Jose Mourinho

wrd · Dec 28, 2020

rossdapep said:
Sure, second half approach is all wrong.

Only thing I can say to it is that Jose doesn't trust Ndombele fitness wise, sp brings him off to have players who'll do the defensive work - which is an issue itself.

But if he has Sabitzer or a more progressive midfielder on the bench he goes with that.

He was afterall bringing Lo Celso on for Ndombele which shows he doesnt want to sacrifice that attacking balance.

We really arent being helped by Lo Celso's persistent injury problems because Im certain had he not had these injuries he'd be starting every game in CM.

yeah I agree with all you’re saying but the Ndombele situation is the real hair in the soup for me, he was still getting on the ball, he literally got 3 players booked minutes before being taken off he didn’t seem to be struggling fitness wise. I feel like his fitness issues on this singular occasion are something to hide behind because what he was producing did not reflect somebody needing to be removed especially relative to Kane and Hojbjerg who were struggling.

we still had Lamela and dele on the bench but he went with Sissoko. Seemingly the transition from defence to attack was not his priority in that moment. Another midfielder does seem the answer but the Gio situation is a huge let down but sooner rather than later, Ndombele needs to be trusted to go the distance, he already has in the europa qualifiers and he didn’t let us down.

Jose needs to trust him because we have lost points from 4 matches after we have taken him off. If he trusts him and he gets injured I’ll put my hands up and say clearly I was wrong but we need to take the risk.

Univarn · Dec 28, 2020

Yid121 said:
I hope other managers didn't spot what I did. All wolves did was foul Kane on the half turn and it completely ruined our transition to attack. We had nothing until Ndombele came into the game.

Mourinho really should start playing Lo Celso in place of Sissoko / Winks and just coach him obsessively in defence. This will make us have a lot more options and variety in our transition

The only other alternative is Lamela on the RW or Bale at AM/CF but both are far too injury prone to rely on.

They've been doing this for weeks now. Only Pool tried to play Kane straight and prevent him passing. All Xhaka did was foul him for the Goons. Palace did the same and now Wolves (I really don't remember Leicester because I blocked it from my memory). As long as he drops deep into our half they know they can hack him with a less than 5% chance of getting any card.

The start of the season felt like the best case Jose scenario and this current period feels like the worst case scenario. Not a lot of middle ground this season. We only get the extremes. Glad to see some people wising up and not always blaming the players for implementing a style Jose has clearly coached even if he doesn't always want the team to act on it. I'm biased against Jose from the start so I try to keep quiet in here but it's just fucking miserable to watch. Unless we're clearly winning it just sucks and there's nothing redeeming but the sense of relief of winning. Without the W it's just the worst football experience.

HildoSpur · Dec 28, 2020

Jose clearly doesn't rate/trust many of our players and that can't be good for confidence on the pitch.

wrd · Dec 28, 2020

I think any talk of Jose needing to go is wildly incorrect, he’s added some much needed steeliness to our game and the pragmatism in big games we all yearned for.

it’s clear however that we can’t continue playing how we do vs mid table teams where we have superior quality and we need to find a better balance and Jose as an extremely analytical man must be able to see that. We don’t need sabitzer or even Lo Celso in these games to be able to fix this issue. We need to trust our players in matches when we’re the superior team and I have faith that he must be able to now see that given our record in the final 15 minutes of games and our record of dropping points and our set piece stats, all the evidence is there.

I think we continue down this road but make some tweak to find the balance between essentially our first half performance vs West Ham and the 2nd half performances in all of our games. We already have the pieces to do that.

ralphs bald spot · Dec 28, 2020

Yid121 said:
I hope other managers didn't spot what I did. All wolves did was foul Kane on the half turn and it completely ruined our transition to attack. We had nothing until Ndombele came into the game.

Mourinho really should start playing Lo Celso in place of Sissoko / Winks and just coach him obsessively in defence. This will make us have a lot more options and variety in our transition

The only other alternative is Lamela on the RW or Bale at AM/CF but both are far too injury prone to rely on.

We are a one track pony side at the moment they got their midfield around Kane everytime he dropped deep Moutinho who was the best player on the pitch largely stopped him but some of that is that he has only got one ball to play and thats to Son - Ndombele doesn't have the legs to run beyond the ball - Reg didn't know what his role was and looked a little lost - Ndombele flitters in and out of games does some good things but made the wrong pass when it mattered he has to play Kane in- neither Winks or Hodgey are going to push beyond the ball and the full backs were employed to defend because we were scared of their pace though they had no forwards playing - the subs why bother Sissoko is not going to create or help with the ball - Bergwin is another lost to the system and bringing on Lamela is largely a waste of time apart from a nuisance value

The midfield and support play is a travesty at the moment its geared to defend not one of them either gets on the ball or pushes into space to create situations we don't break lines with passing there is no chance taking, a player even marginally under pressure will not receive the ball because it goes backwards. Ndombele does it a bit and beats people but there is not a pass or control of the game coming from it - and its probably not his fault as he largely only has two options to play the ball

