The January Transfer Scouting Thread

Rosco1984 · Nov 29, 2022

Trix said:
The whole point of bringing in Fabio is his ability to find top players on low contracts, or out of favour and convinces them to come. So whilst money will inevitably need to be spent it shouldn't need to be in the realms that the other bigun's are spending. Let's be honest Poch worked miracles but those miracles had long since faded before he left. If he came in now we'd basically have to completely reboot again, which takes more time and money.

I fully agree Poch had run his course and the players were burnt out. I was also bemused by his love of the diamond when it was a disaster every time we used it in that last year. I completely agree that Paratici seems to work some miracles in the transfer market but I would think even the free's will get more expensive in terms of wages wit even more money likely to come into united and liverpool if stories are to be believed and Newcastles faster than expected progress is making them a more attractive proposal as well. Kind of feels like we may have to be in a position of being the only top english team interested to land a player.

npearl4spurs · Nov 29, 2022

Timberwolf said:
Yeah fair enough.

Was more making the point that Poch got like 30m net spend in 4 years and Conte got 150m net in 9 months. True that Conte did amazingly last season with one window, but he'd 100% walk if he got "Poch" levels of investment over the next few seasons.

Not saying Poch is better by any means - the league was different back then and a lot less competitive. But hard to see Conte being happy with the kind of investment Poch got at Spurs.

But look at the words you've typed! Conte just got the 150m investment and what time has he had to work with it? And we are still sitting in 4th right now! Where is everyone's heads gone? We have more than half a season left, still in CL and fighting in the PL, have had injuries oto important players and Son who has dropped off a cliff, yet we are still right there.

And he's not going to get Poch levels of investment. We aren't where we were 6-8 years ago. The stadium is done. The league has changed. We can't, and shouldn't, do what we did during Poch's time here. We have to keep pressing forward and spend the money that we have the ability to spend.

Where do y'all think that has come from? Luck? Levy? No, wake up and open your eyes - Antonio Conte. (This part not directed at you, but others)

Rosco1984 · Nov 29, 2022

npearl4spurs said:
Where did I argue Poch didn't do it on a shoestring [budget]? Your reading comprehension is bizarre, bro.

sorry mate read your post thinking you were carrying on the previous poster's narrative that poch wasn't cheaper than conte he most definitely was. those 4 years were a miracle in terms of outperforming spend and the best football to watch of any manager I can remember he just isn't a winner like Conte is.

Timberwolf · Nov 29, 2022

npearl4spurs said:
But look at the words you've typed! Conte just got the 150m investment and what time has he had to work with it? And we are still sitting in 4th right now! Where is everyone's heads gone? We have more than half a season left, still in CL and fighting in the PL, have had injuries oto important players and Son who has dropped off a cliff, yet we are still right there.

Where do y'all think that has come from? Luck? Levy? No, wake up and open your eyes - Antonio Conte. (This part not directed at you, but others)

Yeah don't get me wrong - I think Conte has worked wonders and is doing a fantastic job.

My point was never to do down Conte. I was merely discussing how Levy might take a simplistic view of the situation and use it as an excuse to bring back Poch.

I think we both agree about Conte tbh.

But also no denying Poch achieved great things on very little money.

npearl4spurs · Nov 29, 2022

Rosco1984 said:
sorry mate read your post thinking you were carrying on the previous poster's narrative that poch wasn't cheaper than conte he most definitely was. those 4 years were a miracle in terms of outperforming spend and the best football to watch of any manager I can remember he just isn't a winner like Conte is.

I have to agree with all of that. It was fun with Poch. It was. It was a banging time (most of the time). But it wasn't meant to last (at least when they didn't back him for multiple windows).

It's time to move on and put a ring on the finger of the gem of a manager we have.

EDIT: sorry if I've taken off topic, forgot I was in this thread vs. Conte thread. They both seem to run together.

