Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Trix · Jan 20, 2023

I find it ridiculous that fans are buying into this media bollocks of "you can't back him if he won't commit." The club hold an option on his contract for another 12 months, and you don't go to work day in day out fighting your boss tooth and nail to improve your working environment if you want out. You just don't!

13VanDerBale13 · Jan 20, 2023

Ginola+Tonic said:
Apparently this is happening in February

All they’ll do is hype up the summer & how January is difficult. Same shit every season.

Stamford · Jan 20, 2023

the same people who think the blame lies with conte will be the first people in the manager watch

ochettino complaining about the diamond of why he persists with sess.

Wee consistently downgrade in key positions and expect to improve. None of those defenders gets into the side that got to a CL final. Not even Romero.

felmani26 · Jan 20, 2023

Trix said:
I find it ridiculous that fans are buying into this media bollocks of "you can't back him if he won't commit." The club hold an option on his contract for another 12 months, and you don't go to work day in day out fighting your boss tooth and nail to improve your working environment if you want out. You just don't!

The onus is wholly on the board - not quite sure how fans can't grasp that!

Stamford · Jan 20, 2023

Trix said:
I find it ridiculous that fans are buying into this media bollocks of "you can't back him if he won't commit." The club hold an option on his contract for another 12 months, and you don't go to work day in day out fighting your boss tooth and nail to improve your working environment if you want out. You just don't!

mate you're wasting your time explaining this. If people don't get it now they never will.

Spurzinho · Jan 20, 2023

I don't really know what to say at this point. Everyone is pointing in completely different directions and is unwilling or unable to give in. I don't even think its about compromise because half of what Conte needs won't be enough. You either back him or sack him. There isn't really a third option. Conte, seemingly, won't quit until he's out of contract and absolutely won't change his tactical principles. Levy, seemingly, won't back Conte with what he needs to do that thing he does of spending big and winning trophies but at the same time he won't sack him either. The players, seemingly, can't do any better than they're doing whilst be asked to play a style of football that they are totally unsuited to. Where do you go from here?

Its not like this window is going to be ambiguous. If Conte isn't backed we'll all know it. You either give him a top right wing back, a top centre back, and potentially a top goalkeeper and an extra forward or you've just left Conte and the players pissing in the wind.

Its unnerving how Paritici seems to have faded into the background and Levy seems to be taking prominence again. When Paritici was in control we didn't seem to struggle to get deals done. One of the main reasons Levy employed a DOF is because other clubs were sick of dealing with him. He's burned too many bridges.

I'd still prefer to see Conte replaced before we spend big on a rebuild but the fact that a rebuild is needed should be denied by no one. I wished Conte played to the current players strengths more and didn't make them look even worse than they are but surely no one thinks that the likes of Dier, Davies and Lloris have got anything left in the tank?

Harrier · Jan 20, 2023

mil1lion said:
I would want Conte for the rebuild. The level of player he would want will work in another system. I mean if we had a Skriniar, Bastoni and Hakimi any manager is going to thrive with them in future. In fact the approach so far has been good, we just need more. Take Poch for an example, he would love Romero, Bentancur and Kulusevski in his team. Get a couple high level centre backs and he has great options in a back 4. Top players can adapt which is what Conte is alluding too regarding a back 4. Our players can't adapt, get Conte players and they adapt to a different system.

This is the issue, we do need to rebuild because our players cant adapt.

I agree to a certain extent, but the number of new players required to play Conte’s system effectively is more than would be required for a back four IMHO.

Also it doesn’t deal with the elephant in the room as far as the brand of football we might want to be watching over the next three or four seasons.

Trix · Jan 20, 2023

felmani26 said:
The onus is wholly on the board - not quite sure how fans can't grasp that!

It's absolutely bizarre mate.

FinnYid · Jan 20, 2023

Trix said:
Fuck me, how hard is it to understand. If we hired a manager on minimum wage we'd still not get the players required because that's not how we operate under Daniel, he literally gets the least he can possibly get away with.

