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Tottenham Takeover Talk

Would you welcome a 25% ownership stake for Qatar Sports Investments (QSI)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 655 65.2%
  • No

    Votes: 350 34.8%

  • Total voters
    1,005
  • Poll closed .

Stuart Leathercock

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Jul 20, 2021
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Not should we. We have a 30 year fixed rate mortgage at a 2.8% interest rate.
Too much debt is bad: but Spurs did a great job by locking in super low interest rates for the very long term.
It's via bonds with average maturities of 20 years but you're close enough for this place....
Not surprising we want a similar price to what Boehly & co paid for Chelsea seeing our revenues and all the assets the club holds. We'll see what happens
Boehly and co paid £2.5b for Chelsea.
 
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tobi

Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose
Jun 10, 2003
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It's fascinating to see how state ownership of football clubs have warped fans' view of what ownership should be about.

Firstly, every single owner bar the sports washers are in it for a profit. That goes for 90% of PL clubs. Levy is in it for profit. That's not a mark against any potential owner.

I was reading through our financials last night because I'm a sad, boring accountant but we had revenue of 443m in a year that we were in the Conference League.

Assuming that we'd be in the Europa League at a minimum most times and our commercial income should keep growing (especially if we sort out the naming rights) our revenue should regularly crack 500m.

Our operating income is 114m. We have 226m cash in the bank. We've spent 500m in the last four years.

We don't need an owner to come in and pump money in the club. Levy has done an outstanding job of building us up into being a profitable business. We need an owner to come in and give us direction and to do what FSG/Kroenkes have done and have a data analytics-heavy football operation with the Sporting Director/Manager in full control.

We need an owner who is not as risk averse as Levy who will raise our wages to turnover ratio from 47% to something more competitive without being financially destructive (something like 65%) while also pushing the boat out when we're in a position of strength.

I don't know much about this guy but I do follow the NBA as a sorry Knicks fan and the Suns are a decently ran operation. They've built a competitive small market team while making a blockbuster trade for one of the league's best players. The ambition is there at least but of course that doesn't transfer to football.

What we need to hope is that this guy has a heavy focus on data analytics who will support Paratici (or a DoF of his choosing) to revamp our recruitment department and allowing the football people time to implement a philosophy that suits us as a club.

We need that more than we'll ever need a sugar daddy.

The Suns aren't a small market team, Phoenix has always been an attractive market/place to be, the problem was that stupid Idiot Sarver, he was holding everything back. That mofo will not be missed.

I agree with everything else.
 

Chimbo!

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Jan 7, 2007
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This latest takeover offer is potentially bad news.

Private equity investments are often short-term and follow a set pattern; pump and squeeze. They pump money in at first - like Chelsea are doing right now - to boost revenues. Then they squeeze the company hard, cutting costs left, right and centre to improve profit margins and make the company attractive to new buyers, who are often private equity firms. Then they sell and the whole process starts again. Many businesses have been hollowed out by this model because the goal is ONLY to make money for investors, often over a period of 5 years. There’s no long-term thinking, no emotional attachment, and no care for community.

We should think long and hard before supporting something like this. This potential deal could be the end of Spurs as we know it.

I, for one, appreciate everything Levy and ENIC have done in the last 20 years. I don’t agree with everything they did, but they cared about the club and ran it appropriately. They proved to be decent people.
 

snakehipsspurs

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Aug 30, 2017
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Spurs chairman Daniel Levy values over £3.5bn amid takeover talk​

Reports claim Iranian-American billionaire Jahm Najafi is lining up bid for the club

Tottenham Hotspur insist they have not received an approach from Iranian-American billionaire Jahm Najafi, who is reported to be lining up a £3.1 billion bid for the club.

The Financial Times have reported that Najafi, who is the chair of MSP Sports Capital and has held talks over investing in Everton, will bid for Spurs with a consortium of backers.

Telegraph Sport understands that a bid in the region of £3.1 billion would likely fall short of chairman Daniel Levy’s valuation of the club, with sources claiming he rejected a £2.9 billion offer from a different American businessman last year.

It is believed that Levy values Spurs at upwards of £3.5 billion and, while not commenting publicly, insiders are adamant that Najafi and his partners have so far not approached the club about the prospect of a sale.

