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"Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation"

whitesocks

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Arguably there were things wrong in the game when the premiership was created - crowds were down, stadiums were in poor repair, our league was third rate and the better players wouldn't come here.
And this malaise fed into the national team that was uncompetitive.

Satellite tv was always going to pour money into the game so the problems would have been fixed anyway, but draining resources from the other divisions has made the premiership the no 1 in the world, with crazy transfer fees and salaries.
In this crisis, it seems reasonable for the premiership to help out the other divisions. But that is not what's driving this big project.

Fenway are driving and it seems odd as surely Liverpool are doing very well - big cup, champions and although Klopp looks a little rattled, they surely will finish in the the CL places and are amongst the favourites to collect more silverware. What's their problem?

According to swiss ramble, this success hasn't translated into money to spend and strengthen. Income has been eaten by salaries and bonuses. Fenway are not in this for the glory - this is an investment and they figure if they are not coining it in now, then what's the point. They see the teams at the bottom getting beaten week after week and not contributing very much but collecting £100m for their efforts as they go down, plus parachute payments to come. That's their profits leaking away, as they see it.

That is not an unreasonable view, but the core problem is not those at the bottom but the oil clubs with the wealth of nations. To consistently finish above those clubs you have to spend more money than you'll ever make back.
Spend more money was Benitez's complaint at Liverpool, but the money wasn't there and they effectively went broke trying to keep up.
 

LSUY

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"Nine clubs would be given 'special voting rights' on certain issues, based on their longevity in the Premier League - currently that is Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Everton, Southampton and West Ham."

...haven't Villa and Newcastle spent more time in the PL than Man City?

This whole project seems to be a bunch of bribes in order to implement a system that gives a handful of clubs control of the English top flight and thereby prevent any other clubs from dislodging them from there lucrative position.
 

Dakes

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Jan 28, 2020
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That is not an unreasonable view, but the core problem is not those at the bottom but the oil clubs with the wealth of nations. To consistently finish above those clubs you have to spend more money than you'll ever make back.
Spend more money was Benitez's complaint at Liverpool, but the money wasn't there and they effectively went broke trying to keep up.

Very good point
 

Saoirse

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Aug 20, 2013
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"Nine clubs would be given 'special voting rights' on certain issues, based on their longevity in the Premier League - currently that is Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Everton, Southampton and West Ham."

...haven't Villa and Newcastle spent more time in the PL than Man City?

This whole project seems to be a bunch of bribes in order to implement a system that gives a handful of clubs control of the English top flight and thereby prevent any other clubs from dislodging them from there lucrative position.
They have, hence why it's being done by the number of current consecutive seasons in the PL rather than total number of seasons in the competition. So if one of the 9 long-term shareholders went down, I believe Crystal Palace would be first in line to replace them at the moment, followed by Leicester.
 

spursfan77

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Put in to make it attractive to us. Levy would find it hard to turn that type of money down and they know it.
 

Lilbaz

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Apr 1, 2005
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Arguably there were things wrong in the game when the premiership was created - crowds were down, stadiums were in poor repair, our league was third rate and the better players wouldn't come here.
And this malaise fed into the national team that was uncompetitive.

Satellite tv was always going to pour money into the game so the problems would have been fixed anyway, but draining resources from the other divisions has made the premiership the no 1 in the world, with crazy transfer fees and salaries.
In this crisis, it seems reasonable for the premiership to help out the other divisions. But that is not what's driving this big project.

Fenway are driving and it seems odd as surely Liverpool are doing very well - big cup, champions and although Klopp looks a little rattled, they surely will finish in the the CL places and are amongst the favourites to collect more silverware. What's their problem?

According to swiss ramble, this success hasn't translated into money to spend and strengthen. Income has been eaten by salaries and bonuses. Fenway are not in this for the glory - this is an investment and they figure if they are not coining it in now, then what's the point. They see the teams at the bottom getting beaten week after week and not contributing very much but collecting £100m for their efforts as they go down, plus parachute payments to come. That's their profits leaking away, as they see it.

That is not an unreasonable view, but the core problem is not those at the bottom but the oil clubs with the wealth of nations. To consistently finish above those clubs you have to spend more money than you'll ever make back.
Spend more money was Benitez's complaint at Liverpool, but the money wasn't there and they effectively went broke trying to keep up.

Disagree about the national team being uncompetitive. 86 and 90 world cups we did well. The prem was started in 1992. We didn't qualify in 94.
 

Lilbaz

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Put in to make it attractive to us. Levy would find it hard to turn that type of money down and they know it.

Agree but levy is a long term thinker. Unless enic planned to sell.

I'd guess though that the big 6 would probably be guaranteed a place in a reformed champions league. That he couldn't turn down.
 

Tucker

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Just read the article about this on the Athletic. Pretty much sounds like the big 6 intend on forcing this through by hook or crook. There’s even talk of them resigning from the premier league and rejoining the EFL in order to get their way.
 

Tucker

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So it sounds like Levy is faced with a choice of being with them or against them, and at the end of the day without the big clubs the premier league is nothing.

This is all very shitty.
 

Dakes

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Just read the article about this on the Athletic. Pretty much sounds like the big 6 intend on forcing this through by hook or crook. There’s even talk of them resigning from the premier league and rejoining the EFL in order to get their way.
Filthy
 

Dakes

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One of Lineker's tweets after the 6-1:



Results like that and the one immediately thereafter would likely add fuel to 'Project Big Picture' engineers.
 

punky

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I'm too young to remember but what was the reaction/feeling when they tried to form the Premier League compared to this?
 

Lilbaz

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Just read the article about this on the Athletic. Pretty much sounds like the big 6 intend on forcing this through by hook or crook. There’s even talk of them resigning from the premier league and rejoining the EFL in order to get their way.

I would have thought they would threaten to join a european super league (or two if they want 32 teams in it).
 

Tucker

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I would have thought they would threaten to join a european super league (or two if they want 32 teams in it).

Yeah but that’s not a tangible threat right now as one doesn’t exist. Whereas going into the football league can happen as soon as next season.
 

VegasII

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Whatever the plans...Project Big Picture is a shite name for a project.
 

spursfan77

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I'm too young to remember but what was the reaction/feeling when they tried to form the Premier League compared to this?

Nope not that I can remember, there was more fuss made about changing the back pass rule from what I can remember of the time. Football wasn’t really as big then and certainly didn’t have the money in it that’s about nowadays.
 

Lilbaz

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Yeah but that’s not a tangible threat right now as one doesn’t exist. Whereas going into the football league can happen as soon as next season.

Uefa are currently in negotiations with teams about an overhaul of the cl in 2024. Real, barca and juve are in favour of a super league. Wouldn't be hard to set up.
 

Seafordian Spurs

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One of Lineker's tweets after the 6-1:



Results like that and the one immediately thereafter would likely add fuel to 'Project Big Picture' engineers.


If I recall correctly, an American sports/TV mogul expressed his sadness about Leicester taking Manchester United's place in the Champions League the season after they'd won the league.....because Manchester United were a bigger brand and the TV revenues would be less with Leicester involved.

I fucking hate Leicester but its obvious that the top 6 would rather fuck off and form a break away European Super League or something. Because more people according to avaricious sports moguls would tune in to watch, say, Manchester United vs AC Millan in a European Super League shit show than Southampton vs Burnley in the current premier.
 

McFlash

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I dont agree in principle, however if we are at the top table then i don't see Levy letting us get fucked over.

Ironic that there is a lot of Anti American rhetric by fans of a club that has American owners!
Sorry, do you think we have American owners?!
 
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