Match Threads Spurs v Everton - Match Thread - Day 1
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Phil-spur99
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Spot on
spursbhoy67
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I have been around the game a long time and have seen first hand when players stop enjoying their football. The mood takes over the dressing room and can be compounded when players come back from international breaks. They talk with their international teammates about training, what it is like to play for the club manager and it becomes mentally hard to raise their game every time especially when chasing from behind.
Playing for Klopp, Bielsa, Lampard, Pep, Ancellotti, Rodgers and Ole would be more exciting for me right now than playing for Jose. It has to be the same for some of our players. You have to enjoy playing for your team and your manager and we have a lot of good players who could fall into that category.
Think about your job and when you don't like your boss. Are you motivated to do your best? Probably not. This is a job to the players and they approach it the same way. They want to enjoy it and they don't seem to be enjoying playing for the manager judging by the majority of performances since he came in.
This is a group of players who see themselves as top four players and they are not playing top four style football. They are being asked to play in a manner better suited to relegation threatened and mediocre international teams.
I want him to be successful but Mourinho has some issues to address.
Playing for Klopp, Bielsa, Lampard, Pep, Ancellotti, Rodgers and Ole would be more exciting for me right now than playing for Jose. It has to be the same for some of our players. You have to enjoy playing for your team and your manager and we have a lot of good players who could fall into that category.
Think about your job and when you don't like your boss. Are you motivated to do your best? Probably not. This is a job to the players and they approach it the same way. They want to enjoy it and they don't seem to be enjoying playing for the manager judging by the majority of performances since he came in.
This is a group of players who see themselves as top four players and they are not playing top four style football. They are being asked to play in a manner better suited to relegation threatened and mediocre international teams.
I want him to be successful but Mourinho has some issues to address.
Johnny J
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Play the ball, not the man. People are entitled to their opinions, good or bad. You don't need to insult people.
Dr Know
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Can't disagree with that but there is also a psychological aspect to consider here. Players tend to up their game when they have world class players around them, even a player like James, more than likely made the players around him better. Allan had a great debut today also, can you imagine what that did for the team? I felt the Everton players fed off the new guys and we were outplayed in every department than our "better players" I get your point about not having a plan but Maureen has been a serial winner for most of his career, I don't think he's forgotten how to plan or the tactics of the game. In regards to the players buying into his plan, they seem to have done that after the restart, so I don't think that's the issue
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Like most in here, I suspect, I watch a lot of different sports. Today, for example, I've watched stage 15 of the Tour de France. From flag to tape Team Jumbo Visma had a plan. They knew what they had to do, and when. I'm now listening to the cricket. Both England and Australia are working through the plans they talked about before the game. How to bowl to certain batsmen, when to go on the attack and when to defend the score.
Can anybody, hand on heart, describe what our plan was today? Even take a punt? Can we really say that the team have looked at last season, identified some areas to work on, and put that into action?
We were playing Everton. We know they are a decent enough side. Not a walkover, and have definitely made some good signings to move forward. But they're not Liverpool, or Man City. There should have been something identifiable that we were trying to do, something proactive. We should, even as humble bloody fans, have been able to notice what we were working on in training this week. What was it? Because I couldn't see it.
That's the most disappointing thing, for me. Not that our first touch is abysmal, that our movement is non-existent, or that we stand off all over the pitch. It's that we don't seem to be implementing any kind of plan. We have no identity. I'll forgive fault in the name of a cause, but not a failure to plan.
Can anybody, hand on heart, describe what our plan was today? Even take a punt? Can we really say that the team have looked at last season, identified some areas to work on, and put that into action?
We were playing Everton. We know they are a decent enough side. Not a walkover, and have definitely made some good signings to move forward. But they're not Liverpool, or Man City. There should have been something identifiable that we were trying to do, something proactive. We should, even as humble bloody fans, have been able to notice what we were working on in training this week. What was it? Because I couldn't see it.
That's the most disappointing thing, for me. Not that our first touch is abysmal, that our movement is non-existent, or that we stand off all over the pitch. It's that we don't seem to be implementing any kind of plan. We have no identity. I'll forgive fault in the name of a cause, but not a failure to plan.
Mr Pink
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Grealish could play in a three, AM, point is he'd bring us a lot more creativity
Totally different type of player compared to Sancho.
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Man do you see the bullshit of your post?
Any organised team with a half-decent coach will see that, prepare for it and nullify it. Which is what Ancelotti and Everton did today.
Where did Anchelloti finish last season? It's hyperbole after one game, and its fucking embarrassing.
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We have zero creativity.
