Might not be appropriate for the public domain but it is truthful and correct IMO.
Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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chas vs dave
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Ashamed of what? We drew a game. Prior to this, we've won 4 out of 6 in the league and 4th in the form table.
We are technically in a similar position to where have been sitting in the last 8-10 years.
The result was disappointing, however, it didn't warrant the response.
What ridicule do we deserve?
MR_BEN
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Not many would be there given it’s an international break… even Conte is on his holidays …
wrd
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Can we come up with a system that you have to highlight each section of where you attribute blame before every post before making your point so we stop one person criticising the manager and then others coming in and saying what about Levy or Redknapp's dog. Look I'll make us a little tick sheet.
The blame Box:
[x] Owners
[x] Manager
[x] Players
[] Fans
[] Chirpy
You can even add little add a little percentage to each one if you like.
[x] Owners - 51%
[x] Manager - 29%
[x] Players - 20%
Then you make your point about Conte and hopefully nobody responds saying, well what about the players and the board. As you can see by my %'s I've gone for the pyramid approach with blame and level of control correlated. Feel free to get creative and name board members and have a pop at donna or Levy's cat, Paratici, name some players, perhaps find a way to blame Ryan Mason.
I'm begging all of you though, when somebody makes a point, argue the point. If somebody makes a criticism of Conte, don't retort to mentioning Levy because you're essentially having two different arguments and going round in circles. The level of improvement our discussions we will see and we will all feel better because we'll feel like our points were listened to.
The blame Box:
[x] Owners
[x] Manager
[x] Players
[] Fans
[] Chirpy
You can even add little add a little percentage to each one if you like.
[x] Owners - 51%
[x] Manager - 29%
[x] Players - 20%
Then you make your point about Conte and hopefully nobody responds saying, well what about the players and the board. As you can see by my %'s I've gone for the pyramid approach with blame and level of control correlated. Feel free to get creative and name board members and have a pop at donna or Levy's cat, Paratici, name some players, perhaps find a way to blame Ryan Mason.
I'm begging all of you though, when somebody makes a point, argue the point. If somebody makes a criticism of Conte, don't retort to mentioning Levy because you're essentially having two different arguments and going round in circles. The level of improvement our discussions we will see and we will all feel better because we'll feel like our points were listened to.
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One player with undue influence whispering in the other players ears? For sure that can be a huge problem.
hero
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Probably you need to ask him on Twitter. I suppose that N'Dombele is on a HUGE contract. Like Dele was. That is why it is still a problem to unload our dross.What failing players he rewarded with huge contracts lol? Kane and Son?
MR_BEN
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And of all the players - Dier isn’t one who comes across as someone who sulks, whines and complains when he doesn’t get his own way.
he comes across very well - as a positive influence. Completely the opposite of what he is being accused of.
NickHSpurs
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100% this. I don't know why some fans only seem to be able to blame one or the other when it comes to Levy, Conte or the players.
It's not a choice between Levy's decisions costing us, Conte's failings or the players underperforming, all three can be and are true, all at the same time.
It's not team Levy or team Conte situation. It's actuallty team Tottenham and both Levy and Conte (and the players) are letting us down in that regard.
Japhet
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His judgement on managers has been on a par with his ability to take free kicks. I bet he'd have kicked off if Ten Hag had been given the job.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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A widely respected guy who has consistently been praised by numerous managers for his character and ability, including at international level (and by serial winners Mourinho and Conte) and who is known as a very articulate and intelligent man outside of football.
But sure he's toxic and all our problems stem from Dier.
Bobbins
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You've gone from "Dier is a useless tosser" to "Dier is fine as a rotation option".
Do you maybe see why the language you use is a problem?
I've seen multiple comments in threads lately from people saying they "detest" Dier.
Football fans are just completely ridiculous. This isn't even heat of the moment stuff, which everyone can understand to an extent - this is sat back, objective bizarre hatred, of a person you've never met, who if you met in the street or the pub you'd be polite and respectful to (because why wouldn't you be polite and respectful to any other human being just as a matter of normal behaviour, right?). You might think Dier is rubbish at football, you might think he should be sold, but the language used by people like you and plenty of others is wildly out of proportion to the fact that he's just a bloke playing football for a team you happen to support. And it's not like he picks himself or actively tries to mess up.
