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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

FinnYid

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Right so if Conte is sacked what do you think you are going to get? Do you think you are going to get the type of manager you want, and if you do do you think he'll be backed to achieve that?

Club will probably hire a manager yet again for all the wrong reasons, but at least there will be short honeymoon. Every now and then Levy hasn't time to hunt these "serial winners" and thus we end up on happier times by accident. Examples in the past are evident.
 

dbspurs

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Club will probably hire a manager yet again for all the wrong reasons, but at least there will be short honeymoon. Every now and then Levy hasn't time to hunt these "serial winners" and thus we end up on happier times by accident. Examples in the past are evident.
And you're happy with that strategy??
 

ILS

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When will people admit Paratici is part of the problem? Yes, he brought Kulusevski and Rodrigo in but let's be honest it wasn't exactly a master plan that he spent all of last January working on. Had we got Diaz neither signing would have likely have been made and as a sign of desperation went back to his old club knowing the situation and exploited it.

All this crap that gets chucked out about him having loads of plates spinning at one time, like it something positive. How about identify your target and proceed in purchasing that said person rather than dicking around.

He really gets too much hype from our fans and is really nothing other than an Italian Daniel Levy.

How many players has he signed? And how many of them have been a true success?

Edit: Forgot to add, his job is to remove unwanted players out of the club on a full time basis. How is that going?
 

G Ron

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He's not devoid of blame, BIGGER PICTURE!!!

If the club came out today and said " we got it wrong with Conte, we want a project manager who plays to X philosophy and we are going to get the players in order to do that and compete I wouldn't be against them doing it.

They aren't though because their is no succession plan, there is no long term strategy and there isn't anyone leading the club competent enough to do so.

You want Conte gone, but unless you want this same shit again in a years time replacing the manager is pointless.


BIGGER PICTURE!!!
Don’t waste your time Trix - it’ll never sink in for some.
 

Stamford

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There will never be a plan with Conte. If we are to have one, he needs to go. We can't build a lasting philosophy in game that belongs to history and is opposite of clubs tradition. There is nothing to build in there, we can back him all we want, all we can, and we still won't be moving anywhere.
And post conte? The next manager? I'm not asking you about conte
 

Trix

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Club will probably hire a manager yet again for all the wrong reasons, but at least there will be short honeymoon. Every now and then Levy hasn't time to hunt these "serial winners" and thus we end up on happier times by accident. Examples in the past are evident.
Ha ha, sorry matey but I just can't listen to this any more. Utter utter madness!
 

FinnYid

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And you're happy with that strategy??
No I'm definately not. But Conte and current turmoil is direct symptom of that strategy. If we are to change strategy, it's also goodbye Conte. There is no change the strategy, stick with Conte option.
 

HildoSpur

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Club will probably hire a manager yet again for all the wrong reasons, but at least there will be short honeymoon. Every now and then Levy hasn't time to hunt these "serial winners" and thus we end up on happier times by accident. Examples in the past are evident.
So let me get this right, you would be happy if Levy sacked Conte because of a 'short honeymoon' we would have with the next manager and because 'every now and then' Levy accidentally appoints a manager that works? Are you being real right now?
 

Trix

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When will people admit Paratici is part of the problem? Yes, he brought Kulusevski and Rodrigo in but let's be honest it wasn't exactly a master plan that he spent all of last January working on. Had we got Diaz neither signing would have likely have been made and as a sign of desperation went back to his old club knowing the situation and exploited it.

All this crap that gets chucked out about him having loads of plates spinning at one time, like it something positive. How about identify your target and proceed in purchasing that said person rather than dicking around.

He really gets too much hype from our fans and is really nothing other than an Italian Daniel Levy.

How many players has he signed? And how many of them have been a true success?

Edit: Forgot to add, his job is to remove unwanted players out of the club on a full time basis. How is that going?
HE DOESN'T SIGN THE CHEQUES OR HAVE THE FINAL CALL.

Honestly are some of you lot on Levy's payroll or something?
 

G Ron

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Club will probably hire a manager yet again for all the wrong reasons, but at least there will be short honeymoon. Every now and then Levy hasn't time to hunt these "serial winners" and thus we end up on happier times by accident. Examples in the past are evident.
Fuck me - are you serious?
We all know how this pans out if Levy gets his own way. Poch comes back and the puppet master Levy plays Football Manager for real again with his clueless recruitment committee and we end up back at square one in 18 months time.

we have to stop this cycle.
 
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dbspurs

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Ha ha, sorry matey but I just can't listen to this any more. Utter utter madness!
It really is hilarious isn't it!? The strategy is to wander round in a fugue like state hiring multiple coaches until we hit the jackpot with the next Poch. Not forgetting said coach would need to also get lucky with Levy's transfer policy of hoping cheap young buys turn into superstars.