Flobadob · Nov 29, 2022

brasil_spur said:
You can't really include those out on loan in the numbers though, as options exist for several of them.

Out of the 25 registered squad players there are several who are clearly not Conte players:

Emerson, Doherty, Tanganga, Gil and Sarr.

Realistically we need to shift as many of those as we have incoming players in Jan. I can sell Gil and Sarr getting loans for the rest of the season and we're going to have to cut our loses on Doherty and/or Emerson to shift one of them.

Unfair to lump Sarr in that category tbh. I think once he’s developed he’s likely going to be a very athletic box to box midfielder that would probably have a part to play for us even under Conte. He’s only just turned 20 and already looks pretty mature for his age from what I’ve seen. I think he’s gonna be a good player and turn out to be a smart signing for us long term

Rosco1984 · Nov 29, 2022

npearl4spurs said:
I have to agree with all of that. It was fun with Poch. It was. It was a banging time (most of the time). But it wasn't meant to last (at least when they didn't back him for multiple windows).

It's time to move on and put a ring on the finger of the gem of a manager we have.

EDIT: sorry if I've taken off topic, forgot I was in this thread vs. Conte thread. They both seem to run together.

Bringing it back on topic for this thread I am torn whether I think it's best to try and win at all costs with Conte in terms of the players we target or be more realistic and make it fun again with young exciting talents. I just think the odds are so heavily stacked against even Conte with the way the game is going are we just setting ourselves up for more pain and an inevitable meltdown.

DenverSpur · Nov 29, 2022

Tucker said:
In fairness that van kept going through thick and thin. Only broke down that one time when they were dressed as Batman and Robin.

Classic episode.

IamSpurtacus · Nov 29, 2022

hero said:
If they are not going to spend massively on the transfer market

I took this to mean in Jan, rather than ever.

I assume come season's end, when our financial picture is more clear (CL qualification or not) we'll have a better idea of budget and be willing to spend on the right player (as we were this summer with Richarlison / Bastoni etc)

KaribYid · Nov 29, 2022

I absolutely love Poch but if Levy sabotages his relationship with Conte with the intention to bring Poch back then heads should roll.

We were told that with the stadium we'd be able to compete with the big boys. Yes Conte is demanding but we should be able to back him. Look how many millions Arsenal have backed Arteta with over the years with no CL football and no significant player sales.

I was just listening to the Price of Football podcast with Kieran Maguire and in answering the question of the most profitable club, the answer was "by far and away Tottenham Hotspur" where he then goes on to mention that we've earned more profits than any PL team and 4x more profits than Liverpool.

We have the ability to back the manager, we have the DoF who can get deals done. There's no more room for excuses. Hopefully the murmurs coming out today are just that and we back the manager we have and he goes on to do with us what he's done at every club he's been at.

djhotspur · Nov 29, 2022

Rosco1984 said:
would explain why that ex seems to be turning down job offers at the moment. TBH I wouldn't be too upset I can't see us competing under Conte as much as I think he is more of a winner we just won't spend the money required to get the experienced players he wants when newcastle etc are all going to be even more flush with cash and we won't spend that way. The ex's ability to a tune out of younger players may be more suitable when we realise we can't compete for the players Conte would actually put on the pitch or we will end up with 10 more Spences sat watching a medicore safer option play.

Poch side relied on a high press, can you see that working at all with Kane and Son? Are we all forgetting how badly it ended with him.

KaribYid said:
I absolutely love Poch but if Levy sabotages his relationship with Conte with the intention to bring Poch back then heads should roll.

We were told that with the stadium we'd be able to compete with the big boys. Yes Conte is demanding but we should be able to back him. Look how many millions Arsenal have backed Arteta with over the years with no CL football and no significant player sales.

I was just listening to the Price of Football podcast with Kieran Maguire and in answering the question of the most profitable club, the answer was "by far and away Tottenham Hotspur" where he then goes on to mention that we've earned more profits than any PL team and 4x more profits than Liverpool.

