football the way he wants Spurs to play long term. Many fans are arguing that we are now seeing the brand of footie and that it is bad. We are seeing a type of football deployed due to a manager's insecurities in/response to an extreme period of fitness/injury issues. The best Mourinho footie we've seen at Spurs has already been very, very good. But the worst luck in injuries and fitness brings out the worst in the players and the worst in tactics. We need to support the team, finish this season, take a log holiday, sign a couple of players and win a trophy next season.

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