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Match Threads Spurs v Everton - Match Thread - Day 1

Match Prediction

  • Our First Win of the Season

    Votes: 166 55.7%
  • Our First Loss of the Season

    Votes: 71 23.8%
  • Our First Score Draw of the Season

    Votes: 51 17.1%
  • Our First Goalless Draw of the Season

    Votes: 10 3.4%

  • Total voters
    298

stov

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No, but perhaps they didn't have as many international call-ups, didn't have any Covid cases, and didn't inherit a squad in huge decline far from meeting its expectations. Maybe they also just had a bit of luck. In another world, even if Richarlison scores, we go in 2-1 up after the Kane, Dele and Doherty chances and its a very different game. Shit happens. Negativity based on the opening match, especially in these circumstances, is just ludicrous.
That just sounds like a lot of excuses. But i suppose when we are playing attacking winning football in a couple of months I'll look like a reactionary dickhead.
 

Rusta81

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I agree with you. Passing responsibility in games is something players lacking in confidence, who play with fear or who don't like their manager do constantly. We have a lot of players passing responsibility right now.
I think they are behind the manager , they just aren’t very good . Our two worldies up front played with zero pride today. Not offering anything to the rest of the team in movement or effort. They should lead by example. In terms of quality we are short , very short .... unless possible key players find form.
 

dagraham

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Everton didn't get the memo regarding you are not allowed to spend because of covid, seems we have been hoodwinked again piss poor performance from a team and club that have nothing to offer.

We’ve basically sacrificed on field quality for facilities and this is the result. I don’t think we’ve seen the worst of the decline yet either.
 

Goobers

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Jul 29, 2011
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I was quite optimistic at half time and thought Pickford's two saves had really kept them in the game as I thought if we took the lead it wouldn't be lost.
However I thought the change mad eat halftime backfired which I suppose can happen and then we lost dynamism. INterstsing that Carlo did exactly to us what Jose did to him in the last game at the land one the lead was taken.
Not going to eb too reactionary but I do think this next four week period is goign to be really tough and I wouldn't be surprised if we go out of one of the cups and have some mixed results in the league before we pick up and getting some proprer rest between games and also our new players in the door.
 

neogenisis

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Jun 27, 2006
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I thought we were ok until the half time sub. Then we were pure shit.

Not rocket science we take off our only midfielder who can actually pass the ball (winks) and we had no creativity. We didn't press as a team and as they have quality on the ball they just passed through us. Dele was a nuisance and without him they were more relaxed and could pass through us.

Their midfield is exactly what we needed, we should have signed them all.

Positive note, Everton look bloody good and could challenge for top 4 imo. Jose has to take the blame for this, no shape, no flow, no midfield.

Maybe, I am so much more inclined to believe that Spurs are so very good at making average look like Barcelona in there heyday.
 
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jimmyh

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How does everyone think our shiny new stadium is going to look in the Championship next season if we persist with the hater of football Mourinho. Please Sky come back in now and offer him his job back.
 

Neon_Knight_

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Disappointing and frustrating to watch, but a lot of you seem to be forgetting what Lo Celso normally contributes (i.e. the key ingredients that we were missing today, when in possession).

Last season, when Mourinho first came in we played on the counter with every opponent controlling possession. Then Lo Celso was introduced as a regular starter and we started have more possession and generally looked more solid and more creative.

Today, without Lo Celso, the opposition controlled the ball and our best chance came from a counter attack (when Son passed to Alli instead of Kane).
 

freeeki

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How does everyone think our shiny new stadium is going to look in the Championship next season if we persist with the hater of football Mourinho. Please Sky come back in now and offer him his job back.

Group of players which hasn’t been properly refreshed and strengthened for years plays shite for a year under Poch.

Same group of players play shite under Mourinho.