One of the reasons I hardly read or post anything on here anymore is the utterly insane levels of hate, spite and vitriol being spouted by grown men who should know better. And that's to say nothing of the absolute meatheads at the games who've put me off for years with their screaming, spitting hatred of our own players, spewed at deafening volume whilst surrounded by people who would call them out for it if they did it anywhere but a football stadium.
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This is all very accurate.
But also makes me wonder if Paratici is actually Levy's cat.
Would explain a lot.
But yes broadly can we all accept that it's an all round clusterfuffle right now and therefore criticising one element of the club does not mean you are tacitly approving of everything else.
To that end...Conte is crap.
PLTuck
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Owners 50%
Manager 20%
Players 20%
Fans 10%
With fans it's not game to game in which we are often pretty good. It's more that we turn too quickly. Fans turned on Jol, and on Poch. I'm not having this "it was time to go" with Poch either. Arsenal fans were saying that about Arteta last season. The Arsenal board had the bo0llocks to ignore the fans and show the courage of their convictions and if anyone had enough credit in the bank to have a shit season without pressure of the sack it was Poch.
Manager and players are equally responsible imo, and then above that the board take the majority of blame as they appoint the managers and buy the players.
First there was not enough investment because the ground was small. Next it was because we had to build a new stadium, then Covid and now it's FFP in a few years. Here's what Levy said last month:
“Major changes have been introduced in Europe around FFP regulations, including the newly-launched UEFA financial sustainability rules, the full impact of which will be felt from season 2025-26.
“They are based on three pillars: solvency, stability and cost control, and clubs will have three seasons to adjust to them. Many expect that these new rules will be a game changer for the sport. Even tighter regulations may follow.”
If he could, he would change our motto from "to dare is to do" to the 5 words in bold.
This summer we can spend over £300m (excluding outgoings) and still will be under our FFP limit. But he won't do that, and we'll have to make do with his continuous meddling in transfers, forever looking for a bargain. The VDV transfer has gone to his head.
Yes, Conte definitely needs to go, but the reason we are in this position is down to one man only, and this cycle will continue till they sell up.
“Major changes have been introduced in Europe around FFP regulations, including the newly-launched UEFA financial sustainability rules, the full impact of which will be felt from season 2025-26.
“They are based on three pillars: solvency, stability and cost control, and clubs will have three seasons to adjust to them. Many expect that these new rules will be a game changer for the sport. Even tighter regulations may follow.”
If he could, he would change our motto from "to dare is to do" to the 5 words in bold.
This summer we can spend over £300m (excluding outgoings) and still will be under our FFP limit. But he won't do that, and we'll have to make do with his continuous meddling in transfers, forever looking for a bargain. The VDV transfer has gone to his head.
Yes, Conte definitely needs to go, but the reason we are in this position is down to one man only, and this cycle will continue till they sell up.
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Tyler24durden
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There’s 5 letters in bold 
Conte's cat is the main culprit. Self regarding, manipulative of owner's emotions, impressively arrogant and proud. Always gets fed but not things to his taste. Puts up with relentless and endless attacks then eventually strikes back.
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A number of #Tottenham supporters have grown irritated by players' manner and lack of intensity and believe the negativity they convey on the pitch has affected supporter morale.
wrd
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Yep and I think actually this is why I get so frustrated with the conversations and want to see us understand eachother better and see the debates evolve because I think that when we're well informed, when we know what we're actually talking about, we're less susceptible to being placated. I think that a fanbase that is more unified in it's understanding is in a better position to demand more from the club. Right now I'd say we're very easy to dismiss as not knowing what we want.
As you said the Arsenal board ignored the fans and were proven right, now I'd argue our board has thus far failed to show that they would be proven right if they were to ignore us but I think as a fanbase, we should consider whether we want to be the type of fanbase that should be ignored. Right now I'd say we are showing we should be and that's concerning given our board's all of the shop strategy. If we want to hold them to account, we have to be better.
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