Jose Mourinho

slartibartfast · Mar 11, 2020

chelmyid said:
We look bereft of ideas because we have no fecking striker on the pitch!!!
Moura, Alli, lamela, bergwijn, Lo Celso - even son - none of them are a true striker and can’t play the fecking role!!!! They are making the right runs but there is no one in the box, no one making ‘striker’ runs

it’s so bloody obvious - yet people can’t seem to see it!!

We looked utter shit when Son and Kane WERE in the starting 11.
Yes we won games but by the skin of our teeth because those 2 are so clinical in front of goal. Results papered over the cracks. The defence and midfield was still a shit show and will be until we get a recognised dm and a settled back 4.
Bring Kane and Son back now we'll still be a disjointed cluster fk at the back, not helped by JM changing the backline every single match never repeating the same line up twice.
Btw Tanganga has now played in 5 different positions. And he's a young player breaking into the team! It doesn't help. This is also fkin obvious imo but it keeps happening.

stevenurse · Mar 11, 2020

Phomesy said:
I like Mourinho and always have - but this stat is meaningless.

The question is - will he be able to take us forward as a club now?

The trophy gambit is dust. We were sold trophies "now". That's gone.

Focus on whether or not Mourinho can rebuild us and take us forward now we are a shambles.

I hope he can. Not sure his record suggest that.

It would be his biggest triumph..

Nobody expected Jose to win anything this season

glacierSpurs · Mar 11, 2020

sidford said:
Nagelsmann quote on us and our tactical approach "I don't want to say it was easy. It sounds kind of arrogant"

Jesus that's some damning of José it's one of the worst things that could be said. Blows open his tactical genius myth.

Nice one Nagelsmann.. nice one.. Will remember that. Believe karma will prevail one day.

What I don't understand is they see us as if we are Borussia Dortmund, feeling like they hate us to the core.

Phomesy · Mar 11, 2020

-Afri-Coy- said:
You’re taking the pole out of context. The poll is there to show what we THINK will happen under Mourinho, it is in no way a promise that we would win trophies this season, if at all under Mourinho. It’s just our opinion of what could happen with him at the helm.

No one, Not Levy, Not Mourinho, Not the tea lady, not the cheese room, no one at all ever promised us trophies under Jose.

History suggests there’s a good possibility as he hasn’t failed to win silverware at any of his previous clubs, but it is in no way a promise or nailed on fact that we will win trophies.

No, I'm putting peoples (often irrational imo) anger at Mourinho for our situation in context.

The poll doesn't say "Yay Mourinho with take us through a painful rebuild and THEN win TROPHIES".

It implicitly promises that we are changing one failed manager for one who will win something with our current squad.

Now we are back to painful rebuilds that the previous manager said was necessary. And the current one continues to say is not.

That is why some people are so angry. And it's kind of understandable. Even if I don't and never agreed with it.

stevenurse · Mar 11, 2020

slartibartfast said:
Can you tell me why we looked utter shit qhen Son and Kane WERE in the starting 11 if this is the problem?
Yes we won games but by the skin of our teeth because those 2 are so clinical in front of goal. Results papered over the cracks. The defence and midfield was still a shit show and will be until we get a recognised dm and a settled back 4.
Bring Kane and Son back now we'll still be a disjointed cluster fk at the back, not helped by JM changing the backline every single match never repeating the same line up twice.
Btw Tanganga has now played in 5 different positions. And he's a young player breaking into the team! It doesn't help. This is also fkin obvious imo but it keeps happening.

Jose changed the defence every game because there's not a single defender in the squad he can trust. In every previous team (possibly bar united) he's had defenders he can largely rely on not fucking up every week.

When Kane and Son were in the side we were free scoring despite Jose's reputation. Its not his fault our defence is simply not good enough. Its just now we dont have the firepower to outgun our opponents.

The biggest thing we can do in the summer is build from the back first. Forget any attackers, theyre all just crippled. Out defence however is just terrible

Phomesy · Mar 11, 2020

stevenurse said:
Nobody expected Jose to win anything this season

Nobody said Jose needed to rebuild the squad either.

Let's not be silly about this. You know what I'm saying - it's right there at the top pf this page. Expectations crashed into reality. That has consequences.

stevenurse · Mar 11, 2020

I also dont understand why people are taking Jose's quote about not needing a rebuild on face value. No way would he say that now, when the squad is low in both confidence and numbers. He needs this lot to muddle through before swinging the axe in the summer.

WePlayWednesday · Mar 11, 2020

Seems like we jumped out of the frying pan with Pochettino and into the fire with Jose. That said, would it be better to fire Jose and bring back the old guard? No, because they are in many ways responsible for the state the squad is in now.

As awful as the current form is, was Pochettino doing any better before he was fired? No, which is why he was fired.