Tonight was piss poor they were there for the taking especially with the early goal and very nearly contrived to lose it because the football is so negative and if Mourinho can't see that if you going to take of Ndombele you need Ali and not Sissoko -maybe we can sack him after winning the League cup

cliff jones · Dec 28, 2020

ralphs bald spot said:
We are a one track pony side at the moment they got their midfield around Kane everytime he dropped deep Moutinho who was the best player on the pitch largely stopped him but some of that is that he has only got one ball to play and thats to Son - Ndombele doesn't have the legs to run beyond the ball - Reg didn't know what his role was and looked a little lost - Ndombele flitters in and out of games does some good things but made the wrong pass when it mattered he has to play Kane in- neither Winks or Hodgey are going to push beyond the ball and the full backs were employed to defend because we were scared of their pace though they had no forwards playing - the subs why bother Sissoko is not going to create or help with the ball - Bergwin is another lost to the system and bringing on Lamela is largely a waste of time apart from a nuisance value

The midfield and support play is a travesty at the moment its geared to defend not one of them either gets on the ball or pushes into space to create situations we don't break lines with passing there is no chance taking, a player even marginally under pressure will not receive the ball because it goes backwards. Ndombele does it a bit and beats people but there is not a pass or control of the game coming from it - and its probably not his fault as he largely only has two options to play the ball

Tonight was piss poor they were there for the taking especially with the early goal and very nearly contrived to lose it because the football is so negative and if Mourinho can't see that if you going to take of Ndombele you need Ali and not Sissoko -maybe we can sack him after winning the League cup

this post is like Ralph’s Barnet- all over the place. One or two points are sound but you continue to dig out NDombele which is wrong and unfair.

You need to realise he is not the problem and take it from there.

parj · Dec 28, 2020

fuzzylogic said:
I used to come home from work around half times in games and switch the game on as soon as I got in. These days I hardly watch us at all and decided to have a bath and read a book instead. Far more enjoyable ?

In a house of 4 Tottenham fans, we have all voted Tottenham fans off the TV and into

dtxspurs said:
He’s the only player that bales us out to keep any sort of possession. Not surprising at all.

Him and GLC have a horrible job of having to make us play football. They will pick up injuries because they are our quarterbacks and teams will massively target them.

Coys2015 · Dec 28, 2020

wrd said:
I think any talk of Jose needing to go is wildly incorrect, he’s added some much needed steeliness to our game and the pragmatism in big games we all yearned for.

it’s clear however that we can’t continue playing how we do vs mid table teams where we have superior quality and we need to find a better balance and Jose as an extremely analytical man must be able to see that. We don’t need sabitzer or even Lo Celso in these games to be able to fix this issue. We need to trust our players in matches when we’re the superior team and I have faith that he must be able to now see that given our record in the final 15 minutes of games and our record of dropping points and our set piece stats, all the evidence is there.

I think we continue down this road but make some tweak to find the balance between essentially our first half performance vs West Ham and the 2nd half performances in all of our games. We already have the pieces to do that.

Good points. Jose has brought some positives to the team but now he needs to adjust also. If he continues this way for another few months, then I'd be wanting him out but if he can make some changes to the tactics with a few little tweaks then I'd be happy to give him more time.

I'm curious to see how players react to Jose calling out the whole squad's lack of ambition. Who is going to show up against Fulham? Who will speak out to the media and leak what Jose really said at half time?

JCRD · Dec 28, 2020

You can put 11 Sissokos out there at the moment and the chances are you would get the same results because we arent using the skill set of our players... theyre all being trained as functional workhorses who are brainwashed into playing in this way...

Forget enjoyment for a moment because its not really about that that im critical of - its not using our players properly. How in the hell was Son supposed to play midfield? I mean a guy who was on top form being run into th ground chasing balls. Kane, one of the best strikers in the world being run into the ground chasing balls, long balls, defending ont he edge of his box - what the fuck is that about

I dont understand the comments about the whole lack of ambition - is he saying our players dont want to attack? im sure they do, so im not really sure what he is saying, unless he is saying our players are shite which is not entirely true.

I mentioned earlier that Jose doesnt need to go but he needs to learn and if he isnt going to learn then we have an issue.

midge · Dec 28, 2020

I think the team is just tired.

The number of games we had was insane. Fatigue caught up with the players in the winter . No matter what the team plan was when you are fatigue you just not gonna be able to carry it out.

Jose might need to give the 1st teamer like Dier, Son, Kane, Tanguy a longer break to recover. Reguilion too,

dtxspurs · Dec 28, 2020

How did this guy play Fabregas in a double pivot at Chelsea?

crokey · Dec 28, 2020

I'm convinced that if our manager was Diego Simeone and we were playing the same way with the same results that people would give him time. Some people just hate Mourinho, and that's fine. But at least own up to it - don't pretend you're giving him a fair swing at it.

