Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

spurs mental · Mar 27, 2023

Gassin's finest said:
Lol, forgot Sanchez... is he likely to be here in the summer?

Did that other three ever play in that squad? Sess arrived injured.

I hope Sanchez is not here for next season but he's outlasted Jose and Conte now when we can all see he's a car crash. But you know what Levy is like, he's different.

I don't even think it's just those players that were here under Poch that are still here are the problem. They're part of it, they should have been sold a while ago. But it's littered with rubbish signed since Poch. All comes down to the lack of a coherent plan.

Mr Pink · Mar 27, 2023

Dougal said:
He’s not wrong…

That's breaking news lol

Jamturk · Mar 27, 2023

Trix said:
Well, when for 20 years you achieve next to nothing on the pitch perhaps you'd think to yourself perhaps i need to do something different here. Not double down on what hasn't been working.

The trajectory has been upwards all the way, we've come very close to CL and Premier League wins along the way why would Levy feel like he has failed?

Styopa · Mar 27, 2023

GMI said:
A piece from David Hytner

A lot of anger but no trophies – how Antonio Conte’s Spurs reign blew up | David Hytner

Tottenham fans do not expect silverware but they do demand progress, excitement and unity. This is where Antonio Conte failed

www.theguardian.com

"Conte repeatedly talked of the need for time and patience; how this team was not ready to win. Why then did he only sign a 20-month contract if winning was the one goal? Conte’s desire to turbo-charge his way to glory always felt like wishful thinking; to live the upside of his typical cycle – arrival, huge investment, silverware. Was Levy ever going to authorise the kind of big-money signings he craves? He did back him to a reasonable degree".

Most reasonable journos take this view. In fact, most people looking at it from the outside understand why Conte was such a poor appointment for Spurs. The key quote for me:

"Spurs fans are no more impatient than those at the other big clubs. If they can see a plan and progress, if they can enjoy the matches, they will get on board. This is ultimately where Conte failed. Trophies are a long shot for virtually any club in England. The Spurs support do not expect them. What they do demand – quite legitimately – is unity, selflessness and the prospect of excitement."

GMI · Mar 27, 2023

Dougal said:
He’s not wrong…

I'll take any manager....but not bloody Chris Martin...

I assume that that is a parody Romano tweet?

alfie103 · Mar 27, 2023

Styopa said:
Most reasonable journos take this view. In fact, most people looking at it from the outside understand why Conte was such a poor appointment for Spurs. The key quote for me:

"Spurs fans are no more impatient than those at the other big clubs. If they can see a plan and progress, if they can enjoy the matches, they will get on board. This is ultimately where Conte failed. Trophies are a long shot for virtually any club in England. The Spurs support do not expect them. What they do demand – quite legitimately – is unity, selflessness and the prospect of excitement."

Well he doesn't speak for me, was Conte such a poor appointment at the end of last season?

spursfan77 · Mar 27, 2023

Styopa said:
Most reasonable journos take this view. In fact, most people looking at it from the outside understand why Conte was such a poor appointment for Spurs. The key quote for me:

"Spurs fans are no more impatient than those at the other big clubs. If they can see a plan and progress, if they can enjoy the matches, they will get on board. This is ultimately where Conte failed. Trophies are a long shot for virtually any club in England. The Spurs support do not expect them. What they do demand – quite legitimately – is unity, selflessness and the prospect of excitement."

The game in this country is completely broken. He’s completely right here btw.

Trix · Mar 27, 2023

Jamturk said:
The trajectory has been upwards all the way, we've come very close to CL and Premier League wins along the way why would Levy feel like he has failed?

In the 23 years Enic have been here we've won 1 trophy.

In that same 23 year period the managers Levy has employed have won 63 trophies between them.

It's not the ownership, it's the managers though eh?

Frank Blank · Mar 27, 2023

alfie103 said:
What about when players come out and criticise the manager?

Players are paid to perform (contractually) to the best of their abilities; not run their mouths off.

Ruffinthepuffin · Mar 27, 2023

Trix said:
In the 23 years Enic have been here we've won 1 trophy.

In that same 23 year period the managers Levy has employed have won 63 trophies between them.

It's not the ownership it's the managers though eh?

Great post. Incredible stats.

Gassin's finest · Mar 27, 2023

spurs mental said:
I hope Sanchez is not here for next season but he's outlasted Jose and Conte now when we can all see he's a car crash. But you know what Levy is like, he's different.

I don't even think it's just those players that were here under Poch that are still here are the problem. They're part of it, they should have been sold a while ago. But it's littered with rubbish signed since Poch. All comes down to the lack of a coherent plan.

