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FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

Ghost Hardware

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If Levy fucked up it was by appointing Fabio. Nuno is his appointment. That's why sacking him after 6 games isn't the answer. If Levy sacks him it undermines the DOF. If Fab sacks him it shows his first task was a huge balls up.

Who then do you trust to bring the next guy in Fabio who wants a more defensive manager, or Levy who has said he wants to return to our attacking DNA?

Throw in a certain individual who has been involved throughout the transfer window and we could have another 3 months of arguing and misdirection.
What I don’t understand is, why did Levy appoint a DOF who wants defensive football after saying we needed to go back to our DNA. Aside from that, Fabs only previous managerial appointment was an unmitigated disaster. Levy should have made it abundantly clear to whoever we brought in as DOF that he wanted us to be an attacking team.
 

PLTuck

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Aug 22, 2006
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Don’t really agree that there are many “ner-ner-ner-ner’ posters on here at all tbh just a lot of ones who are very disheartened with the mess we predictably find ourselves in.

Many were positive after the city game but that was game 1, since then the performances have been dreadful match after match and just as expected when you hire your 10th choice manager who is a defensive passive coach who can’t coach teams to keep the ball or build attacks.

I find it funny when people on here moan about our fans complaining about a manager who it is clear as day to see was a terrible choice and fit for the club.

We are all fans, we all want the club to succeed and to enjoy watching our team play some good style football so when we can see the decisions being made are yet more poor ones which won’t achieve what we want of course as fans we will speak out because we want better and that is commendable.

What is the intended outcome of complaining incessantly? I don't mean the large majority. I mean the very vocal minority who's every single post amounts to

Nuno / ENIC / Levy are shit.

It contributes nothing to any discussion even if posted just the once, but, there are certain posters who as soon as you see their username, you already know what the crux of the post is going to be. They revel in it.

As I said, maybe I just need to start using ignore and just accept that some people are only happy when it rains.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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There are 4 current, reasonably prolific posters I could (but won't) name off the top of my head that NEVER have anything positive to say, and are the loudest shouters after a loss.
Ok fair enough well I also see a lot of posters who are very balanced or if they’re being negative they back it up with very good reasoning mate but I’m not across all threads so don’t know what is being said if it’s just negativity towards absolutely everything or not.

But let’s not sugarcoat it we are in a fucking mess right now and one man to blame. So so very disappointing as sensible decisions could’ve avoided this, we all saw it coming which is what makes it even more depressing and a lot of us have no faith in Levy to sort it out as the football decisions are either poor or misaligned with our strategy and philosophy or both.

I will always support the club and always hope it gets better and always look for the small positives and enjoy good goals and wins and signings and players and moments but right now there is really not much to be positive about at all.
 

dorsetyid

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What is the intended outcome of complaining incessantly? I don't mean the large majority. I mean the very vocal minority who's every single post amounts to

Nuno / ENIC / Levy are shit.

It contributes nothing to any discussion even if posted just the once, but, there are certain posters who as soon as you see their username, you already know what the crux of the post is going to be. They revel in it.

As I said, maybe I just need to start using ignore and just accept that some people are only happy when it rains.
I don’t think you can blame anyone for being negative. It’s been raining hard for well over a year.
 

shoggy33

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Absolutely no chance he gets the sack after 6 league games. He was the wrong appointment but now he's here he deserves a bit of time. As many of us said last season, there isn't a manager on the planet who can get this group playing, whoever we get next will have the same problem as long as our core consists of Dier, Sanchez, Dele, and for very different reasons Kane.
 

PLTuck

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Aug 22, 2006
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Ok fair enough well I also see a lot of posters who are very balanced or if they’re being negative they back it up with very good reasoning mate but I’m not across all threads so don’t know what is being said if it’s just negativity towards absolutely everything or not.

But let’s not sugarcoat it we are in a fucking mess right now and one man to blame. So so very disappointing as sensible decisions could’ve avoided this, we all saw it coming which is what makes it even more depressing and a lot of us have no faith in Levy to sort it out as the football decisions are either poor or misaligned with our strategy and philosophy or both.

I will always support the club and always hope it gets better and always look for the small positives and enjoy good goals and wins and signings and players and moments but right now there is really not much to be positive about at all.

I have no faith in Levy either believe it or not.