Would we do better by firing Jose now? No, because whoever comes in will have the same squad with the same issues. Long term the squad is the issue and it needs work, we need to give Jose at least one pre-season and full season to really form an opinion on him.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 11, 2020

stevenurse said:
I also dont understand why people are taking Jose's quote about not needing a rebuild on face value. No way would he say that now, when the squad is low in both confidence and numbers. He needs this lot to muddle through before swinging the axe in the summer.

Didn't he suggest he wouldn't bring anyone in, in January?

Wsussexspur · Mar 11, 2020

Danny1 said:
So in all seriousness then. For those, and there is a lot, saying that Mourinho should be sacked. I ask the question of who we would bring in at this stage?

Who do people believe is out there who could make a drastic change to this current team?

This same team that has now failed Pochettino by getting 24 points from 25 games, and is now failing Mourinho.

Is it not time to actually start to blame these players instead?

Im really split on the whole Jose situation. I’m certainly not a Jose ”hater“ always had soft spot for him. Also I do sympathise that it’s a very difficult situation he finds himself in with the injuries to major players plus the unbalanced squad. I personally feel Daniel Levy has to take a lot more of the blame for the situation we find our selves in.

However we have now lost 5 out of last 6 games and let’s be honest with very limp displays in all games barring possible 45 minutes against Wolves & Burnley, 25 minutes against Norwich and maybe 5/10 minutes last night. None of the players look like they are enjoying playing at the moment. The way the team is set up and the style of play is down to Jose. There appears to be no ambition for the players to actually go out and win games. The negative post game press conferences must also have an impact on the players moral as well. Given this I do think people have the right to certainly question if he is the right man for the job..

I believe Daniel Levy was hoping that when he appointed Jose he would be able to work with this squad for next 2/3 seasons with the odd change here or there and win a trophy or two whilst keeping us in the champions league as well.
Now it is clear for all to see that this squad or the majority of it isn’t good enough or past its best to even contend to win a trophy or qualify for the champions league. IF this is the clubs ambition to be doing those two things then a major overhaul is going up be needed. Is Jose the right man to do this? For me personally given his history and already negative vibes around the club since he took over I really have big doubts he is.

But then again I’m not too sure who is..

stevenurse · Mar 11, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
Didn't he suggest he wouldn't bring anyone in, in January?

Precisely. Only an idiot would suggest the squad doesnt need major surgery. But if he were to say that now he'd get bashed and the usual bollocks about throwing people under the bus would be rolled out. Personally I dont think there's a single player he's handled badly

Thewobbler · Mar 11, 2020

stevenurse said:
I also dont understand why people are taking Jose's quote about not needing a rebuild on face value. No way would he say that now, when the squad is low in both confidence and numbers. He needs this lot to muddle through before swinging the axe in the summer.

When Jose says that the whole bench for Leipzig would get in to our team it pretty much confirms what he thinks of our squad. Rebuild needed. Hope he gets the funds and levy shifts the deadwood

stevenurse · Mar 11, 2020

Wsussexspur said:
Im really split on the whole Jose situation. I’m certainly not a Jose ”hater“ always had soft spot for him. Also I do sympathise that it’s a very difficult situation he finds himself in with the injuries to major players plus the unbalanced squad. I personally feel Daniel Levy has to take a lot more of the blame for the situation we find our selves in.

However we have now lost 5 out of last 6 games and let’s be honest with very limp displays in all games barring possible 45 minutes against Wolves & Burnley, 25 minutes against Norwich and maybe 5/10 minutes last night. None of the players look like they are enjoying playing at the moment. The way the team is set up and the style of play is down to Jose. There appears to be no ambition for the players to actually go out and win games. The negative post game press conferences must also have an impact on the players moral as well. Given this I do think people have the right to certainly question if he is the right man for the job..

I believe Daniel Levy was hoping that when he appointed Jose he would be able to work with this squad for next 2/3 seasons with the odd change here or there and win a trophy or two whilst keeping us in the champions league as well.
Now it is clear for all to see that this squad or the majority of it isn’t good enough or past its best to even contend to win a trophy or qualify for the champions league. IF this is the clubs ambition to be doing those two things then a major overhaul is going up be needed. Is Jose the right man to do this? For me personally given his history and already negative vibes around the club since he took over I really have big doubts he is.

But then again I’m not too sure who is..

You think Jose is enjoying the way we are playing? He's going to be as pissed off as us and the players.

People Conviniently forget all the goals we scored in his early days. Get the defence also sorted and we're going to be really strong next season. It just needs smart business for the first time in living memory

danielneeds · Mar 11, 2020

Thewobbler said:
When Jose says that the whole bench for Leipzig would get in to our team it pretty much confirms what he thinks of our squad. Rebuild needed. Hope he gets the funds and levy shifts the deadwood

You can always hope, I suppose...

