Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

rossdapep · Jan 23, 2022

SUIYHA said:
Even if Lucas was too tired to start as you say, and even if we accept that Ndombele and Alli are not going to feature again, there were still other options. Gil is raw and not ready to be a regular starter, but he'd have offered an infinitely more likely chance of creating something than today's wingers did. At the very least, if he struggles then at least he gets some experience of a big London derby and high quality opposition to reflect on. Even a tired Lucas would have likely offered more today if played on either side. But if we absolutely have to go for those two on the wings, at least make sure there's some sort of playmaking ability in the middle - but instead it seems all three of Lo Celso, Ndombele and Alli have been banished. Long term I'd agree with the approach, but until replacements have been signed we still have football matches to play and we just can't afford to be going into games like this with no creative threat in the side.

Put it this way - even in his early days when he first took over at Liverpool or Dortmund when they were an utter shambles, could you ever imagine Klopp setting up a team the way we did today?

Ah but you see even Klopp realised his all out gegenpressing wasn't going to win him a title. His team were losing too many goals, even with Van Dijk.

He made slight adjustments. The season they won the title, they won it because they became much better at stopping teams. They had a lot more narrow wins, whereas the season before they were scoring much more frequently.

We have the perfect coach for balance.

MightySpurs · Jan 24, 2022

Conte seems rather stubborn and “easy” to “clinch” with.

and we don’t have the luxury now, to have this going on.

if he, as a world class manager, had said to LoCelso, Ndombele and Dele that thay where world class players and just needed to step up a little, I don’t think we would be in this position now.

now wonder Ndombele has lost all of his energy, if he gets shit all the time.

players are different- some will just not run a marathon in each game- and it’s fine that you don’t play them- but with this shitty alternatives- he simply cannot do this.

it’s shit man management.

after we had got some alternatives- I would fully back him- but this is just plain stupid when we end up with this line up his stance has gotten us.

and what some shit interviews ass well.
we all know theres a difference in quality, but imo he just makes excuses for a coming loss- and ofcourse that mentality rubb off to players.
How many times must he say that the won the CL??? i’ve heard it in at least 5 different interviews.

i do think he will come good if he gets the 10 players he wants- but I seriously think Potter had gotten a better tune of our squad in these Chelsea games.

Rant off

rossdapep · Jan 24, 2022

MightySpurs said:
Conte seems rather stubborn and “easy” to “clinch” with.

and we don’t have the luxury now, to have this going on.

if he, as a world class manager, had said to LoCelso, Ndombele and Dele that thay where world class players and just needed to step up a little, I don’t think we would be in this position now.

now wonder Ndombele has lost all of his energy, if he gets shit all the time.

players are different- some will just not run a marathon in each game- and it’s fine that you don’t play them- but with this shitty alternatives- he simply cannot do this.

it’s shit man management.

after we had got some alternatives- I would fully back him- but this is just plain stupid when we end up with this line up his stance has gotten us.

and what some shit interviews ass well.
we all know theres a difference in quality, but imo he just makes excuses for a coming loss- and ofcourse that mentality rubb off to players.
How many times must he say that the won the CL??? i’ve heard it in at least 5 different interviews.

i do think he will come good if he gets the 10 players he wants- but I seriously think Potter had gotten a better tune of our squad in these Chelsea games.

Rant off

Its not stupid. At all.

These same players you mentioned have had 5 coaches now. Each time weve gone through the same process (maybe not so much with Mason as it was brief).

The cycle was to get fit, show that they are fit enough, show that they are committed and put in consistent performances.

After an age, Ndombele started to show something only for him to revert back to being moody and unmotivated (asking to leave in the summer).

Lo Celso keeps getting knocks and pulling out of games but turns out for Argentina just fine. Showing he can't be trusted.

Dele has been MIA for 4 years now and has had umpteen opportunities to show something. He's had very little sparks of something but ultimately been poor.

