BringBack_leGin
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Bale gag?
Jose Mourinho
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tiger666
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Isn't that a piece of BDSM equipment?
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As much as people seem to think otherwise, he's tried to revert to a "director of football/head coach" model at least 3 times during the ENIC tenure?
Arnesen / Santini
Arnesen / Jol
Comolli / Jol
Comolli / Ramos
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Redknapp
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Baldini / AVB (Sherwood)
Baldini / Poch
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Pochettino (after he complained about not being 'manager'. Not sure if Mitchell was ever considered a DoF inbetween)
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Mourinho / (Hitchen or Birch?)
Mourinho seems to be more than happy not being too involved with transfers, which is great, because there's obviously something different happened which is really working.
Birch is 'Director of Football (operations)' and Hitchen is 'Head of Recruitment and Development' I think, so I'm not sure who it's down to.
Arguably, Mourinho has been his dream manager for a long time, so it's possible AVB was chosen for that reason (having been seen as 'the next Special One')
Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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Yes, without a doubt. Good observation about AVB. I never thought about that before.
sidford
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The other lad on podcast put it out on twitter that bale failed a medical as a joke and then was hammered for it so backtracked and tried to make out it wasn't a joke. Was a shit show to be honest and a number of people on here weren't Impressed including myself
rossdapep
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Just watched Solskjaers pre-match presser.
He came across like a 20 year old interviewee.
Journos asking him about transfers and he's trying to explain about these difficult times and money etc. I understand English isn't his first language but it's more down to his nervousness in answering it, he's a bit all over the place.
When Jose used to get asked that question he'd be blunt or would say he'd prefer not to talk. Really naive from Solskjaer.
Can see why Jose prefers not to go into stuff like that cause you can get twisted up pretty quickly.
He came across like a 20 year old interviewee.
Journos asking him about transfers and he's trying to explain about these difficult times and money etc. I understand English isn't his first language but it's more down to his nervousness in answering it, he's a bit all over the place.
When Jose used to get asked that question he'd be blunt or would say he'd prefer not to talk. Really naive from Solskjaer.
Can see why Jose prefers not to go into stuff like that cause you can get twisted up pretty quickly.
SpursD22
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So I just had a conversation/ discussion with my friend who’s also a Spurs fan and we talked about objectives and expectations for the seasons. He’s a big Jose fan me I’m not sure of him. For me the most important thing is to get back to the CL. He just wants us to win a trophy, of course I would love us to win a trophy but imo CL is better and more important than a League Cup / FA. Anyways as we were talking I realised how “little” pressure Jose actually has and I think he likes it like this, but when I look at our squad, how much he’s earning and how good we were with Poch maybe we should expect us to win the league this season if not next season. With Poch we got to a CL final and was very good 16/17 and a part of me always felt Levy sacked him because he wants the club to get to the next level which is win the League / CL.
If you compare our squad with the 2 title challenges our squad isn’t much worse if not maybe even better.
Goalkeepers: Lloris is better than Ederson and similar level to Alisson.
Fullbacks: Man City doesn’t have a good LB and Liverpool don’t have a “real” back up RB + Tsimikas is fairly inexperienced at this level. We have bought Reguilon who’s a exciting and very good LB and Doherty who’s statistically good going forward. Davies & Aurier not bad backups.
