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Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

spursfan77

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Brilliant brilliant read, really fascinating stuff - when you break it down like this you actually realise how far we are away from a return to football.

Yep but at the same time theres the over arching spectre of those that have no idea of sport making the decisions and who are removed from the reality of it. They're lurking in the background waiting to make the wrong decision where they can!
 

Shadydan

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Yep but at the same time theres the over arching spectre of those that have no idea of sport making the decisions and who are removed from the reality of it. They're lurking in the background waiting to make the wrong decision where they can!

I reckon the players have the power here, all it takes is for a few of them to pull out due to the reasons stated in the article, once that happens then I think clubs will be reluctant to carry on.
 

Jay.

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It's such an English attitude to try to be different from everyone else, France and Holland can do it without the world ending so why can't we. Abandon the season. Restart in August. Re run this sseason, which means we'll be back in the Champs League. Simple.
.... maybe even Poch would be back in chage. :whistle:
 

vegassd

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The reasons why it causes animosity is why should these clubs be given tests (even privately paid for) if their is a shortage for NHS/Care Homes etc. Also add to that if even if matches were on TV, people would still congregate outside grounds, at peoples houses to watch them
Whilst there isn't the testing capacity in place at the moment that doesn't mean that there won't be in June. The ramp up of testing capacity has been significant and it will continue to grow - the bottleneck on testing so far has been the processing and the accessibility. So it is quite feasible that in 4 weeks time there will be plenty of kit available for the FA to purchase, and they can either administer/process those tests themselves or make sure that each club has a trained member of staff who can do it on a per team basis.

I think the point about congregations is the bigger stumbling block. It would be easy to police things outside of a stadium but impossible to police people going to each other's homes. And that's not just about a small bunch of idiots - there will be many thousands of people who are very confident they aren't contagious and make what they deem to be safe trips.

On the flip side of all that I would guess that given another 4 weeks people will start visiting family etc. anyway, regardless of if the football is back or not. The scientific advice actually makes allowances for the amount of population who will disregard the official advice and that number must surely grow the longer the lockdown goes on, so my guess would be that the next lockdown review will allow travel to see family members.

So with that in mind, and given that the football suits have nothing else to do, it makes sense that they would be planning the logistics for a start in 4-5 weeks time. If the government shuts the whole thing down then it goes out the window, but if that start window becomes available and they haven't planned for it we would all be missing out.
 

Mr Pink

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Brilliant brilliant read, really fascinating stuff - when you break it down like this you actually realise how far we are away from a return to football.

It's a great read. Really hits the nail on the head in terms of the complexties of bringing football back too soon.

Yet some think its a relatively simple decision/process ?
 

wayneg

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Whilst there isn't the testing capacity in place at the moment that doesn't mean that there won't be in June. The ramp up of testing capacity has been significant and it will continue to grow - the bottleneck on testing so far has been the processing and the accessibility. So it is quite feasible that in 4 weeks time there will be plenty of kit available for the FA to purchase, and they can either administer/process those tests themselves or make sure that each club has a trained member of staff who can do it on a per team basis.

I think the point about congregations is the bigger stumbling block. It would be easy to police things outside of a stadium but impossible to police people going to each other's homes. And that's not just about a small bunch of idiots - there will be many thousands of people who are very confident they aren't contagious and make what they deem to be safe trips.

On the flip side of all that I would guess that given another 4 weeks people will start visiting family etc. anyway, regardless of if the football is back or not. The scientific advice actually makes allowances for the amount of population who will disregard the official advice and that number must surely grow the longer the lockdown goes on, so my guess would be that the next lockdown review will allow travel to see family members.

So with that in mind, and given that the football suits have nothing else to do, it makes sense that they would be planning the logistics for a start in 4-5 weeks time. If the government shuts the whole thing down then it goes out the window, but if that start window becomes available and they haven't planned for it we would all be missing out.

Whilst I agree with all of that, like you said the congregations are the biggest stumbling block:- yes it would be easy to police outside stadiums etc, but is that a great use of resources even in 4 weeks, added to that my point isnt really about an average match, it would be when Liverpool win the league:- I would belive that would lead to street parties, house parties and whilst some people are flouting the law, I dont think the governments figures would take into account such a large scale event.

See what Liverpool Mayor has said - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52484530

I believe the biggest stumbling block to be the 30th June - for contracts / sponsorship reasons - I believe it to be totally unsafe in the current climate to get the season finished by then.

If season can be extended, which legally I dont think it can, as players don't have to extend contracts for a month etc then yes possibly this season can be salvaged as I think playing into July / August would be more feasible. I just think at the present time and even though deaths are going down, we are still at 400 a day, its just ridiculous in my eyes for a start in 4-5 weeks time given the current advice (yes I know this can change - but imo there will be still strict measures in place in 4 weeks time) not to mention how are players getting up to fitness, warm up matches etc. players are not machines, its not like 20-30 years ago, there is science behind being match ready.
 