The point was to highlight that if coach is devoid of blame, then we can hire a guy next door to do the job. We are breaking records on goals conceded, look utter tripe on pitch, but some say it has fuck all to do with Conte.

Mark_147 · Jan 20, 2023

kris havard said:
We can’t defend with a four but we can’t with a five either…..

best way to win is either to outscore the opponent or try and keep the ball.

conte sets us up to do neither. I am sorry but he is a massive part of the problem at the moment

We haven't been a team that dominates possession of the ball since 2018 under 4 different managers so how do you suggest we magically start doing it.

Harrier · Jan 20, 2023

nedley said:
So apparently he stated in the presser that he will decide about resigning or not in the summer.

That doesn't help him IMO.

That makes me want to twist rather than stick....

Well with that uncertainty hanging over the club, we’d better strap ourselves in for a desperate few months (if the trigger isn’t already being cocked)!

IfiHadTheWings · Jan 20, 2023

Absolute state of this club honestly.

Owners are shite, players are shite, manager is shite, fans at the stadium are shite and to top it off the nomads from Woolwich aren't shite.

either way on we trot.

COYS

FinnYid · Jan 20, 2023

Mark_147 said:
We haven't been a team that dominates possession of the ball since 2018 under 4 different managers so how do you suggest we magically start doing it.

Having a manager that wants to would be a start. 3 of those don't want it on any given material.

YB123 · Jan 20, 2023

theShiznit said:
I guess what i am saying is that Dier would be nearer (if not at) the top of my to sell list than others as a defensive organizer (that can also defend) is a priority.

Keep Players that suit HG rule a bit longer. So likes of Sanchez have to go first.

Trix · Jan 20, 2023

FinnYid said:
The point was to highlight that if coach is devoid of blame, then we can hire a guy next door to do the job. We are breaking records on goals conceded, look utter tripe on pitch, but some say it has fuck all to do with Conte.

He's not devoid of blame, BIGGER PICTURE!!!

If the club came out today and said " we got it wrong with Conte, we want a project manager who plays to X philosophy and we are going to get the players in order to do that and compete I wouldn't be against them doing it.

They aren't though because their is no succession plan, there is no long term strategy and there isn't anyone leading the club competent enough to do so.

You want Conte gone, but unless you want this same shit again in a years time replacing the manager is pointless.

BIGGER PICTURE!!!

Stamford · Jan 20, 2023

FinnYid said:
The point was to highlight that if coach is devoid of blame, then we can hire a guy next door to do the job. We are breaking records on goals conceded, look utter tripe on pitch, but some say it has fuck all to do with Conte.

i don't think anyone said conte isn't to blame. He continues to pick son and Hugo and for that alone he has to take blame. But results won't improve long term with any manager. We need better players especially in defence

13VanDerBale13 · Jan 20, 2023

felmani26 said:
The onus is wholly on the board - not quite sure how fans can't grasp that!

The same fans who are unable to grasp it, will be the same fans complaining in a year with the new manager, whilst we’re still under this ownership.

Never ending vicious cycle, which all ends the same way (managers being the fall guys)

YB123 · Jan 20, 2023

FinnYid said:
The point was to highlight that if coach is devoid of blame, then we can hire a guy next door to do the job. We are breaking records on goals conceded, look utter tripe on pitch, but some say it has fuck all to do with Conte.

I admire your consistency! been going for 12 hours now!

Lo Amo Speroni · Jan 20, 2023

I blame everyone

YB123 · Jan 20, 2023

Ginola+Tonic said:
Apparently this is happening in February

Conveniently moved once the window is shut because they know the numbers are going to be superb and it wont be matched by the window.

"We are still fighting for top 4, and fighting on all fronts in the cups. We will aim to continue to improve and assess in the summer"

Its boring.

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