Can't disagree there.

mpickard2087 · Mar 27, 2023

Meh. His reign dined out almost entirely on that 10 game spell at the end of last season. Someone who always acted like he was doing us a favour and this was all a bit beneath him. Never committed himself to the cause long term, never attempted to find any solutions to tactical problems and teams working us out, hand on heart name one player he has truly improved, and whatever anyone comes back with in defence like his touchline antics or "he came back early after surgery!!!!!" my main takeaway of Conte will be someone who was semi-detached and tbh phoned it in a bit.

See ya.

PLTuck · Mar 27, 2023

Dougal said:
He’s not wrong…

BREAKING NEWS: Tomorrow may be sunny, but it may also not be sunny. The weather will decide tomorrow when the time is right. #weatherwatch

Gassin's finest · Mar 27, 2023

Trix said:
In the 23 years Enic have been here we've won 1 trophy.

In that same 23 year period the managers Levy has employed have won 63 trophies between them.

It's not the ownership, it's the managers though eh?

You're not wrong, but you're gonna give yourself a connery.

Dakes · Mar 27, 2023

DanoCanuck said:
I’ve been out of touch the last couple weeks due to travel but I was stunned when I read about Conte’s diatribe last week. I thought “what a shit bag” and wanted him gone ASAP. I wanted to hear he was grabbed by the throat and run through the door head first on his way out. He instantly became a cancer and might have been one even before that if that kinda shit was in his head. Good riddance and fuck that asshole.

Dakes · Mar 27, 2023

Trix said:
Nah, it's a crazy decision brought on by the fact that our board have no idea what they want as a collective. I keep hearing "perhaps we are waiting until the summer because who we want is currently employed". Nope we just don't know what we are doing. We've been speaking to Naglesmann but not everyone is convinced. Poch has his backers, Galardo the same but they can't decide between them. That is fundamentally because there is no mission statement as to what we are and who as a club we want to be.

I'm sure the Levy apologists will be along shortly to tell me how I've got it wrong, but I haven't. It genuinely is the blind leading the blind.

Standard fare

Styopa · Mar 27, 2023

Trix said:
In the 23 years Enic have been here we've won 1 trophy.

In that same 23 year period the managers Levy has employed have won 63 trophies between them.

It's not the ownership it's the managers though eh?

Yeah, but you also need to take into account the profile of the clubs at which the majority of those trophies were won.

It's not really surprising that previous Spurs managers have won multiple trophies with the likes of Chelsea, Juve, Real Madrid, Man U, PSG and Inter. Those are some of the biggest and highest-spending clubs in the world. Most managers who go to those clubs win trophies.

Oh Teddy Teddy · Mar 27, 2023

Styopa said:
Yeah, but you also need to take into account the profile of the clubs at which the majority of those trophies were won.

It's not really surprising that previous Spurs managers have won multiple trophies with the likes of Chelsea, Juve, Real Madrid, Man U, PSG and Inter. Those are some of the biggest and highest-spending clubs in the world. Most managers who go to those clubs win trophies.

Then they were not the right managers for the Spurs job, so that's on the guy who appointed them surely?

mpickard2087 · Mar 27, 2023

Obviously more going on though than we're getting told. For a managers established close-knit staff to remain whilst he departs is not the norm. Hardly speaks of the club kicking Conte to the kerb if the others are willing to stick around. Whether his health is worse than stated, he's told the club he simply isn't prepared to stick it out till the end of the season, who knows, but we're not getting the full tale.

I'm not sure keeping on the backroom contingent, for stability purposes or whatever, is the right move.... But I guess fair play to them for being professional and sticking it out till the end of the season and fulfilling contracts etc. You'd imagine they had the option to depart with AC.

We'll see what Stellini can do, hopefully find something that works and gets the players on board and keeps the show on the road till the end of the season. I wouldn't expect a tactical revolution, but I do fear for him though if it's more passive 5-4-1.... He's got about 10 mins of that and there's a riot in the stadium.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 27, 2023

Jamturk said:
The trajectory has been upwards all the way, we've come very close to CL and Premier League wins along the way why would Levy feel like he has failed?

Because all that upward trajectory coincided with the best form we’ve ever had as a club, largely due to Poch and during that time Levy failed miserably with recruitment which could’ve pushed us on to actually win something.

What Poch achieved was a miracle by all accounts and since he’s left Levy’s holes have been glaringly obvious for anyone with eyes to see.

We are currently on a downward trajectory.

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