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Hotspur88

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It's out there now anyway.



Although.....



I didn't realise the date had been openly discussed but I gave more info than just the date. Shit times when you give genuine info and some try and give you a hard time, that's why I took it down. It's no wonder some ITK get pissed off on here.
 

Yid-ol

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I didn't realise the date had been openly discussed but I gave more info than just the date. Shit times when you give genuine info and some try and give you a hard time, that's why I took it down. It's no wonder some ITK get pissed off on here.

Ok Sam Smith, calm down.
 

SpunkyBackpack

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Seems to be quite a bit leaking out ahead of the PL meeting tomorrow all pointing towards them getting it up and running on top of that Gary Neville one.




Their entire face? Sweet, I'm well up for lucha football.

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Yid-ol

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Seems to be quite a bit leaking out ahead of the PL meeting tomorrow all pointing towards them getting it up and running on top of that Gary Neville one.




I just hope they have still been thinking of other plans incase anything changes, would hate to think they are putting all their eggs in one basket.
 

coys200

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Nicole Sturgeon has just said May 7th will be to early to lift ANY restrictions and made a strong point about traffic being up. Today Is Boris first press briefing back I’d expect he will go very strong.
 

NickHSpurs

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I’m not sure what we’re worrying about, we all know something Spursy will happen and Kane will come down with the virus the day before going back into camp
 

spursfan77

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I didn't realise the date had been openly discussed but I gave more info than just the date. Shit times when you give genuine info and some try and give you a hard time, that's why I took it down. It's no wonder some ITK get pissed off on here.

Nor did I (or Gary Neville by the looks of things), that’s why I posted it to tell you.
 

Spurs 1961

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f it is unsafe, so why the objection? What integrity? You don't make sense.

Kebab shops are open. Bankers are going to work via public transport. etc. etc. These activities present far greater risks to the vulnerable and delay the flattening of the curve, so why is s
To some degree yes, it's the safest idea. I know the NBA have talked about something like that for them. Issue is still though if someone there catches the virus. That'll fuck up the whole thing cause then everyone will have to self isolate which almost makes bringing it back in the first place pointless.

There's then the practical issues like the mental health of the players, 6 weeks in one complex (likely without their friends or family) will be insanely taxing on them and one many may not want to do. Then of course the physical issues of if anyone gets injured and how much pressure that'll put on our already taxed NHS.

I get that money talks and people want the season to continue and BCD is likely the best way to go, especially in one neutral location, but the reality of it still doesn't sound like it'll work/ be worth it/ we'll be ready for it.

Doing it in one location is the safest option if they do it.... but a safer option is just not doing it at all and working on getting a full 2020/21 season as fifa are starting to say we should plan for.


Spot on post!

So what happens if a few days in a player is ill? Surely they - players, medics, refs etc - will all need 14 days quarantine before. If one person is ill during the 6 weeks then that is the end
 

Stavrogin

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I believe there are other factors rather than just the safety of players - I do believe they can carry it out 'safely' in a controlled enviornment if players / backroom staff were rigourosly tested and isolated in their teams.

The reasons why it causes animosity is why should these clubs be given tests (even privately paid for) if their is a shortage for NHS/Care Homes etc. Also add to that if even if matches were on TV, people would still congregate outside grounds, at peoples houses to watch them, if the season starts back it is envitable that Liverpool will win the league, teams avoiding relegation are you saying fans are going to celebrate this in the comfort of their own house whilst self isolating? Also Kebab shops are not forced to open, they can close, banks are an ESSENTIAL business whereas the Premier League is not - so why should players risk it not only for themselves but other family members they may have such as pregnant wives/girfrineds etc.

This is why I have a problem with how people are responding to this. You're making fair points but they don't strictly apply to the problem (as we were discussing it - see Mr. Pink's lack of content) and so it almost starts to become a form of moralizing. Which really irks me because this is the kind of mechanism that is being used to shift scrutiny and blame away from the government (who have mismanaged this on every level at every point in time) onto some guy sunbathing in the park. (I'm not saying you're doing that, just explaining why I'm sensitive to it)

For example, you ask why should football be given tests when they are needed elsewhere - But it's surely going to be the case that won't happen. No one wants that to happen. If there's not a glut of tests available by the time they're needed, then football won't happen. But by assuming there's this potential conflict, people are demonising football and anyone who would be making such plans - despite that everyone everywhere is making such plans.

Then there's another level to it, which is that it probably is possible for a rich entity like the PL to take needed resources if it wished. Much like the celebrities getting tested with ease. But it's wrong to blame idris elba or whoever. We have a system that is designed specifically to put these resources and their dissemination into the hands of the rich. See in the US how they bought in ventilators and then gave them to private companies to sell to whoever they wished. Or how we outsourced our drive-in testing to Deloitte. So when people were denying such a thing is possible, it's almost like a denial of the inquities that have helped excerbate this crisis, or a way to blame the symptoms rather than the problem.
 
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