Danny1 · Mar 11, 2020

Wsussexspur said:
Im really split on the whole Jose situation. I’m certainly not a Jose ”hater“ always had soft spot for him. Also I do sympathise that it’s a very difficult situation he finds himself in with the injuries to major players plus the unbalanced squad. I personally feel Daniel Levy has to take a lot more of the blame for the situation we find our selves in.

However we have now lost 5 out of last 6 games and let’s be honest with very limp displays in all games barring possible 45 minutes against Wolves & Burnley, 25 minutes against Norwich and maybe 5/10 minutes last night. None of the players look like they are enjoying playing at the moment. The way the team is set up and the style of play is down to Jose. There appears to be no ambition for the players to actually go out and win games. The negative post game press conferences must also have an impact on the players moral as well. Given this I do think people have the right to certainly question if he is the right man for the job..

I believe Daniel Levy was hoping that when he appointed Jose he would be able to work with this squad for next 2/3 seasons with the odd change here or there and win a trophy or two whilst keeping us in the champions league as well.
Now it is clear for all to see that this squad or the majority of it isn’t good enough or past its best to even contend to win a trophy or qualify for the champions league. IF this is the clubs ambition to be doing those two things then a major overhaul is going up be needed. Is Jose the right man to do this? For me personally given his history and already negative vibes around the club since he took over I really have big doubts he is.

But then again I’m not too sure who is..

I don’t disagree with you. The performances haven’t been up to scratch and are resembling those displayed under Poch which is kind of why I’m surprised that there is such vitriol against Jose.

I think the fact is that wanting Mourinho out because he can’t get these players to play, is different to not believing he is the right man to overhaul our squad.

What we have at the minute is a lot of blame being attributed to José yet the players getting away without criticism despite getting Poch sacked, who we all agree has been one of our greatest managers.

I’m not sure is José is the right man to totally revamp our squad or not, however I am not blaming him for these limp performances, my blame goes squarely on the players who are getting paid an enormous amount of money and have been nothing short of disgraceful for nearly 18 months under two managers.

Wsussexspur · Mar 11, 2020

stevenurse said:
You think Jose is enjoying the way we are playing? He's going to be as pissed off as us and the players.

People Conviniently forget all the goals we scored in his early days. Get the defence also sorted and we're going to be really strong next season. It just needs smart business for the first time in living memory

But he is the one setting the team up.. with the safety first tactics.

lets not forget in his early days there were some pretty shocking performances When he had a fully fit squad..Che
sea at home, Brighton, Southampton.

Let’s be clear a lot of the players do have to take there of the blame players players like Aurier keep making basic mistakes game after game. Also Jose has been let down by the so called leaders in the squad Lloris, Ali, Alderwield etc. The club is one massive mess! That’s not on Jose! Only one man to blame for that and Arguable can get us out of this mess in Daniel Levy.. I don’t have any confidence he will though

daryl hannah · Mar 11, 2020

Danny1 said:
I also hope our fans haven’t decided to be like theirs and demand success when it’s clear we haven’t got the squad to deliver it.

I think the fans are demanding some competence in upper mgmt and some ambition.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 11, 2020

I said it at the time and I'll say it again now - Levy has created the rod for his own back when it comes to hiring Jose. Whether or not you believe Jose is the right man for the job and whether or not you believe he'll be his usual self though out his tenure here, the man wasn't brought in to build another like for like project like we got to see under Poch. If the belief that not giving Jose enough of the tools he needs to work with to turn this club/squad around then this summer is going to be what some fans have always wanted to see, while maybe at the detriment to the club itself, Levy under the microscope. If he is as bright a business man as many of you say he is, genuine or snide dig, then he'll need to show it this summer.

Infrastructure is there to see, time to start paying the piper otherwise ...

Haddock · Mar 11, 2020

This is the second time this season where I just feel totally alienated towards the players, the club, the manager. The first time was of course at the end of Pochettino's tenure. But this is even worse because the first time I actually believed that a new manager could turn things around.

Mourinho has been incredibly unlucky with the injuries and the squad is by all accounts more shattered than anyone could possible have imagined. The task of coming in midseason and getting this group of players to have a second wind was probably a much greater task than any of us thought. That said, Mourinho has to take some blame as well. Surely there must be some conceivable way of setting up this team so that it minimizes the individual mistakes? / Plays to the squads strengths instead. There must be, in the football coach handbook, some kind of halt and catch fire-mode that aims to just stop the goals leaking in?

Mourinho and his coaching crew does 'deserve' (...yeah I don't like the expression but in lack of a better term) a pre-season, a transfer window, and a fit squad to work before we start swinging the axe. We went downhill pretty fast but things can also change fast but I must admit it does look grim.

It's very hard to find any positives at the moment and it's quite telling that I absolutely dread the thought of watching us play these last 9 matches of the season.

Danny1 · Mar 11, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I think the fans are demanding some competence in upper mgmt and some ambition.

Now that I totally agree with and would hope that Levy isn’t stupid enough to hire Mourinho and not back him ?

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