It is claimed, however, that Najafi and members of his consortium are already known to Levy, with sources convinced that Levy would want to retain his position, at least in the short-term, as part of any takeover.

Telegraph Sport has been told that talks between Everton and MSP have slowed down over the past fortnight, but it is unclear whether or not that is related to reported interest in Tottenham.

Intriguingly, Najafi’s partner at MSP, Jeff Moorad, held talks with Levy in 2015 about investing in Tottenham. Moorad made his name during the 1980s and is said to have been partially responsible for inspiring the character Jerry Maguire, famously played by Tom Cruise in the Hollywood movie.

According to the Financial Times, The Najafi and MSP-led offer would value the club’s equity at approximately £2.5 billion before adding about £620 million of debt on the club’s books.

It is reported that the bid would be structured so that MSP and its partners would put forward 70 per cent of the purchase price, while backers from the Gulf, mainly from Abu Dhabi, would contribute the remaining 30 per cent.

Tottenham is owned by ENIC, who bought their first 26 per cent share into the club in 2000 for £21.9 million, and run by Levy.
Sick of this prick wanting to hang onto control. Stay on as a minority investor, sure thing. Sit in the box and watch the games. But stop thinking you are Tottenham and the club couldn’t run without you. Fuck off!
 

JonnySpurs

SC Veteran
Jun 4, 2004
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The Suns aren't a small market team, Phoenix has always been an attractive market/place to be, the problem was that stupid Idiot Sarver, he was holding everything back. That mofo will not be missed.

I agree with everything else.

Here was me thinking I was the only Suns and Tottenham fan that existed. Nobody else can be as happy to be a tortured fan as me, surely?
 

homer hotspur

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Dec 7, 2014
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I always wonder what these Middle Eastern investors would think about the whole 'Y word etc ' obsession/history of the fanbase. It surely wouldn't sit easy with them?
 

Ribble

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Apr 13, 2011
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About the most horrifying words you could hear: "with sources convinced that Levy would want to retain his position, at least in the short-term, as part of any takeover"

Didn't one of the ITKs say Levy was working on a deal to buy Lewis out? I wonder if this is connected and he'd be part of the consortium directly.
 

Stuart Leathercock

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Jul 20, 2021
522
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I agree it's high but TBF people need to stop looking at this form a footballing perspective. Chelsea own fuck all except a stadium which needs upgrading and quite a shabby training base in Cobham. We've got state of the art stadium and training facilities, plus a bunch of hotels/apartments etc. Our portfolio of assets is incomparable, and that's what the investors will be focusing on - not how many trophies we've won (or failed to win).

9th highest revenues in the world without a stadium sponsor (which a new owner could pick and choose). I'm not surprised that the club are valuing us at 4bn or so.
Quite a shabby training base in Cobham? That isn't true at all. Their training ground is very good.

Chelsea also have higher revenues overall than we do. We clearly have the edge on Chelsea for match day revenue. Chelsea clearly have the edge on us for Commercial revenue.

The valuations of THFC and Chelsea should be broadly similar.
 

wrd

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Aug 22, 2014
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It's fascinating to see how state ownership of football clubs have warped fans' view of what ownership should be about.

Firstly, every single owner bar the sports washers are in it for a profit. That goes for 90% of PL clubs. Levy is in it for profit. That's not a mark against any potential owner.

I was reading through our financials last night because I'm a sad, boring accountant but we had revenue of 443m in a year that we were in the Conference League.

Assuming that we'd be in the Europa League at a minimum most times and our commercial income should keep growing (especially if we sort out the naming rights) our revenue should regularly crack 500m.

Our operating income is 114m. We have 226m cash in the bank. We've spent 500m in the last four years.

We don't need an owner to come in and pump money in the club. Levy has done an outstanding job of building us up into being a profitable business. We need an owner to come in and give us direction and to do what FSG/Kroenkes have done and have a data analytics-heavy football operation with the Sporting Director/Manager in full control.

We need an owner who is not as risk averse as Levy who will raise our wages to turnover ratio from 47% to something more competitive without being financially destructive (something like 65%) while also pushing the boat out when we're in a position of strength.

I don't know much about this guy but I do follow the NBA as a sorry Knicks fan and the Suns are a decently ran operation. They've built a competitive small market team while making a blockbuster trade for one of the league's best players. The ambition is there at least but of course that doesn't transfer to football.