Conte is doing what has needed to be done for a long time. Flushing out the players who aren't committed, who aren't prepared to run over hot coals for the team, who aren't going to put the team first, who aren't going to sulk.

We are essentially shedding our skin so that we can develop a new layer that will produce commited players and a squad with a solid spirit, like he had at Inter.

That's the bigger picture here. It isn't about now or today. It's about ensuring that in 6 months time we have the spine of the team sorted and that next time we go into a market we are looking for players to take us to the next level.

So if we are short until then, it's not a big issue. Clearing these players out is more important for our future.

night-watchman · Jan 24, 2022

MightySpurs said:
Conte seems rather stubborn and “easy” to “clinch” with.

and we don’t have the luxury now, to have this going on.

if he, as a world class manager, had said to LoCelso, Ndombele and Dele that thay where world class players and just needed to step up a little, I don’t think we would be in this position now.

now wonder Ndombele has lost all of his energy, if he gets shit all the time.

players are different- some will just not run a marathon in each game- and it’s fine that you don’t play them- but with this shitty alternatives- he simply cannot do this.

it’s shit man management.

after we had got some alternatives- I would fully back him- but this is just plain stupid when we end up with this line up his stance has gotten us.

and what some shit interviews ass well.
we all know theres a difference in quality, but imo he just makes excuses for a coming loss- and ofcourse that mentality rubb off to players.
How many times must he say that the won the CL??? i’ve heard it in at least 5 different interviews.

i do think he will come good if he gets the 10 players he wants- but I seriously think Potter had gotten a better tune of our squad in these Chelsea games.

Rant off

deary me

rossdapep · Jan 24, 2022

Been thinking about Conte's interview and I believe he's in this for a longer haul than Inter and Chelsea.

He has repeatedly said he needs to be patient and that this isn't about 1 or 2 windows. He also says the level is far off winning. He's mentioned 2-3 years.

If he is saying all that, it's because he believes he will be here and overseeing it otherwise he wouldn't have taken the job on. He knows it's a longer project.

I believe that this window is mostly to push players out the door mostly, whilst bringing in 2 or 3 to give us some stability.

So that by the time we get to the summer he has a very defined group of players who will stay because they are committed. That means players like Lo Celso and Gollini are likely to be available as they aren't showing enough or have voiced dissatisfaction.

Then in the summer I think we'll look to get the spine of the team right. A CF, a quality CB, a dynamic CM.

This will allow us to compete higher, possibly maintain a top 4 spot.

But the bigger picture and objective for Conte will be for him to have a squad by 23/24 that is ready to take advantage of Pep leaving or Klopp leaving.

I think there's way too much to do before next season in order to compete. He knows that. It may be a season where we look like a top quality team again but it'll lack the depth or some pieces will still be missing. I think him and Paratici will have spoken about this as a target (otherwise what is the point in him being here).

Of course these plans will fall down of he doesnt get his desired targets this summer.

beats1 · Jan 24, 2022

Conte got the tactics wrong today. tanganga has no confidence and shouldn’t be playing as for the left side, it was horrific

hopefully we never see Davies at lb and sessgnon at left side again

Also we can’t compete with Sessegnon and Doherty as wing backs. As wing backs both are poor at progressing the ball, both good in the final third but unlike Emerson, who is terrible in the final third but good at dribbling forward with it

ZiggySpurs · Jan 24, 2022

SpursSince1980 · Jan 24, 2022

spursfan77 said:
Is he though?

Is he?

DannyNZ · Jan 24, 2022

Cochise said:
If Reguilon, Skipp, Emerson and Lucas were all carrying knocks and Conte didn't want to risk them starting then I'm not sure about what options we had. There are no other forward players fit and no other midfielders (seeing as GLC, Dele and N'Dombele are all out of favour).

How does GLC go from playing the last 20 minutes against Leicester a few days ago and doing fine to not being able to make the Match day squad. Makes zero sense.