If you think the common denominator here is Mourinho then I can’t help you.
 

stov

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How does everyone think our shiny new stadium is going to look in the Championship next season if we persist with the hater of football Mourinho. Please Sky come back in now and offer him his job back.
We aren't going down. There are far worse teams than us. But its still going to be a miserable mediocre season.
 

kieranfitchett

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today just reiterates the point that the lopsided back 4 system just does not work, davies sitting deep alongside the CBs allowed james far too much space and doherty pushing up gave richarlison a free run at the toby/dier. need to switch it to a 4-3-3 with both full backs pushing an even amount
 

stov

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Group of players which hasn’t been properly refreshed and strengthened for years plays shite for a year under Poch.

Same group of players play shite under Mourinho.

If you think the common denominator here is Mourinho then I can’t help you.
But he's making things worse with his negative tactics and bizarre substitutions.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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I still say Sanchez is our best defender. We need athleticism at the back along with brains.

Mourinho has to be more adventurous and has to play Ndombele.

Lloris
Doherty
Sanchez
Dier
New left back

Ndombele
PEH
Lo Celso

Son
Kane
Alli.
 
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Trotter

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No need to overreact to the first game of the season. The team didn't look in sync which is expected considering half the starting XI were away at internationals and have not trained together. Doherty didn't even start training with the squad until Tuesday this week.

The defense was solid outside of the set-piece goal. The only good chance Everton had was the bad pass from Davies that setup Richarlson on the one on one chance he missed. Besides that Everton only had long passes to Richarlson or DCL who took difficult shots and rarely tested Lloris.

In attack, Doherty and Dele had really good chances that were saved by Pickford. Lucas, Son and Dele and Son were really bad today I'll admit but we know what kind of players they will be this season. Kane was marked out by good defense on Everton who had two guys on him at all times.

You realise Everton had 9 away at international matches, and one of their best players wasn't even an Everton player this time last week.
It might be OK to say we were slugglish in comparison to opponents in some circumstances, but when our opponents had exactly the same build-up to the game, that is just excuse making without any justification at all.

I suppose you also have forgotten Richarlison have 2 very clear cut chances from inside the box in the second half both of which he put wide, our defense was not solid, it was slow and ponderous.
And you haven't even mentioned the worst area of our game. Winks and Hojbjerg were totally overrun in midfield, and it didn't matter what combination we put out there in second half, we were still overrun. Hojbjerg being the answer to all our midfield problems I have heard said, well that was as poor a debut as I can remember from a player for a long time.
Apart from an even first 10 minutes, and 10 minutes at end of first half when we looked reasonable, we were second best the whole game, and the scoreline does not reflect the game, if they had won by 2 or 3, we couldn't complain.

Reality may start to settle in to some of our supporters. We are not a good team, have gone backwards for a couple of seasons (XG had us finishing 12th in the League last year) and I fully expect that to continue into this, we have a very hard fixture list (with Europa League qualifiers starting this week, and all games being fitted into 8 months rather than the usual 9) and are not an enjoyable team to watch. Mourinho will do well to get us Top 6, although I think with his tactics, and the personnel at our disposal, together with the fixture list, (and I can see him prioritising Europa towards end of season) I do doubt we will get it. Our true competition this season will be Arsenal (hopefully), Everton, Leicester, Wolves etc, and we have just dropped 3 points at home to the first of them, and they looked on a totally different level to us.
 

Chimbo!

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How does everyone think our shiny new stadium is going to look in the Championship next season if we persist with the hater of football Mourinho. Please Sky come back in now and offer him his job back.
The football is bad to watch but in fairness to Mourinho, we were 4th best team since he took over last season. So things aren’t THAT desperate. It is, however, a worrying start.
 

shelfboy68

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We aren't going down. There are far worse teams than us. But its still going to be a miserable mediocre season.
Definitely won't go down but also won't challenge for fuck all either absolute dog shit from the club at large.
 

Donki

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We’ve basically sacrificed on field quality for facilities and this is the result. I don’t think we’ve seen the worst of the decline yet either.

Fan bases have no patience is basically it, we were never gonna compete long term at the old White Hart Lane, the club long term is more than a generational thing. the problem we have is in society as a whole we want everything NOW, NOW, NOW. Could we get a billionaire owner who splashes the cash of course buts its not guaranteed.
 
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