Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

0-Tibsy-0 · Mar 11, 2022

Led's Zeppelin said:
I’d have a bit more sympathy for the supporters had they acknowledged the unacceptable source of their corruptly-bought success, rather than celebrate it as though winning a cup justifies any amount of harm done to innocent people in the process.

It doesn’t sit right with me. Feel sympathy for football supporters sure, but when they failed even to acknowledge let alone sympathise with the innocent people who were damaged in ways that go far beyond watching a football club struggle after years of corrupt success….it just feels that we’re still looking in the completely wrong direction.

Also it proves to me that Abramovich and Putin have for years got what they wanted: pervert sport in order to whitewash the criminal sources of their wealth and influence to blind people to the corrupt and damaging activities underlying their power.

And now Newcastle fans awould in my opinion do well to stop and think whether they really believe it’s worth paying with peoples lives and liberty to avoid relegation, and how these attitudes affect far more people in far bigger ways than a few Chelsea fc employees, as would the rest of the entire structure that supports the worlds most popular and influential sport.

More eloquently put than me. Agreed.

kaz Hirai · Mar 11, 2022

are chelsea in real danger of becoming a Nottingham forest or something? or is just a brief bit of funny?

Deleted member 27855 · Mar 11, 2022

How will Chelsea stay solvent until the end of the season? They have a massive wage bill that outpaces their actual earnings that was being paid for by their billionaire oligarch sugar daddy. They aren't selling tickets. They aren't selling merchandise.

I don't see how they will finish the season under the circumstances. Is the government going to subsidize them? Nothing about this makes sense right now.

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 11, 2022

Unpopular onions alert

This business about decent fans should question this and that. How do you know some of them didn't? Exactly how loud do you think that obvious minority would be? How would you know?

There are a large number of abhorrent shit****s supporting Chelsea, those are the fans that deserve our criticism and ridicule not the undoubtably large number of decent supporters who are having sympathy tempered or justified with 'they should have'. It's not a perfect world and a LOT of supporters of football clubs care about what they see on the pitch and not the other stuff. Ideally, that's not how it should be but sadly, that's how it is. Unfortunately they all get tarred with the same brush.

KILLA_SIN · Mar 11, 2022

In a private letter to Conservative MPs, seen by the Guardian, the culture secretary, Nadine Dorries, made it clear the government wanted to ensure that Chelsea survived, and saw the club as a cultural asset. “The government understands that today’s sanctions will have a direct impact on the club, its fans and the wider football pyramid,” Dorries wrote. “We have therefore been working hard to ensure that the national game, the Premier League, the club and its fans are not unnecessarily harmed by these important sanctions.”

KILLA_SIN · Mar 11, 2022

They wont be the same club but they wont be allowed to go bust

dudu · Mar 11, 2022

easley91 said:
What about those who are genuine folk that loved the club prior to Abramovich? Can we feel sorry for them or are you and everyone else putting them under the same brush? My dad has been a blue since he was a child. I feel sorry for him. His whole life dedicated to a club may end in a way nobody saw coming. Regardless of Abramovich and his money or the trophies they won in that time, a club going out of business because its owner is linked with an invasion is insane. The genuine fans like my dad may have their club taken away and it has come out of nowhere.

I feel for the genuine fans and the staff who work at the club. The admin staff. The people nobody gives a damn about apparently. Nobody has thought about them losing their jobs have they?

You do make some fair points and I do have a bit of sympathy for some but let's be very honest If your dad the staff etc did not see this coming you would have to ask why? The invasion and his ties to it are just the straw that broke the camel's back. Information on 1) how Abramovich has earned his money 2) his ties to Putin and 3) how he spends his money at Chelsea is readily available.

I understand anyone's desire to not be entirely concerned with that, as a supporter, as an employee etc but then, it seems like that is potentially something that should have been a concern for people all along.

This should be a watershed moment for Chelsea fans to say good riddance. We don't want your tainted money that is helping the war effort and potentially war crimes to be committed.

Surely some things have to be more important than your team winning a trophhy.

Geyzer Soze · Mar 11, 2022

easley91 said:
What about those who are genuine folk that loved the club prior to Abramovich? Can we feel sorry for them or are you and everyone else putting them under the same brush? My dad has been a blue since he was a child. I feel sorry for him. His whole life dedicated to a club may end in a way nobody saw coming. Regardless of Abramovich and his money or the trophies they won in that time, a club going out of business because its owner is linked with an invasion is insane. The genuine fans like my dad may have their club taken away and it has come out of nowhere.

I feel for the genuine fans and the staff who work at the club. The admin staff. The people nobody gives a damn about apparently. Nobody has thought about them losing their jobs have they?

Rob · Mar 11, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
Unpopular onions alert

This business about decent fans should question this and that. How do you know some of them didn't? Exactly how loud do you think that obvious minority would be? How would you know?

There are a large number of abhorrent shit****s supporting Chelsea, those are the fans that deserve our criticism and ridicule not the undoubtably large number of decent supporters who are having sympathy tempered or justified with 'they should have'. It's not a perfect world and a LOT of supporters of football clubs care about what they see on the pitch and not the other stuff. Ideally, that's not how it should be but sadly, that's how it is. Unfortunately they all get tarred with the same brush.

On the one hand I see what you're saying, on the other hand, I'd hope this "silent majority" might turn around and shut up any "fans" hissing at matches. At some stage, they're all complicit if they do nothing.

