Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Archibald-CPH · Jan 18, 2023

Set us up like Ajax or Arsenal under Wenger. Play the same system at the academy as the PL team. And keep the managers for several years.

After Conte..... who will come.... big names coaches have not been apple to find a solotion. I think many will say no thanks.

mil1lion · Jan 18, 2023

spursfan77 said:
We went from having a great defence to it being utterly terrible. I think that’s where a lot of problems lie. Why we aren’t trying to being in a Dier upgrade or even alternative now I’ll never know. I’m sure lots of our problems stem from his loss of form and everyone else’s loss of confidence in him. It’s such an important position glueing that back 3 or 5 together.

If we could just sort that out I think we’d be so much better. The drop off in his form coincides massively with our drop off as a strong defensive team.

I was thinking how different we would be if we had Vertonghen and Alderweireld with Romero in front of a top goalkeeper in his prime (like Lloris was back then). Add Walker and its a completely different looking side. 4 signings of that level but under this regime never going to be signed in one year.

SirNiNyHotspur · Jan 18, 2023

Dakes said:
I remember us flying and then played West Ham and crumbled suddenly towards the end of the game to snatch a draw from victory. It all went downhill after that game. The players seemed to doubt themselves and what he had witnessed seemed to scare the **** out of Jose as well. He could no longer trust them and they couldn't trust themselves.

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Yep I made the mistake of smuggly texting my Spam mate at 3-0 for that one, tbf he went easy on me, the other way around I probably wouldn't have been so kind. We played brilliant 1st haf, I thought we were going to annihilate them.

Jamturk · Jan 18, 2023

Archibald-CPH said:
"ENIC are like a parasite. A ruthless, insatiable investment firm that latches its teeth onto unsuspecting football clubs, before sinking them ever deeper into their operations. Slowly, but surely, the football clubs die a miserable death, their identities and DNA quietly eroded, while something altogether different takes shape in its place. Tottenham today are not a football club. They are, at best, a sports and leisure company. At worst, they are merely an arm of the English National Investment Company, an asset in a sprawling global real estate portfolio"

Wauw

This is a anti Semitic trope

mil1lion · Jan 18, 2023

SpursJord said:
They owned Slavia Prague, funnily enough I don't believe they ever won a Trophy under ENIC either.

Didn't they part own Rangers when they first took over? I seem to recall they had stakes in a few clubs before they let go and took more shares here.

Metalhead · Jan 18, 2023

Scott Spur said:
This is a must read......

The Great Con of Tottenham Hotspur - World of Hotspur

Share This: As fans’ restlessness and unease grows, Tottenham’s ownership seems primed to double down on their failed policies of the past 22 years. And while some may perceive Tottenham’s chronic malaise as neglect, or ineptitude, a closer look reveals far worse; everything is going exactly...

worldofhotspur.com

That is a depressing article.

Metalhead · Jan 18, 2023

Jamturk said:
This is a anti Semitic trope

Maybe he could just rephrase it as I'm uncomfortable with shouting down an argument like that.

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 18, 2023

Trix said:
Honestly mate I've been saying it for the longest time now. When you trust those behind you it allows you to play without fear, because you know they'll mop up. All this sideways passing in midfield and retreating further and further back isn't be design, it's borne out of fear. You can hear Conte(same thing with Jose) screaming at the players to play forward, and push up when we have possession and yet we always end up retreating backwards. yes without the ball they like to sit deep, but when we have it they want the players to be more progressive.

When the back line are scared they'll make mistakes it soon spreads through the entire team. I think Hugo is a major part of this problem as well.

Yep crazy to think conte a manager who builds his teams around defences hasn’t permanently been allowed to sign a single defensive player GK or in the back 5 aside from Perisic a 33yr old on a free.

If we went out and signed a top GK, CB and RWB say : Raya, Bastoni and Porro, we’d look a completely different team!

3atb/5atb needs CB’s who can defend and pass and bring the ball out of defence and it requires top quality wing backs who can defend, score and create and a reliable goalie behind them who can instill a sense of calm and can use their feet.

We have none of this at the moment so it’s no wonder Conteball isn’t working as he doesn’t have the tools he needs. It’s like in the recent article against Levy it says managers are doomed to fail from the start, it’s like saying to an F1 engineer to build a winning F1 car out of plywood and then make them the scapegoat when it is a load of shit.

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 18, 2023

Scott Spur said:
This is a must read......

The Great Con of Tottenham Hotspur - World of Hotspur

Share This: As fans’ restlessness and unease grows, Tottenham’s ownership seems primed to double down on their failed policies of the past 22 years. And while some may perceive Tottenham’s chronic malaise as neglect, or ineptitude, a closer look reveals far worse; everything is going exactly...

worldofhotspur.com

It’s absolutely ? bang on. And for this thread it shows why no matter who the manager is at spurs they are doomed to fail from the start.

chas vs dave · Jan 18, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
It’s absolutely ? bang on. And for this thread it shows why no matter who the manager is at spurs they are doomed to fail from the start.

