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I guess I was reflecting poorly then. Thanks for double checking. Looking at some of those players though, I'd say that some weren't duds to the extent of Janssen, Njie or Nkoudou.Ill start this by saying its great to hear Mourinho say he wants to target plays with mental fortitude. That leaves me optimistic were looking for the right sort of thing.
Mourinho didnt say that when he arrived. He said the opposite. He said he appreciated the fact that for once there was honesty from the owners about the resources and expectations and that he was happy with that.
Happy to be corrected with a link but otherwise dont pretend Mourinho is voicing your opinion.
I was interested to see whether you were right. So I checked, going back to 2015 (time to see what happened to duds under Klopp).
Karius - 2 years before being sold
Ings - 4 years
Clyne - 5 years. Unsold, just left on a free.
Benteke - 1 year, sold at 15m loss.
Grujic - 4.5 years and unsold.
What stood out was that they bought remarkably few duds in that time but they havent been particularly good at selling them. Benteke is the exception but the sold him for a big loss.
Chelsea's turn.
Morata - 2 years.
Bakayoko - 3 years unsold
Drinkwater - 3 years unsold
Zappacosta - 3 years unsold
These 4 alone are standing at a total of 105m in wasted money from that summer (10m loss on Morata, others big fees and negligible loan fees recouped on unsold players).
Batshuyai - 4 years unsold.
Luiz - 3 years, 26m loss
Baba Abdul Rahmen - 5 years, unsold
Kenedy - 5 years, unsold
Michael Hector - 4.5 years
Nathan - 5 years
Papy Djilobodji - 1 year
Chelsea have lost a very large amount of money on bad players that it has taken them 18 months or less to sell 1 time out of 11. That was the last player on the list who was sold to Sunderland. Perhaps equivalent to our Wimmer deal with Stoke.
They key difference is that Liverpool and Chelsea have loaned these duds out more often. That liberates room in the squad lists and avoids having an unhappy character around. However it does nothing for their sale price or even their capacity to be sold (perhaps surprisingly!).
Conclusion: Liverpool and Chelsea do have problems selling players who have not been a success. 75% of the time (12 out of 16) they take three years or longer to be sold and this is often done at a loss (huge losses in Chelsea's case).
Morata, Batshuayi and Luiz still had levels of success. Even Bakayoko featured frequently for Chelsea. I think this keeps the players in the eye of others.
Although maybe we just bought really poor players