We have the ability to back the manager, we have the DoF who can get deals done. There's no more room for excuses. Hopefully the murmurs coming out today are just that and we back the manager we have and he goes on to do with us what he's done at every club he's been at.

Yeah but it’s the same old story isn’t it. Levy won’t ever change and it will always be some excuse as to why we cannot compete and we cannot spend. If it happens again I’m really starting to give up on the club quite frankly.

IamSpurtacus · Nov 29, 2022

Trix said:
I'm more than ready to come in two footed on Levy with what I know, if he deliberately slows things down/blocks stuff to force Conte out which I wouldn't rule out right now. The official line is Conte will be backed but he's still far too friendly with a more submissive ex for my liking.

Thanks for sharing

I was hoping things had changed with the appointment of FP.

I will reserve judgement until we see what happens now and over summer., but If we don't back Conte and force him out, I don't see a path to winning while Levy is Chairman.

It will be more of the same - "nearly" men, just enough to rinse the fans but never enough to truly challenge.

CookieYiddo · Nov 29, 2022

Levy will go if it falls apart with Conte. Surely his is his last throw of the dice?

hero · Nov 29, 2022

CookieYiddo said:
Levy will go if it falls apart with Conte. Surely his is his last throw of the dice?

It was said here, that Joe Lewis' daughter might take control over the club with a completely different mindset.

Ghost Hardware · Nov 29, 2022

djhotspur said:
How has chiesa recovered from his injury? I loved him pre injury, thought he was exceptional

Sorry for the delayed reply. Forgot about the question, yes he just came back before the break, he only played 3 games but got an assist. He was clearly off the pace but the class was clearly still there and didn’t seem to be jaded too much.

Tyler24durden · Nov 29, 2022

Need to back conte full stop. Sooner levy and Enic fuck off the better imho.

great with infrastructure but not building a competitive team. Always short cuts

carmeldevil · Nov 29, 2022

Tyler24durden said:
Need to back conte full stop. Sooner levy and Eric fuck off the better imho.

great with infrastructure but not building a competitive team. Always short cuts

yeah fuck that Eric bastard.

mr ashley · Nov 29, 2022

Tyler24durden said:
Need to back conte full stop. Sooner levy and Eric fuck off the better imho.

great with infrastructure but not building a competitive team. Always short cuts

Bit harsh on dier

Hotspur33 · Nov 29, 2022

Trix said:
A player 'who' really wants in this position, You(the fans)? FP? Conte? Levy? Problem right now is everyone wants something different.

For Conte it's about the right player, irrelevant of cost. He couldn't care if that player cost 100mil or was a free transfer.
For Levy it's first and foremost about value for money and risk/reward. Not to mention every bean counter in the back of the picture having an opinion.
For many of the fans it's about the best player possible regardless of whether we could actually get them/cost/fit and in some cases they haven't even seen the player in question.

For FP it's a combination of everything but he has his own strong ideas on what the side needs, and what the players should and shouldn't be able to do, and they are not always the same as Conte's views.

At the end of the day it's the managers job to get things right on the pitch so it should be his decision because it's his head on the chopping block. People keep going on about his contract and I do have a bit of knowledge as to what has and hasn't been offered/discussed. I don't think it's really for the forum right now, but have posted it back of house a few weeks back. I'm more than ready to come in two footed on Levy with what I know, if he deliberately slows things down/blocks stuff to force Conte out which I wouldn't rule out right now. The official line is Conte will be backed but he's still far too friendly with a more submissive ex for my liking.

Levy certainly seems to listen to the match going fans when it comes to firing managers. There have been a lot of boos this season, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Levy is weighing up his options and keeping Poch sweet before pumping in a ton of money to try and possibly fail to make Conte happy.

Tucker · Nov 29, 2022

Can all of this doom and gloom be taken to the enic thread please?

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