CB: City have a bit of a problem but they just bought Dias and have Laporte. But I’m not very convinced of Ake, Stones and Fernandinho at CB. Liverpool heavily relies on Van Dijk and then have 2 good CB’s in Matip and Gomez but after them only have young players or have to play Fabinho at CB. We tbf doesn’t have the best CB also, Dier still a question mark at a back 2 if you ask me, Toby has declined, Sanchez I like but not the most reliable and Tanganga good but still young. But if we buy Skriniar that’s a world class CB
Midfielders: City not as strong as they used to be with Fernandinho aging and playing CB and Silva leaving. Rodri who I rate highly has not impressed at all so far, Gundogan is a bit of a mixed bag and Foden still very young. But De Bruyne and Bernardo are world class. Liverpool have a steady DM in Fabinho, just bought Thiago who is world class, Keita very good, Milner & Henderson work horses, Wijnaldum also a work horse but a bit more technical and can score, Ox meh, Jones and Elliott still young, Grujic likely to go out on loan again. Liverpool added very needed creativity in their midfield. We bought Højbjerg who’s a good presser but not really a DM. We have Lo Celso & Ndombele who have world class abilities, Winks a decent squad player, Sissoko..., Gedson depth, and Alli if stays a different type of midfielder who can get a lot of goals & assists. We still lack a DM and a creative attacking midfielder but our midfield at least on paper can form a very good trio
Wingers: City have Sterling who will get a lot of goals + assists in Pep system, Mahrez have world class ability but after that not much. Bernardo more of a midfielder and Ferran Torres young who just came to the club. Liverpool have Salah & Mane who are world class and Jota very good back up but other than that not much, Shaqiri likely to leave. We have Son who is world class, Bale who on his day is world class but unfortunately injury prone. Lucas a Jose favourite who works hard but shouldn’t be a starter. Bergwijn already a good player with huge potential, Lamela a pressing machine
Strikers: City have Aguero who is still world class but aging and injury prone and Gabriel Jesus who is still young and a good backup. Both are currently injured. Liverpool doesn’t play with a real striker but Firmino imo hasn’t been as good as he used to be and Minamino is still adapting. The only real striker they have is Origi and their fans want him gone, he constantly plays bad. We have Kane who is world class but unfortunately injury prone but now have bought Carlos Vinicius who can be a very good backup
So our squad as I said is not that much worse if not as good of even better as City & Liverpool. Conte won the league on his first season with Chelsea, Mourinho is the second highest earner only behind Pep so with the huge money we’re paying him should we expect him to win the league? I mean having a manager who earns that much, have the squad that we have and how close we were to win the league & CL should we be very happy content and if he wins us a cup and get us to the CL? I know us as a club isn’t as big as the rest of the top 6 and we haven’t won anything for 12 years but I think other teams would expect more from the manager if he earns that much and has that squad
And lastly I want to clarify that if we win a cup and get back to CL I will be happy, I won’t say Jose has failed to win the league. But my expectations would be higher for next season
If you compare our squad with the 2 title challenges our squad isn’t much worse if not maybe even better.
Goalkeepers: Lloris is better than Ederson and similar level to Alisson.
Fullbacks: Man City doesn’t have a good LB and Liverpool don’t have a “real” back up RB + Tsimikas is fairly inexperienced at this level. We have bought Reguilon who’s a exciting and very good LB and Doherty who’s statistically good going forward. Davies & Aurier not bad backups.
CB: City have a bit of a problem but they just bought Dias and have Laporte. But I’m not very convinced of Ake, Stones and Fernandinho at CB. Liverpool heavily relies on Van Dijk and then have 2 good CB’s in Matip and Gomez but after them only have young players or have to play Fabinho at CB. We tbf doesn’t have the best CB also, Dier still a question mark at a back 2 if you ask me, Toby has declined, Sanchez I like but not the most reliable and Tanganga good but still young. But if we buy Skriniar that’s a world class CB
Midfielders: City not as strong as they used to be with Fernandinho aging and playing CB and Silva leaving. Rodri who I rate highly has not impressed at all so far, Gundogan is a bit of a mixed bag and Foden still very young. But De Bruyne and Bernardo are world class. Liverpool have a steady DM in Fabinho, just bought Thiago who is world class, Keita very good, Milner & Henderson work horses, Wijnaldum also a work horse but a bit more technical and can score, Ox meh, Jones and Elliott still young, Grujic likely to go out on loan again. Liverpool added very needed creativity in their midfield. We bought Højbjerg who’s a good presser but not really a DM. We have Lo Celso & Ndombele who have world class abilities, Winks a decent squad player, Sissoko..., Gedson depth, and Alli if stays a different type of midfielder who can get a lot of goals & assists. We still lack a DM and a creative attacking midfielder but our midfield at least on paper can form a very good trio
