Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

GMI · Mar 11, 2022

An unexpectedly good article by Martin Samuel. It almost feels like journalists are now feeling they are safer to put this in print than they were 24hrs ago and it’s starting to pour out. As posted in the thread there have been a few brave people that have been banging this drum for years but it’s now coming out all over the place.

SAMUEL: Chelsea knew where money came from now it's time to pay bill

MARTIN SAMUEL: The same money that propelled Chelsea to the pinnacle of football, also propelled rockets into a maternity hospital in Mariupol.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Albertbarich · Mar 11, 2022

Hard for me to care at the moment.

Theyre now a huge football club so will land on their feet.

Meanwhile you have huge sections of the media praising Eddie howe as he helps the ultimate blood money team and pep wearing refugee jumpers whilst being employed by that lot.

Unless this is a real turning point in getting horrible governments or gangsters away from from football all that will happen is Newcastle enjoying the same fruits that chelsea have.

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 11, 2022

The unsavoury chanting last night did their club no favours. Again.

Those are the kind of fans I have no sympathy for.

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 11, 2022

Albertbarich said:
Hard for me to care at the moment.

Theyre now a huge football club so will land on their feet.

Meanwhile you have huge sections of the media praising Eddie howe as he helps the ultimate blood money team and pep wearing refugee jumpers whilst being employed by that lot.

Unless this is a real turning point in getting horrible governments or gangsters away from from football all that will happen is Newcastle enjoying the same fruits that chelsea have.

i Hope, almost certainly in vain, that the football authorities start to take this whole issue seriously.

I now I feel totally stupid, yet again, for even entertaining such a ridiculous idea.

Styopa · Mar 11, 2022

Led's Zeppelin said:
The point is that propaganda works, whitewashing or sportwashing or whatever we call it, works because the decent fans will, by and large, be carried along with the euphoria of winning trophies, and fail to do what decent people might otherwise do, and question what is really happening.

And it’s this process that very directly helps empower tyrants like Putin.

So whilst there are undoubtedly Chelsea fans who abhor what their club has done, they are not the real victims in all of this any more than the the supporters of all the other clubs who have been affected by Chelsea's perversion of the game, and far far less victims than all the people in the world outside football who have been affected by the activities that funded them.

So if we’re talking about where sympathy ought to be directed, silent Chelsea supporters and those who celebrated every game they won and now have little more to mourn than the prospect of losing corrupt funding aren’t high on my list even if they are little different from most other “decent” people.

Whilst the focus is of course on Chesea fans, I think we need to keep in mind that everyone who "consumes" Premier League football (for example), have been morally complicit in enabling the various tyrants, dictators and super rich who run the clubs. We could say the supporters of the clubs owned by the most obviously tyrannical individuals or regimes have special duties to protest against that ownership. However by continuing to follow the league we are all endorsing it and thereby helping to promote the interests of the aforementioned owners even if we are not fans of the specific clubs in question.

I think from the perspective of the footballing world, the focus should be that we have a game which was once owned by the community now being ruled over by some of the most dangerous, corrupt regimes in the world and being weaponised by those regimes to tighten their grip on power. We as the people should stand with those who suffer at the hands of those tyrants and, we as fans of football, should object to our game being used in this way, irrespective of which club we support.

Trix · Mar 11, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
The unsavoury chanting last night did their club no favours. Again.

Those are the kind of fans I have no sympathy for.

I don't really have any sympathy for any of them, probably because I'm very confident they'll be ok. All this is going to mean medium to long term is that they are back to having to fight on an even keel. In the short term they are going to really struggle but I just call that leveling up.

If I actually knew any Chelsea fans that had been concerned throughout about where the money had come from, or what Roman was doing to the game I might feel differently. My experience with Chelsea fans however was that whenever it was brought up in conversation, it was always just dismissed as jealousy and their situation was no different to United always spending and Jack Walkers Blackburn.

TLDR??

Fuck them, they'll be ok in the long term.

Dougal · Mar 11, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
The unsavoury chanting last night did their club no favours. Again.

Those are the kind of fans I have no sympathy for.

It’s not even that they’ve been brainwashed. Good people turned by the success of a cash input and trophies. They were scum to begin with. The least deserving of the times they’ve had.

Rob · Mar 11, 2022

Trix said:
Fuck them, they'll be ok in the long term.

I guess it's a question of what 'ok' means. I'd say it's probably good for us. Without the financial doping, abuse of the loan system, etc they'll end up on our level along with Arsenal/Man U, targeting the top 4 and I wouldn't put them favourites amongst the 4 of us.

Albertbarich · Mar 11, 2022

Led's Zeppelin said:
i Hope, almost certainly in vain, that the football authorities start to take this whole issue seriously.

I now I feel totally stupid, yet again, for even entertaining such a ridiculous idea.