Its a load of hyperbole, and a biased opinion piece.

Levy bad....conte good...

It's not a simple as that.

Archibald&Crooks · Jan 18, 2023

The investment of ENIC in Tottenham does not bode well for their supporters.

Their investments in football clubs have failed, with the exception of Vicenza, thanks to an exceptionally clever manager, and all largely because of an inability, or unwillingness to spend in accordance with their stakes.

Cornelius Sierhuis, AEK Athens chairman.

Spursfan1414 · Jan 18, 2023

Scott Spur said:
This is a must read......

The Great Con of Tottenham Hotspur - World of Hotspur

Share This: As fans’ restlessness and unease grows, Tottenham’s ownership seems primed to double down on their failed policies of the past 22 years. And while some may perceive Tottenham’s chronic malaise as neglect, or ineptitude, a closer look reveals far worse; everything is going exactly...

worldofhotspur.com

This is a complete hit piece and absolutely full of lies. It's not remotely objective analysis, I mean how can you write

"Why Bruno Fernandes had his bags packed to come to Spurs, and Levy reneged on the deal. "

Without acknowledging that we dropped our interest because we signed a different option, who was highly regarded at the time, for a big fee.

"Few players exemplify the ENIC con than Eric Dier. The Englishman was signed in 2014 as a backup RB. He failed there, but was tried by Pochettino as a defensive midfielder. He failed there, as well, and was used only sparingly as a 4th choice CB. Pochettino never fully trusted him, and with good reason."

Dier played 37/38, 36/38, 34/38 of our matches from 15/16 to 17/18. How is that being used sparingly? How is that failing as a defensive midfielder?

"Ben Davies was signed the same year as Dier, and was never anything more than a semi-competent backup for Danny Rose. Yet in 2023, he’s been promoted not just to the starting lineup, but in an entirely new position — as a left center back — for Antonio Conte."

Ben Davies has played that position, literally for years, before Conte every got hold of him for Wales.

And that's without mentioning the fact they've built the entire article around a quote they've altered to completely change the meaning, as others have already pointed out.

This article is ranges from deliberately omitting relevant facts to edited quotes to outright lies. Probably the worst bit of Spurs analysis I can remember reading.

H-SF · Jan 18, 2023

Spursfan1414 said:
This is a complete hit piece and absolutely full of lies. It's not remotely objective analysis, I mean how can you write

"Why Bruno Fernandes had his bags packed to come to Spurs, and Levy reneged on the deal. "

Without acknowledging that we dropped our interest because we signed a different option, who was highly regarded at the time, for a big fee.

"Few players exemplify the ENIC con than Eric Dier. The Englishman was signed in 2014 as a backup RB. He failed there, but was tried by Pochettino as a defensive midfielder. He failed there, as well, and was used only sparingly as a 4th choice CB. Pochettino never fully trusted him, and with good reason."

Dier played 37, 36, 34 of our matches from 15/16 to 17/18. How is that being used sparingly?

"Ben Davies was signed the same year as Dier, and was never anything more than a semi-competent backup for Danny Rose. Yet in 2023, he’s been promoted not just to the starting lineup, but in an entirely new position — as a left center back — for Antonio Conte."

Ben Davies has played that position, literally for years, before Conte every got hold of him for Wales.

And that's without mentioning the fact they've built the entire article around a quote they've altered to completely change the meaning, as others have already pointed out.

This article is ranges from deliberately omitting relevant facts to edited quotes to outright lies. Probably the worst bit of Spurs analysis I can remember reading.

Thank you. World of Hotspur is an idiot and much of his rhetoric is based on fiction. Can't believe his blog is getting traction on here.

DiVaio · Jan 18, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
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I may have been wrong about it being the CL, but it was Europa so same thing. Also making it to a cup final in Italy, which completely destroys your one game a week argument.

They got knocked out from CL in the last gameweek when they lost against 2nd Barcelona team, won knockout against Ludogorets and then pandemic happened. The rest was played in a completely different time. They didn't make a cup final this season and they only played 3 cup games before Covid break. Until this they won 4, drew 3 and lost 2 games which they were played after mid-week game.
Criticism for Conte as he's struggling with 2 games a week is completely fair and this has been a case for a long time, excluding this season which is for some reason complete opposite.

AtoubaToothpaste · Jan 18, 2023

Archibald-CPH said:
Set us up like Ajax or Arsenal under Wenger. Play the same system at the academy as the PL team. And keep the managers for several years.

After Conte..... who will come.... big names coaches have not been apple to find a solotion. I think many will say no thanks.

Why? It's the best money-earner in football right now (along with Chelsea). They come in knowing Levy isn't going to back them and will sack them in 18 months, giving them a nice fat payoff for the rest of their contract. And because of our shit reputation, theirs stays squeaky clean, and they move on to bigger and better things with tens of millions in the bank. And if they are the lucky ones to win something, they'll enhance their rep to help with their next job.