Danny1 · Jan 24, 2022

ZiggySpurs said:

This just goes to show how dumb the general fan is doesn’t it. Does anyone actually think that Conte wouldn’t choose Reguilon, Skipp and Lucas if they were fully fit.

Does anyone actually think Conte would change from his tried, trusted and winning formula of 3-5-2 if he didn’t have to due to the players available to him.

If anyone does actually think the above then they are, quite simply, an idiot.

Hakkz · Jan 24, 2022

DannyNZ said:
How does GLC go from playing the last 20 minutes against Leicester a few days ago and doing fine to not being able to make the Match day squad. Makes zero sense.

Probably just resting for the Argentina games.

spursfan77 · Jan 24, 2022

Just as the club cannot keep hoping that Ndombele or Lo Celso suddenly justify their huge fees, or that Alli reproduces something near his best form.

Conte needs players he can rely upon, and, right now, he has precious few.

With their games in hand and Manchester United, Arsenal and West Ham United not exactly convincing, Tottenham can still push hard for fourth place, but only if changes are made over the coming days. The pressure is on Levy, rather than his head coach, this time.

Antonio Conte has precious few players to rely on - Daniel Levy needs to move on Spurs' dead wood

Next week, the closing stage of the transfer window, is critical to Tottenham’s hopes of maintaining any sort of top-four challenge

www.telegraph.co.uk

Archibald&Crooks · Jan 24, 2022

MightySpurs said:
Conte seems rather stubborn and “easy” to “clinch” with.

and we don’t have the luxury now, to have this going on.

if he, as a world class manager, had said to LoCelso, Ndombele and Dele that thay where world class players and just needed to step up a little, I don’t think we would be in this position now.

now wonder Ndombele has lost all of his energy, if he gets shit all the time.

players are different- some will just not run a marathon in each game- and it’s fine that you don’t play them- but with this shitty alternatives- he simply cannot do this.

it’s shit man management.

after we had got some alternatives- I would fully back him- but this is just plain stupid when we end up with this line up his stance has gotten us.

and what some shit interviews ass well.
we all know theres a difference in quality, but imo he just makes excuses for a coming loss- and ofcourse that mentality rubb off to players.
How many times must he say that the won the CL??? i’ve heard it in at least 5 different interviews.

i do think he will come good if he gets the 10 players he wants- but I seriously think Potter had gotten a better tune of our squad in these Chelsea games.

Rant off

There's so many holes in this that i'm sure in the cold light of day you'll think to yourself 'ooops'

Not least of all you have no idea what Conte has said to anyone. None whatsoever, it's pure guesswork and a poor guess at that. These players haven't performed for quite some time. For any manager. Surely you can see you're pointing the finger at the wrong target here. I honestly cannot see any way in which you can come to such a conclusion.

Ghost Hardware · Jan 24, 2022

DannyNZ said:
How does GLC go from playing the last 20 minutes against Leicester a few days ago and doing fine to not being able to make the Match day squad. Makes zero sense.

Unless he pulled a strop, which I doubt although who knows, I don’t get it ether. For example Doherty is bad, really bad, and I doubt he’s in Conte’s plans yet he still gets starts. Why not Gio , what exactly changed between Wednesday and Sunday. I can only assume he’s trying to force all three to find other clubs but unless they have been acting up (which Ndombele prob has) we were in dire need yesterday of more attacking options and was a really strange choice.

GutBucket · Jan 24, 2022

Ghost Hardware said:
Unless he pulled a strop, which I doubt although who knows, I don’t get it ether. For example Doherty is bad, really bad, and I doubt he’s in Conte’s plans yet he still gets starts. Why not Gio , what exactly changed between Wednesday and Sunday. I can only assume he’s trying to force all three to find other clubs but unless they have been acting up (which Ndombele prob has) we were in dire need yesterday of more attacking options and was a really strange choice.

Looks like it wasn't his decision, him, Ndombele and Dele are being saved for a possible transfer.

