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Collectively punt him down the high road
In many ways despite our on the pitch troubles we are extremely appealing for investors - world class stadium, no naming rights sold yet, in London, Heavyweight World Championship fights and venue of gigs of the world's biggest artists, NFL games and possibility of an NFL team moving here. Not to mention scope to add massively more value by the team by actually winning things in the future.....Yeah I’d like to think so. £4b, considering our assets is probably fair. Anything above this is greedy.
Oh, I understand that perfectly fine.If a person buys an asset for £2.5b and then injects a further £1.75b in equity, that doesn't mean that person has paid £4.25b to buy the asset, that really does need to be understood by some on here.
What it means is that the asset has been purchased for £2.5b and an equity injection of £1.75b has been/will be made. If you buy a business asset for £X and then inject £Y as equity then you're instantly increasing the value of the business by £Y
Let's say you have a business with 5 rental properties owned with some debt secured on those rental properties, or the expected income from the tenancies. I then buy that business off of you for £2m and take on the debt. I have a business worth £2 million. If I then inject £1m of capital into that business (say to pay off the debt or to buy more rental properties) then I haven't paid £3m for your business have I?.... I have still paid £2m for your business but made the business worth £3m by injecting a further £1m
But Chelsea's equity was not valued at more than £2.5b. It was valued at exactly £2.5b. Maybe the number of bidders indicated that this price was too low but the value of equity and commitments to invest are completely separate things. I would love ENIC to sell the club to new owners including a commitment to invest a large amount in the sale terms. However I suspect that they're really only interested in the bottom line for themselves.Oh, I understand that perfectly fine.
What I'm trying to say is that the Chelsea sale has some quirks that make it difficult to use the 2.5bn equity value alone as a metric as a massive debt was written off by Abramovich and instead replaced by a commitment to invest 1.75bn as a condition to buy, and that it's not unreasonable for THFC to value its equity at a lot more than 2.5bn.
DOABFFGoing to play devil’s advocate slightly and ask: would Levy be that bad if he was propped up by a considerable amount of money behind him? That’s purely hypothetical so please don’t come at me with the pitchforks and torches…
If he stays away from the football side of things and handles our commercial business, keeps us in check with FFP being mindful of the significant changes coming from 2025, I don’t think it would be a disaster…but what do I know?
And one of the reasons for that was their lack of assets, and that the sale was forced. It's not unreasonable for THFC to value its equity a lot higher than that.But Chelsea's equity was not valued at more than £2.5b. It was valued at exactly £2.5b.
And one of the reasons for that was their lack of assets, and that the sale was forced. It's not unreasonable for THFC to value its equity a lot higher than that.
I agree in terms of the forced sale but less so the assets. We have spent a fortune on a new stadium so have capitalised the spend on that asset. That doesn't mean it can just be sold off... and if it was sold off it wouldn't be at anywhere near the actual asset value (it isn't worth anywhere near as much as anything other than a sports stadium).And one of the reasons for that was their lack of assets, and that the sale was forced. It's not unreasonable for THFC to value its equity a lot higher than that.
It is. But Levy does come across as a 'control-freak' because this project has been HIS vision and he continuously talks about being a guardian.It's pretty standard for the most senior directors to stay on for a period post a business being sold. Most purchasers write it into the terms of the sale to ensure a smooth transition.
ENIC or THFC? Most of the property around the stadium was sold at 'fair value' by THFC to another company owned by ENIC. The club still retain a development opportunity on the south podium but at present it is isn't deemed financially viable to develop that. The property aspects of what THFC owns really isn't worth a great deal in the scheme of the £3b valuation.And, its not just the stadium... its also all of the surrounding property that ENIC own and can develop, and the hotel rights, etc...
I'd argue that the hotels and other properties around the stadium owned by the club aren't there to facilitate a football team.I agree in terms of the forced sale but less so the assets. We have spent a fortune on a new stadium so have capitalised the spend on that asset. That doesn't mean it can just be sold off... and if it was sold off it wouldn't be at anywhere near the actual asset value (it isn't worth anywhere near as much as anything other than a sports stadium).
The assets both clubs own are to there simply to facilitate a football team. The revenues from both clubs are reasonably similar (though Chelsea's higher in 9 of the last 10 years).
If they are owners, they can sack him.It is. But Levy does come across as a 'control-freak' because this project has been HIS vision and he continuously talks about being a guardian.
What happens if the investors/owners start to do things he doesn't agree with?
“As I understand it, Spurs have no intention of selling at this time…”Patiently waiting for the Ali gold article
Disagree.And, its not just the stadium... its also all of the surrounding property that ENIC own and can develop, and the hotel rights, etc...