Wingers: City have Sterling who will get a lot of goals + assists in Pep system, Mahrez have world class ability but after that not much. Bernardo more of a midfielder and Ferran Torres young who just came to the club. Liverpool have Salah & Mane who are world class and Jota very good back up but other than that not much, Shaqiri likely to leave. We have Son who is world class, Bale who on his day is world class but unfortunately injury prone. Lucas a Jose favourite who works hard but shouldn’t be a starter. Bergwijn already a good player with huge potential, Lamela a pressing machine
Strikers: City have Aguero who is still world class but aging and injury prone and Gabriel Jesus who is still young and a good backup. Both are currently injured. Liverpool doesn’t play with a real striker but Firmino imo hasn’t been as good as he used to be and Minamino is still adapting. The only real striker they have is Origi and their fans want him gone, he constantly plays bad. We have Kane who is world class but unfortunately injury prone but now have bought Carlos Vinicius who can be a very good backup
So our squad as I said is not that much worse if not as good of even better as City & Liverpool. Conte won the league on his first season with Chelsea, Mourinho is the second highest earner only behind Pep so with the huge money we’re paying him should we expect him to win the league? I mean having a manager who earns that much, have the squad that we have and how close we were to win the league & CL should we be very happy content and if he wins us a cup and get us to the CL? I know us as a club isn’t as big as the rest of the top 6 and we haven’t won anything for 12 years but I think other teams would expect more from the manager if he earns that much and has that squad
And lastly I want to clarify that if we win a cup and get back to CL I will be happy, I won’t say Jose has failed to win the league. But my expectations would be higher for next season
Shadydan
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He does come across like a complete narcissist tbh
wrd
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I think the sheer consistency of Liverpool coupled with the fact we've already dropped 5 points from a possibly 9 makes it difficult to see us going at the league. We would need to go on a run that includes Liverpool dropping 5 more points than us from now until the end of the season. Given their consistency as I say, makes it very difficult to see.
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Tucker
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Remember when OGS was talking about exploiting the other teams financial troubles in the transfer market. That worked out well for him didn’t it, the smug little shit.
rez9000
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Every time I see him, I like him less. I used to think he was alright, but now...
rossdapep
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Yeah. He actually recalled it in his latest presser saying it was a wrong word to use.
United have been such amateurs this window (they were previously too as well)
C0YS
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Mate I am. I'm moaning at this partisan bullshit on both sides really, I fully believe people need to move on from Poch, I also believe pro Mourinho fans who like to moan about Poch need to move on from Poch.
I don't know what you think the post is about, I'm moaning about fans, not managers.
Tucker
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Good that he’s realised it was a mistake. It wasn’t just crass, but naive too. Telegraphing to all the clubs you’re going to try and do business with that you’re going to low ball them isn’t really wise.
United have been idiots in the transfer market for a long time now.
vegassd
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I think you will always find a problem when trying to judge things on paper like this. Just because a manager earns more money doesn't mean he should win more... it doesn't even mean he's a better manager! It's simply the amount we are prepared to pay for him.
As you say, we have a very talented squad and under Poch we played some really exciting football. But games are not won or paper, or even won by the best football - there is an element of luck plus the mentality factor. I think we are willing to pay Mourinho so much because he has a track record of sorting out that mentality part and that was seemingly what we lacked most compared to the other big teams.
What I've been surprised by in the last few matches is how expansive we have been able to play even though "Mourinho ball" is supposed to be incredibly boring. Obviously the quality of opposition has an influence on that, but the signings we have made this summer do point towards attacking football. Time will tell I suppose.
SpursD22
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So if we continue to back Jose next summer and he doesn’t win the league or the CL hasn’t he failed? Because he’s being backed, earns a lot and we were close with Poch so we brought him in to get us to the finishing line
Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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Success is subjective amongst fans. Daniel Levy will have objectives in mind and will no doubt have talked expectations with Jose but I would be surprised if he is expecting a league or champions league title within the next couple of seasons. He will be looking for progress obviously but I would be surprised if it's as definitive as the targets that you mentioned.
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