Ghost Hardware · Jan 24, 2022

GutBucket said:
Looks like it wasn't his decision, him, Ndombele and Dele are being saved for a possible transfer.

I read that yesterday, didn’t he say the same thing regarding Dele and Ndombele tho?

FibreOpticJesus · Jan 24, 2022

DannyNZ said:
How does GLC go from playing the last 20 minutes against Leicester a few days ago and doing fine to not being able to make the Match day squad. Makes zero sense.

I think it is his desire to play for Argentina rather than working with the AC an the squad after his injury that pissed off all at Spurs.

Dean · Jan 24, 2022

Spurs braced for pivotal week that could decide Antonio Conte future

The Italian has been short when pushed over the state of his Spurs side, with investment top of his priorities this month as the January transfer window closes

www.independent.co.uk

Same shit, different manager.

Makes for depressing reading.

Stuart Leathercock · Jan 24, 2022

MightySpurs said:
Conte seems rather stubborn and “easy” to “clinch” with.

and we don’t have the luxury now, to have this going on.

if he, as a world class manager, had said to LoCelso, Ndombele and Dele that thay where world class players and just needed to step up a little, I don’t think we would be in this position now.

now wonder Ndombele has lost all of his energy, if he gets shit all the time.

players are different- some will just not run a marathon in each game- and it’s fine that you don’t play them- but with this shitty alternatives- he simply cannot do this.

it’s shit man management.

after we had got some alternatives- I would fully back him- but this is just plain stupid when we end up with this line up his stance has gotten us.

and what some shit interviews ass well.
we all know theres a difference in quality, but imo he just makes excuses for a coming loss- and ofcourse that mentality rubb off to players.
How many times must he say that the won the CL??? i’ve heard it in at least 5 different interviews.

i do think he will come good if he gets the 10 players he wants- but I seriously think Potter had gotten a better tune of our squad in these Chelsea games.

Rant off

If Conte had done what you said we’d now have three half arsed players, ambling around, not putting the club first and doing very little, if anything, to change our results but likely have the chairman thinking ‘i don’t need to spend money getting him players as he’s got Ndombele, Lo Celso and Dele’.

Conte is doing the very thing that our club has needed for years…. Letting the chairman know in no uncertain terms that we NEED new players.

Wit’s the club operating the pathetic ‘get one out before getting one in’ policy that we’ve operated for years Conte is doing all he can to help getting some out so that he might be allowed to get some in. I’m not really holding my breath in either case however.

Aphex · Jan 24, 2022

Dean said:
Spurs braced for pivotal week that could decide Antonio Conte future

The Italian has been short when pushed over the state of his Spurs side, with investment top of his priorities this month as the January transfer window closes

www.independent.co.uk

Same shit, different manager.

Makes for depressing reading.

It’s an opinion piece. It’s not dealing in many facts at all.

I do think the holding on to max value players has been a problem, but then we never really know which offers we’ve had for certain players.

If they’ve been derisory offers, even for deadwood, then the club can’t just accept them for the sake of it. They are still assets all the same.

The issue we’ve had though I feel, is that the club actively doesn’t always want to sell these players. Based partly on not wanting to take a loss on what we bought them for, but also because of a ego thing, the in wants to develop them and see them fulfill their potential. The issue is some of these players aren’t good enough and never again will be.

Alli should have left multiple windows ago. Winks should have too. Yes he’s got a bit better but I think majority of us would want a better CM bought in in his place.

Same will probably happen with Tanganga but maybe we are learning our lesson with him and he will go to Milan.

The club needs to be ruthless, if you aren’t good enough just sell. Maybe now under Conte and FP we will see that.

Knowing the right time to sell players and replace with quality is the art of running a football club.

Liverpool have nailed it recently and united under Ferguson were masters at it.

Chelsea and city they just keep spending and hoover up the worlds best talent.

I hope the ruthless rebuild we do need is finally going to happen.

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