What we need to hope is that this guy has a heavy focus on data analytics who will support Paratici (or a DoF of his choosing) to revamp our recruitment department and allowing the football people time to implement a philosophy that suits us as a club.

We need that more than we'll ever need a sugar daddy.

Really great post, think we argue over the long wrong issues on here consistently and you just crystallised exactly what we should be concerned with when it comes to ownership.
 

chas vs dave

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Jul 17, 2008
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Moorad made his name during the 1980s and is said to have been partially responsible for inspiring the character Jerry Maguire, famously played by Tom Cruise in the Hollywood movie.
Now I picture this as his negotiation tactic

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tobi

Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose
Jun 10, 2003
17,608
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Here was me thinking I was the only Suns and Tottenham fan that existed. Nobody else can be as happy to be a tortured fan as me, surely?
I've been a Suns fan since the Seven Seconds or Less era (Joe Johnson's last season or two), Steve Nash was my favourite player.

Book is now No.1 in my heart.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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Jan 5, 2013
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About the most horrifying words you could hear: "with sources convinced that Levy would want to retain his position, at least in the short-term, as part of any takeover"
Going to play devil’s advocate slightly and ask: would Levy be that bad if he was propped up by a considerable amount of money behind him? That’s purely hypothetical so please don’t come at me with the pitchforks and torches…

If he stays away from the football side of things and handles our commercial business, keeps us in check with FFP being mindful of the significant changes coming from 2025, I don’t think it would be a disaster…but what do I know?
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Mar 4, 2021
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ENIC would have, what a 14,000% ROI and still want more?!?

Take the profit and fuck off
Yeah - this could get really ugly, if it looks like ENIC/Levy/Lewis are just getting greedy.

I don't begrudge anyone an opportunity to make a few quid, but in this environment, its going to be a tough sell to most supporters, I think.
 

sidford

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Oct 20, 2003
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So their talks with Everton were leaked and now potential bid for spurs is also leaked.
People who are serious about purchasing something for several billion tend not to leak things to the press which could potentially piss off the sellers and also alert other potential bidders.
 

fecka

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Jun 24, 2013
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It's via bonds with average maturities of years but you're close enough for this place....

Boehly and co paid £2.5b for Chelsea.

Yes, but there are a number of factors as to why and just looking at the 2.5bn alone is likely insufficient.
THFC allegedly has assets amounting to almost 2bn in the form of real estate and infrastructure while Chelsea barely have any at all, with both clubs having similar revenues.
To get the sale through Boehly also had to commit to another 1.75bn in investment into the club over the next few years bringing that number up to 4.25bn.

My completely uneducated guess would be that a 3.4-3.5bn evaluation of the club and covering the 610m net debt on top of that would be enough to get ENIC to sell. It remains to see if the buyers still want to play.
 

Darth Vega

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Jul 28, 2013
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Going to play devil’s advocate slightly and ask: would Levy be that bad if he was propped up by a considerable amount of money behind him? That’s purely hypothetical so please don’t come at me with the pitchforks and torches…

If he stays away from the football side of things and handles our commercial business, keeps us in check with FFP being mindful of the significant changes coming from 2025, I don’t think it would be a disaster…but what do I know?
I agree, I think the concern is what his role would entail. If you told me now he'd step aside from the footballing side of things and just run the commercial stuff then I wouldn't want new owners because we make enough money already. If, however, he retained control of footballing operations and was ultimately in charge of appointing managers, DoFs and negotiating transfers then all the money in the world wouldn't make a difference.
 

felmani26

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Jan 1, 2008
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Going to play devil’s advocate slightly and ask: would Levy be that bad if he was propped up by a considerable amount of money behind him? That’s purely hypothetical so please don’t come at me with the pitchforks and torches…

If he stays away from the football side of things and handles our commercial business, keeps us in check with FFP being mindful of the significant changes coming from 2025, I don’t think it would be a disaster…but what do I know?
But he refuses to stay away from meddling in the football side of things - be it on failed pursuit of players or poorly thought out managerial appointments.

I think it's imperative if a takeover was to happen that we have a clean slate at board level and that Levy, Cullen, Collecott et al are removed.
 
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