But we are stuck with him. There is absolutely nothing, short of coming up with 3.5 billion quid that any of us can do to change him or the way he works so incessant moaning about him is just completely pointless. We all know his numerous fuck ups, we don't need reminding every 3.21 seconds.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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What I don’t understand is, why did Levy appoint a DOF who wants defensive football after saying we needed to go back to our DNA. Aside from that, Fabs only previous managerial appointment was an unmitigated disaster. Levy should have made it abundantly clear to whoever we brought in as DOF that he wanted us to be an attacking team.
Ah well that would be because Levy has no actual consistent solid plan as to the running of the football side of the club mate, he’s a glorified accountant who thinks he knows football, he absolutely doesn’t it’s clear as day from him making the same mistakes for 20 years now, the All or Nothing documentary and him bugging up Winks and saying how good he was and how awkward and out of touch he was when speaking to the players is completely the reason why we are in this mess, it’s why Kane and other players are so disillusioned and why us as fans are so fed up of the same rinse and repeat mess of a process over and over with the manager hires and squad management
 
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shelfboy68

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Ah well that would be because Levy has no actual consistent solid plan as to the running of the football side of the club mate, he’s a glorified accountant who thinks he knows football, he absolutely doesn’t it’s clear as day from him making the same mistakes for 20 years now, the All or Nothing documentary and him bugging up Winks and saying how good he was and how awkward and out of touch he was when speaking to the players is completely the reason why we are in this mess, it’s why Kane and other players are so disillusioned and why us as fans are so fed up of the same rinse and repeat mess of a process over and over.
A bean counter making football decisions is never going to end well but he can't stop himself.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I have no fairth in Levy either believe it or not.

But we are stuck with him. There is absolutely nothing, short of coming up with 3.5 billion quid that any of us can do to change him or the way he works so incessant moaning about him is just completely pointless. We all know his numerous fuck ups, we don't need reminding every 3.21 seconds.
As I said before I have had a balanced view on Levy/ENIC in the past but the reason he comes up in conversation a lot now is because of the fuck up mess on the pitch and people discussing why and how it’s happened and people including myself now realising all roads lead to one man.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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What is the intended outcome of complaining incessantly? I don't mean the large majority. I mean the very vocal minority who's every single post amounts to

Nuno / ENIC / Levy are shit.

It contributes nothing to any discussion even if posted just the once, but, there are certain posters who as soon as you see their username, you already know what the crux of the post is going to be. They revel in it.

As I said, maybe I just need to start using ignore and just accept that some people are only happy when it rains.
People don’t just ‘moan and say they’re shit’ a lot of posters put together good analysis as to the poor decisions and mistakes that have led to the situation we are in.

The point is to discuss with fellow fans and work out if anything can be done to rectify the situation and as fans share our opinion on what might happen to find some lights of optimism we can cling onto given the mess we have been in for 2 years now.
 

PLTuck

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Aug 22, 2006
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People don’t just ‘moan and say they’re shit’ a lot of posters put together good analysis as to the poor decisions and mistakes that have led to the situation we are in.

The point is to discuss with fellow fans and work out if anything can be done to rectify the situation and as fans share our opinion on what might happen to find some lights of optimism we can cling onto given the mess we have been in for 2 years now.
If you look maybe a dozen posts up there is a post that is pretty much exactly that. No more and no less. Magnificent contribution.

You are right though. A lot of posters have a bit more balance about them.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Absolutely no chance he gets the sack after 6 league games. He was the wrong appointment but now he's here he deserves a bit of time. As many of us said last season, there isn't a manager on the planet who can get this group playing, whoever we get next will have the same problem as long as our core consists of Dier, Sanchez, Dele, and for very different reasons Kane.
& Ndombele I’m afraid!

If we lose badly 0-2+ at home to Villa he’ll be in serious trouble on the back of 3 other horrendous results & performances added to the terrible performances v Wolves & Watford

We cannot see any type of plan, we’ve only scored 4 in 6 games and are bottom of the pile for creating chances

It’s very very worrying even if it’s only a handful of games
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Jun 8, 2012
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Isn't there enough shit happening within the club for some of you?

What the fuck is falling out with each other on here going to achieve? You weird ****s.
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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He's got a lot of work to do but things can change really quickly in football. 3 games ago Arsenal were an absolute train wreck and Arteta was almost nailed on to be first coach sacked and now media is portraying him as the new Wenger and that this is the start of a new era at Arsenal (I think we made them look a lot better than they are for what its worth but they have at least got a blueprint for what they are trying to do).

Wherever we go from here, Nuno has to be fearless. Would love to see some of the new players and younger players integrated from now on and try to actually forge a new direction. We need players that aren't scared, aren't mentally scarred and are open to taking on new ideas. We just look stuck between old and new, really sketchy pressing and half hearted attitude.
 

CanadaSpurs

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It’s all just sad. No spirit in the club, apparently no one up for the fight, on or off the field. Club looks directionless. New manager would be the fourth that’s tried to get a tune from this group.

Sacking the manager after six games somehow feels like the worst possible decision and best possible decision at the same time. But who replaces him? There’s no one out there.

All just sad.
 
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