Since Eriksen left (and in his last months too) we have nobody who can dictate play. Nobody who is truly comfortable on the ball and can play quickly with their head up. We need playmakers. We need FOOTBALLERS. We have athletes.
We boiught Lo Celso to do this but so far he looks like he will be more of a grafter for us. Capble of flair, but more a Lamela vs Eriksen type of player.
For years we always said we needed another playmaker to fill in for Eriksen when he was injured as we really struggled to create in games without him. Instead of finding that critical second creative spark, we now have none.
Since Eriksen left (and in his last months too) we have nobody who can dictate play. Nobody who is truly comfortable on the ball and can play quickly with their head up. We need playmakers. We need FOOTBALLERS. We have athletes.
We boiught Lo Celso to do this but so far he looks like he will be more of a grafter for us. Capble of flair, but more a Lamela vs Eriksen type of player.
For years we always said we needed another playmaker to fill in for Eriksen when he was injured as we really struggled to create in games without him. Instead of finding that critical second creative spark, we now have none.
Dr Know
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TBH I think maybe emotions and drink might play a part of most of those who watched the game today......let the dude vent
Prime Pirlo and Xavi wouldn't solve our problems.
I'm not sure we have more than one player with a picture in their mind of what's around them and knows how to construct a move that isn't give it to the Wideman and leg it into the box.
You just have to look at how many players want the ball when a man is in possession. (It's very few)
Let's face it, our actual passing game has been shit for years, now the legs and desire seem to be going the same way.
And so many players whose first touch is (a generous) 50/50.
The only time we look half decent is when teams are open to the counter attack, and even then it's massively hit and miss.
Poch built a team of athletes with very few technically gifted players. We've never really corrected that, in fact we've lost eriksen and dembele so we've probably made things worse. We are so desperately short of players who actually want the ball and knows what to do with it when they get it but instead we plough on with try hards like Moura, Winks and Sissoko.
I agree it’s only one game but I also agree that Everton were good and could have scored 2or 3. Had Doherty scored would things have panned out differently? What is certain the Sissoko sub was a disaster. As much as I don’t like criticising our players he is not the greatest footballer and should be used sparingly if at all. We must be able to sign someone better. I personally don’t think anyone came out of this game with much credit. However when Bale comes home ?
Norgie
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Right I watched the game whilst cooking a roast so didn't watch it with full concentration, however the bits I did see I saw Everton with most possession. We did have some great chances however, Doc nearly scored and Son should have setup Harry instead of Alli (although if Alli would have scored we wouldn't be saying that). I'm not panicking, lets just breath and hope the next game will have more purpose. I haven't read the rest of the thread but I can guess what is being said, it's early days lads, yes it wasn't a great result but lets give them time.
Johnny J
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I'm just fed up of seeing insults against people who dare post anything negative. Same as all the "bedwetter" comments.TBH I think maybe emotions and drink might play a part of most of those who watched the game today......let the dude vent
Saoirse
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Everyone else seems very happy to abuse our entire team and management for one bad half after a bizarre pre season
Phil-spur99
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I don’t understand why the players don’t analyse their own performances and see indivdually and as a group that the same problems that have been there for 18 months are still there. Based on the Amazon doc. How can they go from the dressing room to the pitch and in the time forget all of the talk about desire, aggression and intensity? It’s not like Jose is not saying it to them but every time we are so passive. They shouldn’t need to be told every game, that side of things should be a given every game.
tobi
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The only difference between this style of play and the last 18 months of Poch was that the latter didn't set the team up to counter attack in every game.
The players are the constant, there is something deeply wrong with them, it's no surprise Jose keeps preaching confidence, mentality etc in the Amazon documentary.
I know it's not the only difference
freeeki
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I wouldn’t be sad to see us sell and replace all three of Winks, Sissoko and Davies before the window closes, tbh.
The reality is, those windows of not signing anyone are still affecting us. Yes we’ve shifted a little bit of dead wood but in reality this shows we’re still a good 6 signings away from being where we need to be.
If we leave it another year to make them, then there’ll be yet more replacements needed.
You’ve got to hope we’re looking to sign at least 4 more now and at least 2 in January if we’re to genuinely challenge for anything at all.
The reality is, those windows of not signing anyone are still affecting us. Yes we’ve shifted a little bit of dead wood but in reality this shows we’re still a good 6 signings away from being where we need to be.
If we leave it another year to make them, then there’ll be yet more replacements needed.
You’ve got to hope we’re looking to sign at least 4 more now and at least 2 in January if we’re to genuinely challenge for anything at all.
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