Yep , just go on social media and see Eddie howe trending.

People with Ukraine flags praising them without a hint of irony.

Dean Smith proclaiming they're foot footballers not politicians.

It's a sport fueled by greed and willing ignorance. Still better take the knee at the weekend right?!

brasil_spur · Mar 11, 2022

Col_M said:
Sounds like a familiar argument

Can't say i'm surprised to see a massive **** talking about us sanctioning another bunch of massive ****s. I wonder how much dirty Russian money ended up in his pockets.

Metalhead · Mar 11, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
The unsavoury chanting last night did their club no favours. Again.

Those are the kind of fans I have no sympathy for.

It feels like the John Terry situation whereby they turn it into an 'us and them' regardless of the morality of the situation.

wakefieldyid · Mar 11, 2022

KILLA_SIN said:
They wont be the same club but they wont be allowed to go bust

There's a huge amount of hypebole being thrown around at the moment. Just consider what happened to Glasgow Rangers in 2012, when they went into liquidation and had to reapply to join the low levels of the Scottish League. Was it really the end of Scottish football as we knew it? A brief glance at the current league table will show everyone that Rangers refound their level relatively quickly.

goughie1966 · Mar 11, 2022

Cavehillspur said:
Nike apparently "considering" pulling out now too.

That's Nike of them to consider it :cautious:

brasil_spur · Mar 11, 2022

Rob said:
At what stage will everyone's hindsight kick in on the UAE, Saudis, etc?

UAE won't kick in anytime soon. They've done an amazing job at white washing their country through tourism. As long as people in the west keep travelling to Dubai for holidays and jobs then UAE will stay well clear of any pushback.

Saudi is a different situation as no-one is going to Riyadh for their all-inclusive instagram packed holiday. Plus the Khashoggi thing is still in a lot of people's minds. That being said it's not on our doorstep and there is an innate prejudice (racism) towards the Arab world, so for many people Arabs killing other Arabs isn't going to create the same emotive response that Russians killing Europeans is. Its awful that it is that way, but that's largely how it is.

brasil_spur · Mar 11, 2022

KILLA_SIN said:
They wont be the same club but they wont be allowed to go bust

You're probably right, but the market should decide that, no-one else. If there is a fit a proper investor who wants to buy the club and following all due diligence and proper process the club is transferred over to that person then so be it. But that should be the only way here, no-one should be going out of their way to stop them going bust.

The Apprentice · Mar 11, 2022

ItsBoris said:
You're arguing that Abramovich should be sanctioned, as though I'm saying he shouldn't be. I'm arguing over a more nuanced point that you're not addressing.

Nuance Klaxon! Take a drink.

topper · Mar 11, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
I would guess that a large number of the silent majority don't go week in week out

Well they certainly won’t be for the for the foreseeable future

thebenjamin · Mar 11, 2022

GMI said:
An unexpectedly good article by Martin Samuel. It almost feels like journalists are now feeling they are safer to put this in print than they were 24hrs ago and it’s starting to pour out. As posted in the thread there have been a few brave people that have been banging this drum for years but it’s now coming out all over the place.

SAMUEL: Chelsea knew where money came from now it's time to pay bill

MARTIN SAMUEL: The same money that propelled Chelsea to the pinnacle of football, also propelled rockets into a maternity hospital in Mariupol.

www.dailymail.co.uk

What's coming out now is that any journalist who tried to publish anything remotely anti-RA got set upon by his lawyers and threatened with all sorts of career-ending litigation.

thebenjamin · Mar 11, 2022

Rob said:
I guess it's a question of what 'ok' means. I'd say it's probably good for us. Without the financial doping, abuse of the loan system, etc they'll end up on our level along with Arsenal/Man U, targeting the top 4 and I wouldn't put them favourites amongst the 4 of us.

Long term they'll be considerably worse off than us. If they aren't financially doped they will have to more of less halve their wage bill. Which will mean no more CL qualification, which will mean less money, drifting away from the top positions. If both clubs are playing by the rules, our stadium puts us miles ahead.

Tucker · Mar 11, 2022

wakefieldyid said:
There's a huge amount of hypebole being thrown around at the moment. Just consider what happened to Glasgow Rangers in 2012, when they went into liquidation and had to reapply to join the low levels of the Scottish League. Was it really the end of Scottish football as we knew it? A brief glance at the current league table will show everyone that Rangers refound their level relatively quickly.

That’s not really a good example. Rangers have a massive supporter base, and a huge stadium. Working their way past the part timers and minnows of the Scottish lower leagues was like shooting fish in a barrel. There are two clubs as big as rangers in the Scottish pyramid. All the others are tiny by comparison.

Within the English pyramid there’s at least half a dozen clubs who’d exceed Chelsea for stadium revenue, and probably another half a dozen who’d match them.

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