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 11, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
Unpopular onions alert

This business about decent fans should question this and that. How do you know some of them didn't? Exactly how loud do you think that obvious minority would be? How would you know?

There are a large number of abhorrent shit****s supporting Chelsea, those are the fans that deserve our criticism and ridicule not the undoubtably large number of decent supporters who are having sympathy tempered or justified with 'they should have'. It's not a perfect world and a LOT of supporters of football clubs care about what they see on the pitch and not the other stuff. Ideally, that's not how it should be but sadly, that's how it is. Unfortunately they all get tarred with the same brush.

The point is that propaganda works, whitewashing or sportwashing or whatever we call it, works because the decent fans will, by and large, be carried along with the euphoria of winning trophies, and fail to do what decent people might otherwise do, and question what is really happening.

And it’s this process that very directly helps empower tyrants like Putin.

So whilst there are undoubtedly Chelsea fans who abhor what their club has done, they are not the real victims in all of this any more than the the supporters of all the other clubs who have been affected by Chelsea's perversion of the game, and far far less victims than all the people in the world outside football who have been affected by the activities that funded them.

So if we’re talking about where sympathy ought to be directed, silent Chelsea supporters and those who celebrated every game they won and now have little more to mourn than the prospect of losing corrupt funding aren’t high on my list even if they are little different from most other “decent” people.

1882andallthat · Mar 11, 2022

easley91 said:
"The day we start feeling sorry for Chelsea fans is the day we should consider packing it all in."

Sorry for assuming you mean all fans, but this implies all fans regardless of the rest of your post.

It really doesn't, as you've taken a selective part of a quote and come to that conclusion by separating it from the whole quote. If you read the two together as the whole statement that I made, then that is the extent of what I said rather than part of the quote you've selected.

I included the second part deliberately by referring to the fact that I said a sizeable minority so as to emphasise I didn't mean all of them. Unfortunately you have come to the conclusion I was trying to avoid. Partly my fault for posting and potentially leaving it possible for other posters to read it that way. Again for the avoidance of doubt it wasn't meant that way, I still stand by my what I meant in that I was referring to a 'sizeable minority' and John Terry which isn't all, and is less than most by definition.

spursfan77 · Mar 11, 2022

I wonder if those people who are saying they’ll be fine, get sold and survive are the same people who doubted the government would impose sanctions on abrahmovich?

Sometimes shit happens to other football clubs of their own accord, not just us.

CoopsieDeadpool · Mar 11, 2022

Colonel Dax said:

Check out the response from "Stevechels" in another forum I help with.

(and yep, the post above is from a very anti ENIC Spurs fan)

Dougal · Mar 11, 2022

easley91 said:
What about those who are genuine folk that loved the club prior to Abramovich? Can we feel sorry for them or are you and everyone else putting them under the same brush? My dad has been a blue since he was a child. I feel sorry for him. His whole life dedicated to a club may end in a way nobody saw coming. Regardless of Abramovich and his money or the trophies they won in that time, a club going out of business because its owner is linked with an invasion is insane. The genuine fans like my dad may have their club taken away and it has come out of nowhere.

I feel for the genuine fans and the staff who work at the club. The admin staff. The people nobody gives a damn about apparently. Nobody has thought about them losing their jobs have they?

They were close to going under 20 years ago. It’s just who they are. There’s a lot of clubs that went under without a bonus 20 years of success before doing so. And their clubs were a lot less scummy than Chelsea*. I honestly don’t care if they go under. The whole club is a cesspit.

Marty · Mar 11, 2022

kaz Hirai said:
are chelsea in real danger of becoming a Nottingham forest or something? or is just a brief bit of funny?

Too soon to tell. That all depends on who eventually buys the club and how they manage it.

nailsy · Mar 11, 2022

I didn't know where else to post this, but this really annoyed me the other day. I was listening to one of the big football podcasts and they spent the first part of the show talking about Chelsea and other teams who funded success with dodgy money, then in the next part of the show they were talking about Tottenham and how we haven't won anything for years and how there must be something wrong with the DNA of the club. Obviously it's not the only reason we haven't won anything recently, but if they can't currently use joined up thinking to see the link between Chelsea and other artificially wealthy clubs winning trophies ahead of those who try and do it the right way I'm not sure they'll ever see the link.

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 11, 2022

Rob said:
On the one hand I see what you're saying, on the other hand, I'd hope this "silent majority" might turn around and shut up any "fans" hissing at matches. At some stage, they're all complicit if they do nothing.

I would guess that a large number of the silent majority don't go week in week out

RJR1949 · Mar 11, 2022

A true story of football fans.

it was the season when Spurs finished 4th but stood to lose out on the Champions League if Chelsea won the final.

My friend Terry had been a big Chelsea fan since his childhood and was terminally ill with cancer.

He said to me “You know, I think I’d die happy if I saw Chelsea win the Champions League”.

To which I replied “F* ck off Terry I still want to Chelsea to lose”.

My wife gave a sharp intake of breath as if I’d said something dreadful and Terry said “Football fans! I love it”.

Terry died 2 years later. I still miss him. Not all Chelsea fans are mindless idiots.

KILLA_SIN · Mar 11, 2022

New owners wont prop them up with loans and write off their debts the way RA did. In terms of Turnover theiy are not much bigger than we are

kursaal · Mar 11, 2022

Seen elsewhere:

"CHELSEA WHEREEVER YOU MAY BE

NOT LONG NOW TILL BANCKRUPCY

BACK WHERE YOU WERE IN 2003

RENT BOYS WITH NO HISTORY."

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