Do you think we should judge Jose after at least one full season?
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Would you give Jose a full season in charge before making a judgment?
kaz Hirai
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I didn't say anything about judging him. I'm answering the question about whether he left two previous clubs in a mess
But you have judged him on the apparent mess he left. Will you give him time to try and rectify the mess we are in?
rossdapep
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Remember when that 'weird fitness guy' came out and said Poch and Klopp are pushing players too hard and it'll burn them out? How we all laughed and called him a joker. He was right.
He actually said that when Klopp had first arrived at Liverpool after watching the devastation left behind at Dortmund. But I think Klopp had already taken his experiences with him but was just pushing his team to set the foundation with the idea of gradually altering the press later.
Poch, and this is down to lack of experience, kept pushing the same group of players over and over and I think they just couldn't do it anymore, which explains him wanting a big rebuild. I think we're left with the same destruction as Dortmund, players with not a lot left in the tank, with which some of them lacked the quality but worked the press really well.
I think this collapse has been due.
Gb160
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What are you going on about?
When have I promised anything?
Look the Poch years might be seen as an era of unbridled glory for you, but to me and many others they were ultimately fruitless. Deal with it.
bomberH
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That’s my point though with Chelsea. I’d take player fallouts and a one off relegation threat if it meant us winning 3 titles before that happened. Makes me laugh when people bring up the shit he created there after being their most successful manager ever. Ever!
I mean, he didn’t to too bad at Utd either, winning 2 cups in his first season. Every manager since Fergie were on a hiding to nothing. He didn’t leave them in chaos at all, he just left them on a massive ‘meh’. Falling out with Luke Shaw doesn’t make him the devil. And if one or two others weren’t pulling their weight for a club like Utd then fair play to him for pulling them up on it. I’m not a fan of the way he made it public but he seems to have learnt from that (so far). He hasn’t slagged anyone off publicly here yet even though he had a massive chance with Ndombele last week.
He’s won everything, everywhere and hasn’t changed his style hardly at all. Football may have changed a bit but that doesn’t mean he won’t win anymore. We certainly wouldn’t be in this mess if kane and son were fit. I wish he wasn’t so negative in his style but it’s mainly down to those 2 being injured. We weren’t as bad as this in the first couple of months. We should judge him after 18 months/2 years, in my opinion.
Gb160
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Chelsea won the league when he was there last, and won the league the season after he left though...how is that leaving a mess?
kaz Hirai
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Iol I'm not talking about us, you asked how he left Chelsea and United in a mess.
I answered how he left them in a mess, it's all there black and white.
I'm not interested in getting into a silly debate about about the current situation. It's been done and it bores me
rossdapep
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Agreed
Jose's first season at United was a bit similar in some respects. He was still figuring his squad out, managing injuries and Thursday night football. He then opted for the Europa Cup and sacked the league off. He doesn't even have that option with us due to our ridiculous injury situation.
Second full season and United came flying out the traps.
I'd take that and I wouldnt be surprised if after a preseason and new players we do something similar. It happened under Harry as someone rightly mentioned.
rossdapep
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He didn't leave them in a mess though. Other than certain players wanting him out, the squads were relatively fine, the United squad wasn't completely down to him either due to the shite they'd collected from the Moyes/Van Gaal era, Woodward wanting big signings and refusing to shift on Martial and co
Sorry you think it’s a silly debate but my opening post this evening was about giving Jose time in the job and trying to over come the divide but you seem quite clear in your narrative about avoiding the question of wether or not Jose should be given time. Unfortunately for me the future of spurs doesn’t bore me. Much love x
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Gb160
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Dont apologise mate, it's not a silly debate...he made some claim, backed it up badly and now has his fingers in his ears and is going 'la la la la'.
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Yes I do remember, and I agree with pretty much all you have said here in a well executed post ?
I think not only was poch inexperienced. In this regard, but having his son as fitness coach at a young age was also naive. The players do look burnt out. The hope is that it is somewhat reverseable. Jan looked far more agile and swift than at any point I've seen him against Norwich. I hope that others can show the same. He played the full 2 hours too.
Phomesy
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I like how you've taken "period of actual tangible progression " and turned it into "unbridled glory" - don't know if you're just flat out lying or just in denial but as you quoted my actual words and then lied about them - it's just not a great look for you at all, mate.
You keep slagging off Poch then stating we "finally have a winner". You do this over and over and over
While its accurate to say that Mourinho is a "winner" - you are implicitly promising that he will absolutely do the same with us. Thus you slag off the Pochettino era (because you've doubled down on Mourinho) as a failure cos "no trophies" and promise things will change with "winner" Mourinho.
You know perfectly well you were selling an FA Cup win - and that ain't happening now. In fact we limped out in the worst possible fashion. So people - who were promised shiny things by people like you - aren't getting them. Not even close. In fact in embarrassing humiliating scenes for the club.
I take the long term view. I think Mourinho - if he is to succeed at all - will succeed next season and season after. He has earned that.
He might not get the chance because fuckwits who think they are "supporting Mourinho" are actually selling false fucking gold and tearing this club apart because people are justifiably angry at not getting the shiny fucking things they promised IMMEDIATELY. By people like you who go on to shit allover actual tangible feelings they had under our previous manager.
Are you starting to get this?
ToDarrenIsToDo
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4 months into the job Robbie. Same players that didn't win away in the league for nearly a year. With how everything was when Mourinho took over, you're expecting a unicorn so soon.
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What irks me the most is the excessive respect you have for someone who has no history at our club, who is very related to one of our biggest rivals. And in the process completely disrepect the previous manager that for some of us, gave us the best moments of our spurs life.
Yes, I disagree with everything you've said except the trophies of each one, which are facts. The rest are opinions, even though you are stating them as if they were facts.
What you said about the high press is pointless. They press, sometimes very high, sometimes in the middle, which is the same thing Poch did.
The team Poch recieved was a lot worse that what Jose recieved now. Soldado and Adebayor were shit. The dressing room was divided. Kaboul, Capoue, Chiriches, Towsend, Chadli, Paulinho, Stambouli.
Pochettinos first season was better that what we are seeing now. There was some sense of football and what we wanted to do. We beat chelsea and arsenal with authority, no like we beat City last time. Nothing like AVB.
Since Arnesen and Jol we had a lot of ups and downs. It's ridiculous to claim Pochettino's seasons were just because we were on an upwards trajectory. We weren't. Jol and Harry had good seasons, but there was a lot of shit in the middle. There's no trajectory
If Pochettino lost the dressing room, it doesn't feel any different now. A lot of players don't like what Mourinho is making them do. It's a matter of time until he publicly bullies a player.
I don't care what Poch does now, so we won't be talking again about that. Let's talk again at the end of this season and see if you still excessively demand respect for Mourinho.
Gb160
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Not really no.
When?...when was I doing this?
All I've said is I think we have a greater chance of silverware under a manager who has won the fucking lot.
I don't remember promising anyone anything.
Please quote the posts where I've done this, as I think you've not got me mixed up with someone else?
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