I need to know what drugs are available to allow me to be think that strategy is a good model for our squad.
 

GutBucket

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When will people admit Paratici is part of the problem? Yes, he brought Kulusevski and Rodrigo in but let's be honest it wasn't exactly a master plan that he spent all of last January working on. Had we got Diaz neither signing would have likely have been made and as a sign of desperation went back to his old club knowing the situation and exploited it.

All this crap that gets chucked out about him having loads of plates spinning at one time, like it something positive. How about identify your target and proceed in purchasing that said person rather than dicking around.

He really gets too much hype from our fans and is really nothing other than an Italian Daniel Levy.

How many players has he signed? And how many of them have been a true success?
True success: Bentancur, Kulusevski, Romero.
Success: Sarr, could be a rotation option or one of the best midfielders in few years time, worth the money in any case.
Jury still out because they were great in this league before: Bissouma, Richarlison.
Maybe: Gil, was more about getting rid of Lamela's big wages and taking a long shot on a returning player. Remains to be seen about Udogie.

But it's not like he can just offer 100m and huge wages for Vlahovic or Bastoni without asking Levy anything. He is also working on a budget, and he had to find a way to get rid of huge wages from Ndombele, Lo Celso, Lamela etc. I wasn't a fan of him before we got him, but he changed my mind.
 

rossdapep

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Amazes me how everyone blames Conte or Levy(his about 70% to blame imo) but yet again the players get away with little to no blame.
Same players Dier, Davies, Sanchez etc yet 4 different managers get the blame.
Those players are still here cause of Levy.

So, yes, he takes the blame.

We have been sitting here for 3 years saying Dier and Davies are not good enough and Sanchez has too many weaknesses.

A club with ambition would have realised poch was right and shifted them on and signed a top CB to see if Sanchez could improve.

What is the point in spending 40m on a top prospect CB, if you just going to pair him with a finished Vertonghen or dodgy Dier?
 

FinnYid

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So let me get this right, you would be happy if Levy sacked Conte because of a 'short honeymoon' we would have with the next manager and because 'every now and then' Levy accidentally appoints a manager that works? Are you being real right now?

Just saying how it is. Unless Levy gets an actual strategy instead of desperate trophy hunting via "elite managers" we are in the loop. And wether we keep Conte for bit longer or back him with all we can won't change it.
 

Timberwolf

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When will people admit Paratici is part of the problem? Yes, he brought Kulusevski and Rodrigo in but let's be honest it wasn't exactly a master plan that he spent all of last January working on. Had we got Diaz neither signing would have likely have been made and as a sign of desperation went back to his old club knowing the situation and exploited it.

All this crap that gets chucked out about him having loads of plates spinning at one time, like it something positive. How about identify your target and proceed in purchasing that said person rather than dicking around.

He really gets too much hype from our fans and is really nothing other than an Italian Daniel Levy.

How many players has he signed? And how many of them have been a true success?

Edit: Forgot to add, his job is to remove unwanted players out of the club on a full time basis. How is that going?
I mean that's pretty damn harsh.

Paratici definitely isn't perfect and has made a few questionable decisions: were Royal and Gil the best investments at the time? WTF was the Nuno appointment? Gattuso?!

But beyond that he's probably, pound for pound, been the best DoF we've had. Kulu, Romero and Bentacur were all massive upgrades and good value. Sarr and Udogie both look very promising indeed, and he managed to attract Conte, a manager who at the time was well out of our league, and got us 4th place when we were looking absolutely fucked.

And do you think it's easy to get rid of players like Winks, Ndombele, Lo Celso and Dele Alli when no club in the world will offer them close to the wages we've had them on?? He's done well to even get them loans as quickly and decisively as he did TBH. Most of them would still be here if Levy was fully in charge.

I'd say he's actually overperformed given the short time he's been at the club and if it wasn't for him we'd be far, far worse off.
 

Russ1201

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Those players are still here cause of Levy.

So, yes, he takes the blame.

We have been sitting here for 3 years saying Dier and Davies are not good enough and Sanchez has too many weaknesses.

A club with ambition would have realised poch was right and shifted them on and signed a top CB to see if Sanchez could improve.

What is the point in spending 40m on a top prospect CB, if you just going to pair him with a finished Vertonghen or dodgy Dier?
Wonder if Levy does dip in to his pockets or are these bids just the usual Levy we tried nonsense.
Everyone but Levy can see we need new playa especially defenders but don't we sign anyone else bar Zaniolo.
 
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