It's not going perfectly for us at the moment, but it isn't for any of the other 19 teams either. I'm not sure why some think we are immune from the fuck up that is this season. We are still in every competition, doing okay, and at some points have done great. Plenty of time to go.

Another thing boiling my blood is the complete lack of respect for some teams in the Premier League. Many people quick to say the PL is the best league in the world - and in the same breath just assume we should be hammering teams like Leicester, Wolves, and I assume the same will be said about Villa when we play them soon. You can't have it both ways. These teams are quality - they have the most money in world football outside of top 6 in England and a few European giants. We are favourites in these games, but nothing more. Losses and draws will happen - with Mourinho or with fucking Bill Nicholson.

dtxspurs · Dec 28, 2020

crokey said:
I'm convinced that if our manager was Diego Simeone and we were playing the same way with the same results that people would give him time. Some people just hate Mourinho, and that's fine. But at least own up to it - don't pretend you're giving him a fair swing at it.

It's not going perfectly for us at the moment, but it isn't for any of the other 19 teams either. I'm not sure why some think we are immune from the fuck up that is this season. We are still in every competition, doing okay, and at some points have done great. Plenty of time to go.

People wanted Poch out when we were playing like shit too. If any manager has us playing shit football and also not getting results people aren't going to be happy.

Metalhead · Dec 28, 2020

crokey said:
I'm convinced that if our manager was Diego Simeone and we were playing the same way with the same results that people would give him time. Some people just hate Mourinho, and that's fine. But at least own up to it - don't pretend you're giving him a fair swing at it.

It's not going perfectly for us at the moment, but it isn't for any of the other 19 teams either. I'm not sure why some think we are immune from the fuck up that is this season. We are still in every competition, doing okay, and at some points have done great. Plenty of time to go.

Another thing boiling my blood is the complete lack of respect for some teams in the Premier League. Many people quick to say the PL is the best league in the world - and in the same breath just assume we should be hammering teams like Leicester, Wolves, and I assume the same will be said about Villa when we play them soon. You can't have it both ways. These teams are quality - they have the most money in world football outside of top 6 in England and a few European giants. We are favourites in these games, but nothing more. Losses and draws will happen - with Mourinho or with fucking Bill Nicholson.

The sense of entitlement does run deep with some football fans.

AnotherSpursFan · Dec 28, 2020

Remember the time when we were closing in on Leicester for the EPL title and Harry Kane posted a picture of Lions.

Yes...some things never change, we did fantastic in November and maybe it has gone into some of the player's head. From fantastic November to disaster December. Always the same story line with this team, just cant finish a race.

Mr Pink · Dec 28, 2020

rossdapep said:
Levy ain't sacking Jose anytime so you can get that thought outta your heads. He'll have til at least the end of the season.

Jose does need to let the players attack more now and get back in the groove - Fulham, , Leeds, Villa, Sheff Utd - if he approaches any of those with caution and we fail to pick up the points I won't be so quick to defend him.

Agreed but it does have the feeling of a crossroads point for Jose.

If he doesn't alter his tactical approach for the lesser sides, at the very least, it's going to end In tears.

I'd already be sounding out the Southampton coach in preparation of nothing changing.

Massive two home games to come in the league which will reveal a lot.

Rusta81 · Dec 28, 2020

HildoSpur said:
Jose clearly doesn't rate/trust many of our players and that can't be good for confidence on the pitch.

If they play like 75 minutes of yesterday I don’t blame him . Useless

Rusta81 · Dec 28, 2020

Yesterday was woeful, players couldn’t string passes together .
Dunno why PEH went in to headless chicken mode which he only does when winks plays .
Was just weird .
Worst I’ve seen us play in ages . Kane and son were absolute poo when they got the ball, was just odd .
Dunno how that’s on the coach . Even with his system the strikers need to release the ball quicker to set the counter attack . Kane was like pirouette Parker when he got it .

hellava_tough · Dec 28, 2020

Mr Pink said:
Agreed but it does have the feeling of a crossroads point for Jose.

If he doesn't alter his tactical approach for the lesser sides, at the very least, it's going to end In tears.

I'd already be sounding out the Southampton coach in preparation of nothing changing.

Massive two home games to come in the league which will reveal a lot.

I have the impression (and I could be wrong here) that modern football managers rarely change their tactical or philosophical approach, once they've set up their system. And they usually get sacked because of it.

But it's an interesting question; how many managers completely overhaul their game plan if it's not working? I can't think of any Spurs managers of the last 20 years who have done that.

Dazzazzad · Dec 28, 2020

handsomecake said:
We raved about our squad here before season started. Vinicius doesnt play, dele doesnt play, Bale doesnt play, Sessegnon is gonski, jack clarke gonski.

Kane and Son are knackered.

It has to be close to the best squad I've seen in my time supporting the club AND we've been very lucky with injuries so far.

Makes this month all the more depressing.

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