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On the touchline with his back to goal? No chance.We will concede far more goals from not making those challenges than from any free kicks given as a result of them.
On the touchline with his back to goal? No chance.We will concede far more goals from not making those challenges than from any free kicks given as a result of them.
On the touchline with his back to goal? No chance.
We will concede far more goals from not making those challenges than from any free kicks given as a result of them.
Sorry, I didn't realise he had tackled an inanimate object.
So you're advocating making a tackle anywhere no matter what the actual position of the player with the ball is? Here are the two free kicks we conceded from almost identical positions that that we didn't have to. Both have the West Ham player with his back to goal, with our defenders in great position. In our defensive third, and with the ball in this position, we need to stay close without giving the player a chance to fall and give the referee a decision to make. See for yourself:
Sissoko
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Aurier
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Tell me then, where is the danger you can see from either position? Two West Ham forwards covered by four or three covered by five. No need to give away a free. Force the ball backwards and force WH to reset.
I'm the first to say that both frees were soft, but if you look at these pictures and can't admit you're wrong, telling me you'd rather a defender put in a challenge in these positions than not, it just shows me I should never take your football opinions seriously ever again.
It wasn’t a foul wet spam player jumped in front of Aurier and dived and won a free kick and he would of have done exactly the same against Doherty who has looked very shaky defending in a back four. Players do that week in week out in the Premier league, but unfortunately we are conceding too many on set pieces at the moment which should put the focus of attention on the players who can defend set pieces. Whether you like it or not Aurier is currently playing better than Doherty and he will keep his place in the team as long as he continues to do so. The fact that you can only Highlight one incident from all the games Aurier has played this season shows how well he's playing and he will deservedly keep his place as long as he maintains his current form.So you're advocating making a tackle anywhere no matter what the actual position of the player with the ball is? Here are the two free kicks we conceded from almost identical positions that that we didn't have to. Both have the West Ham player with his back to goal, with our defenders in great position. In our defensive third, and with the ball in this position, we need to stay close without giving the player a chance to fall and give the referee a decision to make. See for yourself:
Sissoko
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Aurier
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Tell me then, where is the danger you can see from either position? Two West Ham forwards covered by four or three covered by five. No need to give away a free. Force the ball backwards and force WH to reset.
I'm the first to say that both frees were soft, but if you look at these pictures and can't admit you're wrong, telling me you'd rather a defender put in a challenge in these positions than not, it just shows me I should never take your football opinions seriously ever again.
I never said one was better than the other. I said we (read ALL our players) need to stop conceding frees in dangerous positions. Go back and my post. That is the reason I bothered to screenshot the fouls.It wasn’t a foul wet spam player jumped in front of Aurier and dived and won a free kick and he would of have done exactly the same against Doherty who has looked very shaky defending in a back four. Players do that week in week out in the Premier league, but unfortunately we are conceding too many on set pieces at the moment which should put the focus of attention on the players who can defend set pieces. Whether you like it or not Aurier is currently playing better than Doherty and he will keep his place in the team as long as he continues to do so. The fact that you can only Highlight one incident from all the games Aurier has played this season shows how well he's playing and he will deservedly keep his place as long as he maintains his current form.
I didn't say mistake i said incident because the west ham player dived so it wasn't a free kick. The only mistake was from the referee.I never said one was better than the other. I said we (read ALL our players) need to stop conceding frees in dangerous positions. Go back and my post. That is the reason I bothered to screenshot the fouls.
And I like Aurier, and think he's been great this season, but you saying that instance is the only example I can find because it's the only time all season he's made a mistake is almost laugh out loud funny.
And I'm saying that players shouldn't jump to win a ball unnecessarily when there is a danger of the referee giving a free.I didn't say mistake i said incident because the west ham player dived so it wasn't a free kick. The only mistake was from the referee.
Actually don’t think you can say that. Either one is crap and the the other is world class. Pick which one for you and defend that choice till you die.Aurier has been very good for quite a while under Jose now. But MD is also a top player so we have two good options who will keep pushing each other to improve which is great.
So you're advocating making a tackle anywhere no matter what the actual position of the player with the ball is? Here are the two free kicks we conceded from almost identical positions that that we didn't have to. Both have the West Ham player with his back to goal, with our defenders in great position. In our defensive third, and with the ball in this position, we need to stay close without giving the player a chance to fall and give the referee a decision to make. See for yourself:
Sissoko
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Aurier
View attachment 76402
Tell me then, where is the danger you can see from either position? Two West Ham forwards covered by four or three covered by five. No need to give away a free. Force the ball backwards and force WH to reset.
I'm the first to say that both frees were soft, but if you look at these pictures and can't admit you're wrong, telling me you'd rather a defender put in a challenge in these positions than not, it just shows me I should never take your football opinions seriously ever again.
What's obvious, and what will keep happening until we improve our defending from set pieces, is that teams will play or set pieces around our box - it's clear that players are being instructed to go down under minimal challenges so the can get a cheap foul, it's happened twice this season that directly led to goals - managers definately no out weak spots and this is a major achilees heel.
@taidgh That Aurier still lacks complete context, he did initially mess up when he made a loose touch which allowed Snodgrass to get in front of him but then he just fell to the floor, that's nothing to do with Aurier or our players consicencly making a foul in a dangerous area and everything to do with cheating and a weak ref buying the foul.
To be fair I didn't recall the tackles being from behind as those images show. Perfectly happy to admit that the timing of those tackles was poor, not the locations though.
I can see the danger in both of those pictures. Picture one the danger is in the pass back or the cross. Picture two it is in the player taking him on the inside. Having said that, I used to play fullback, I would have let them both turn and smashed them with a slide tackle.
I'm not disagreeing with you that the West Ham player made a meal of it. But similar to compounding a bad touch by lunging to get the ball and getting a card, Aurier jumped forward to make up for the mistouch and in lacking to composure to just defend, gave the referee a choice to make.
Alright, you've obligated me to go find the video, clip it, and then upload it. He had a heavy first touch (not all that terrible mind - it was a difficult ball to deal with - but was still heavy) and then picks his head up to look up the pitch without having a clue where Snodgrass is. He belatedly realizes Snodgrass is going to challenge for the ball and moves to block him off with his left leg. There may have been slight contact with his left foot on Snodgrass' foot, but Snodgrass goes down like he's been shot. As I said, he compounded a heavy touch by jumping in to try and block off Snodgrass. In that position, at that time of the game, you just have to let him nip in ahead, and just defend. Don't give the opposition any chance to collapse, and don't give the referee a chance to award a free.
https://streamable.com/e/tpv8ci
Missing the point here.That is never a foul.
That is never a foul.
I fear it was, on one occasion...That is never a foul.