Spursfan1414 · Jan 18, 2023

H-SF said:
Thank you. World of Hotspur is an idiot and much of his rhetoric is based on fiction. Can't believe his blog is getting traction on here.

Shows people are so desperate to hate Levy that they'll believe things they know aren't true.

I mean, it's not hard to write thousands of words worth of valid criticism of Levy, people do it on here every day. You have to be properly shit to resort to such bare face lies when you've already got plenty of material to work with.

Trix · Jan 18, 2023

Spursfan1414 said:
Shows people are so desperate to hate Levy that they'll believe things they know aren't true.

I mean, it's not hard to write thousands of words worth of valid criticism of Levy, people do it on here every day. You have to be properly shit to resort to such bare face lies when you've already got plenty of material to work with.

I agree I've been laying into him quite heavily of late and yet I can see that is just propaganda rubbish. I want him gone from the football side of things like yesterday, but I'll always acknowledge the fact that any success we have with someone else in charge, will partly have him to thank for putting so many pieces in place in the first place.

fishhhandaricecake · Jan 18, 2023

Spursfan1414 said:
This is a complete hit piece and absolutely full of lies. It's not remotely objective analysis, I mean how can you write

"Why Bruno Fernandes had his bags packed to come to Spurs, and Levy reneged on the deal. "

Without acknowledging that we dropped our interest because we signed a different option, who was highly regarded at the time, for a big fee.

"Few players exemplify the ENIC con than Eric Dier. The Englishman was signed in 2014 as a backup RB. He failed there, but was tried by Pochettino as a defensive midfielder. He failed there, as well, and was used only sparingly as a 4th choice CB. Pochettino never fully trusted him, and with good reason."

Dier played 37/38, 36/38, 34/38 of our matches from 15/16 to 17/18. How is that being used sparingly? How is that failing as a defensive midfielder?

"Ben Davies was signed the same year as Dier, and was never anything more than a semi-competent backup for Danny Rose. Yet in 2023, he’s been promoted not just to the starting lineup, but in an entirely new position — as a left center back — for Antonio Conte."

Ben Davies has played that position, literally for years, before Conte every got hold of him for Wales.

And that's without mentioning the fact they've built the entire article around a quote they've altered to completely change the meaning, as others have already pointed out.

This article is ranges from deliberately omitting relevant facts to edited quotes to outright lies. Probably the worst bit of Spurs analysis I can remember reading.

So it’s partly propaganda then just like Levy PR has been for 22 years to blind the fans to the reality of what is actually going on behind the scenes and what Levy and ENIC’s real goals and aims are.

Taste of their own medicine, good.

DiVaio · Jan 18, 2023

Spursfan1414 said:
This is a complete hit piece and absolutely full of lies. It's not remotely objective analysis, I mean how can you write

"Why Bruno Fernandes had his bags packed to come to Spurs, and Levy reneged on the deal. "

Without acknowledging that we dropped our interest because we signed a different option, who was highly regarded at the time, for a big fee.

"Few players exemplify the ENIC con than Eric Dier. The Englishman was signed in 2014 as a backup RB. He failed there, but was tried by Pochettino as a defensive midfielder. He failed there, as well, and was used only sparingly as a 4th choice CB. Pochettino never fully trusted him, and with good reason."

Dier played 37/38, 36/38, 34/38 of our matches from 15/16 to 17/18. How is that being used sparingly? How is that failing as a defensive midfielder?

"Ben Davies was signed the same year as Dier, and was never anything more than a semi-competent backup for Danny Rose. Yet in 2023, he’s been promoted not just to the starting lineup, but in an entirely new position — as a left center back — for Antonio Conte."

Ben Davies has played that position, literally for years, before Conte every got hold of him for Wales.

And that's without mentioning the fact they've built the entire article around a quote they've altered to completely change the meaning, as others have already pointed out.

This article is ranges from deliberately omitting relevant facts to edited quotes to outright lies. Probably the worst bit of Spurs analysis I can remember reading.

World of Hotspur is easily the worst Spurs account on Twitter, but must admit sometimes he's very funny.

Going back to 2011 as he used Iago Falque as an example of failure in signing young players(made a profit on him btw) and then missing a lot of successive transfers made under this policy since 2011. :ROFLMAO:

From mentioned article I will also say that "How three years after Christian Eriksen, their sole creative midfielder, left the club, do Tottenham still have a single attacking midfielder in the squad?" fails to mention that we had 3 permanent managers since then and all 3 of them weren't using attacking midfielders in their tactics.

"or why a derisory offer of £12m was submitted for Leandro Trossard, when both players could, and should have been in the squad to face what is likely to be a defining run of fixtures in the coming days and weeks."

Only 4 days earlier the same guy was moaning about Spurs interested in Trossard and before then I had no idea textbook Levy signing was 28 years old or out of favour at current club(genuinely can't remember the last Spurs transfer that fits this)

Cochise · Jan 18, 2023

The article is over the top and goes on a bit, but the sentiment is accurate. To our owners we are an investment, something to make a maximum profit out of. Making us competitive costs too much.

To Dare is too dear.

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