Jose Mourinho

Styopa said:

The players and Mourinho share responsibility for the dismal level of performance we have descended into.

However this narrative about these being the same players that got Pochettino the sack just isn't accurate.

By my calculation we have signed at least 5 first teamers since Mourinho joined: Reguilón, Doherty, Højbjerg, Bergwijn and Bale as well as a back up striker and a highly rated young centre back. Mourinho has also had much longer to work with Ndombele and Lo Celso who were still relatively new to the country and the club when Pochettino left. Maybe these players aren't good enough but you can hardly say they're the ones who got Pochettino the sack as most of them weren't even here then.

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NEVILLEB said:

Levy got Pochettino sacked.

He failed to invest in the team over several seasons with quality players either leaving or declining. Then he began to look for a new Manager cutting Poch out of the recruitment process (Coach instead of Manager) thus undermining him and causing him to become disillusioned.

I'm not saying Poch is perfect. But everyone has short ********* memories on here.

There's always the shiny new Manager at Tottenham to fix everything but it won't.

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Tucker said:

I’m not excusing how bad we were last night, but in some respects we were unlucky, they didn’t really pepper our goal did they, we limited them to one flea chance where Hugo made a great save. Were it not for the penalty we’d have got a draw, or if Vinicius had buried his chance. Chelsea are no great shakes at the moment, and they were pretty poor last night, we were worse, but we could have easily got a draw out of that game.

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Styopa said:

The players and Mourinho share responsibility for the dismal level of performance we have descended into.

However this narrative about these being the same players that got Pochettino the sack just isn't accurate.

By my calculation we have signed at least 5 first teamers since Mourinho joined: Reguilón, Doherty, Højbjerg, Bergwijn and Bale as well as a back up striker and a highly rated young centre back. Mourinho has also had much longer to work with Ndombele and Lo Celso who were still relatively new to the country and the club when Pochettino left. Maybe these players aren't good enough but you can hardly say they're the ones who got Pochettino the sack as most of them weren't even here then.

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NEVILLEB said:

Levy got Pochettino sacked.

He failed to invest in the team over several seasons with quality players either leaving or declining. Then he began to look for a new Manager cutting Poch out of the recruitment process (Coach instead of Manager) thus undermining him and causing him to become disillusioned.

I'm not saying Poch is perfect. But everyone has short ********* memories on here.

There's always the shiny new Manager at Tottenham to fix everything but it won't.

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the shelf said:

We are progressively outplayed by teams with much less at their disposal than us so that argument doesn't hold up- Brighton made us look like footballing dinosaurs last week.

I hate watching this football it bores me to tears. And only an idiot who witnessed the end of Mourinho's era at Man United would think it was ever going to be different here.

The meltdown and fallout isn't far away believe me.

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spurs mental said:

Lloris
Aurier
Toby
Dier
Reggie*
PEH*
Sissoko
Ndombele**
Son
Kane
Bergiwjn*

*Signed under Jose
**Signed under Poch but more Time with Jose.

That is, what most would agree has been our best starting XI so far this season. He's signed 3 starters for our first XI.

Bench:

Hart*
Davies
Doherty*
Lucas
Lamela
Vinnie*
Bale*
Winks
Sanchez
Rodon*

5 bench players. Dispute over whether he even wanted Bale.

13 out of the 21 were here under Poch. So yes, the majority were here under Poch.

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SUIYHA said:

Most managers talk about playing "attacking" football but only a few are really genuinely good at it. I think there are some managers who do spend a lot of time on tactical training and trying to play really complex systems, but generally speaking I think the role of the manager is to create an environment that allows players to flourish - mentally and physically as much as anything else. If the result is a group of players that feel scared, nervous, demotivated and unfit, then that is a major red flag.

Liverpool have been on a poor run of form of late, but they always create plenty of chances to score every game. Their players make off the ball runs, they find space, they move the ball around quickly, they hassle and pressure the opposition when not in possession - teams feel like they have to play well to beat them. I am seeing none of that from us at the moment.

Talk all you want about how certain players are not good enough - the fact is that most of our squad are international footballers with Champions League experience. We're not West Brom or Burnley but we sure are playing like it at the moment. One or two meaningful attempts on goal per game, most of the game out of possession, no creativity, no flair. This is just nowhere near good enough.

It doesn't necessarily mean that Mourinho is a bad manager, but the manager is about being in the right time and place. In his past jobs he's had more money and resources than anyone else in the league and has done well to get big teams exert their dominance over their rivals - but he's never succeeded in taking an underdog up the table. At the time I felt it was time for Pochettino to go but Mourinho was a questionable fit to replace him and sadly I think that this appointment hasn't worked out.

People talk about whether winning the League Cup is worth this. I don't. Winning the title or doing something I've never seen us do before would be, but just getting a single domestic trophy, no. And quite frankly, the way things are going we are going to get murdered by Man City in the final anyway.

If I'm Levy then I'm on the phone to Kane and Son this morning asking what they're thinking. If either say they want Mourinho gone then I'd sack him today.

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Rosco1984 said:

So Brighton can play possession based football but we cant have a word with yourself. What about Leeds I guess their players are better than ours as well? How many times did we ever have less possession under Poch? Maybe against city and Liverpool but that's it. They are the same players. Poch got us as far as he could and ran out of steam. I really don't think it was as simple as losing the players things just went stale. What was needed was someone to reinvigorate but continue what poch started not a negative confidence sapping disciplinarian to tear it all up and start from scratch destroying everything we built. These players kept the ball for Poch they can still keep the ball now they need confidence and encouragement to play and be brave. Maybe we will still concede but we might actually score a few as well.
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There’s no point arguing with these opinions, you think they’re good enough but I believe they are not so we will just have to agree to disagree for the time being. Until you get your wish that is.

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spurs mental said:

13 out of the 21 were here under Poch. So yes, the majority were here under Poch.

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H-SF said:

The videos of our pressing in the second half are the most embarrassing thing. Looks like a bunch of school kids chasing the ball. He just hasn’t coached them how to press at all.

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Beni said:

In all organisations, corporate, industrial or football clubs, managers are one or many leaders depending whether you have a good team or failing one. Successful teams in all walks of life, have employees that are leaders aswell and do not rely just on a manager to lead for them. Leadership doesn’t just stop at management level.

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