Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Archibald&Crooks · Apr 23, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Imagine saying said person was right, when said person is solely responsible for mental fortitude.

I don't think the problems around the club are as easily solved as you're making out.

Could he have done better? Sure. And in a number of ways. But still..........what he said was accurate.

Again, the 'but' thing gets the focus and the responses and the actual problem is diluted like a glass of orange squash just so the knife can be twisted that little bit more.

Johnny J · Apr 23, 2023

Misfit said:
Nuke it from orbit and start over.

It's the only way to be sure.

Archibald&Crooks · Apr 23, 2023

Harrier said:
Basic man management 101

chrisd2k · Apr 23, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
I don't think the problems around the club are as easily solved as you're making out.

Could he have done better? Sure. And in a number of ways. But still..........what he said was accurate.

Again, the 'but' thing gets the focus and the responses and the actual problem is diluted like a glass of orange squash just so the knfe can be twisted that little bit more.

Two things can be correct.

Misfit · Apr 23, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
I don't think the problems around the club are as easily solved as you're making out.

Could he have done better? Sure. And in a number of ways. But still..........what he said was accurate.

Again, the 'but' thing gets the focus and the responses and the actual problem is diluted like a glass of orange squash just so the knfe can be twisted that little bit more.

TBF, before Antonio came and starting poncing about the place, Spurs squads were known for their steely-eyed determination and fighting spirit, if nothing else...

Archibald&Crooks · Apr 23, 2023

chrisd2k said:
Two things can be correct.

Indeed, and so again the point is missed.

But thank you, Confucius

NEVILLEB · Apr 23, 2023

Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino were sacked for going through a dip in form.

No chance with Levy in charge.

NickHSpurs · Apr 23, 2023

NickHSpurs said:
I can’t believe he’s still here, I feel like he’s been saved because Liverpool and Chelsea are not at their normal levels, as if they were we’d be nowhere near CL places.

Let’s not forget if Brighton win their games in hand we’ll be 6th and Liverpool have been fucking dreadful but somehow if they win their games in hand they’ll only be a point behind us.

Brentford will also be in touching distance if they win their game in hand.

We’ll be 7th-8th soon enough.

I said similar in the Levy thread but what annoys me is that if I could foresee this in February, why couldn't the Club?

Although he was a big part of the problem, Conte was bang on about everything he said but we had a chance of Top 4 even when he was eventually sacked. The moment we stuck with Stellini that was taken away, it was so obvious we wouldn't get any bounce.

chas vs dave · Apr 23, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
I don't think the problems around the club are as easily solved as you're making out.

Could he have done better? Sure. And in a number of ways. But still..........what he said was accurate.

Again, the 'but' thing gets the focus and the responses and the actual problem is diluted like a glass of orange squash just so the knife can be twisted that little bit more.

No, they aren't diluted. The players are a problem, however, said manager had multiple opportunities to play youth players, but chose not to. He stuck with said players.

He did nothing to change the personel.

Poch for all his faults bombed out adebayor.for kane

Archibald&Crooks · Apr 23, 2023

chas vs dave said:
No, they aren't diluted.

Yes, they are. Big time.

Thankfully, only one or two people seem to think that saying he was right is a defence of him or is some sort of absolution. And it's not. The issues are widely understood.

He has his faults and he carries the can for a number of things but how does reminding everyone of that help? How does any 'yeah but' or 'however' change what he said being correct? It doesn't, of course it doesn't. So we end up arguing the toss about that instead of talking about what he actually said and suddenly it's all about that and not the actual problem. So yes diluted.

Thankfully it's very few who feel the need so i'll leave it there and stop diluting the issue myself

Harrier · Apr 23, 2023

Stamford said:
and he's gone. The problems remain, so now what?

Hard reset!

Firstly identify the right manager and DoF to play the football we used to be known for.

Refresh the squad in-line with their recommendations.

We can say a hard reset should include the chairman, but I can’t honestly see that happening if we’re honest about it can you?!

TOLBINY · Apr 23, 2023

NickHSpurs said:
I said similar in the Levy thread but what annoys me is that if I could foresee this in February, why couldn't the Club?

Although he was a big part of the problem, Conte was bang on about everything he said but we had a chance of Top 4 even when he was eventually sacked. The moment we stuck with Stellini that was taken away, it was so obvious we wouldn't get any bounce.

The moment we sacked Conte it was taken away because the players knew they were untouchable.

ralphs bald spot · Apr 23, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
Once again it's but Conte this and but Conte that. I couldn't give a fuck what his motivation for saying it was (and let's be honest, people don't have a clue about that) the fact is, what he said was accurate. No 'yeah but', none of that. It was accurate and it needed saying.

your absolutely wrong him castigating the players in his own defence of his system which wasn't working - this has been coming all season we have just about got by but the lack of intensity and team having no patterns of play was all on Conte - he then destroyed the remnants of any confidence the players might have had by doing the unforvigeable and blasting the players and the club in public - Levy should have cleared out Stellini and the remnants of the Conte shit show and found either a caretaker who might have had bit of bounce but for whatever reason he didn't and we will pay the price

-Afri-Coy- · Apr 23, 2023

Shit talk Jose, Nuno, Conte all you want but none of them have ever shipped 5 goals in under 25 mins with any teams they've managed but our players have.

At some point you have to start holding them accountable, they’re supposed to be professional FFS.

That tells me everything I need to know about the CORE problem at the club. Conte was right, there’s no arguing it. Anything else is just a tangent.

Johnny J · Apr 23, 2023

What happened to the next manager thread?

-Afri-Coy- · Apr 23, 2023

Johnny J said:
What happened to the next manager thread?

Probably locked again to avoid it getting flooded with posts that belong in here, the rebuild thread or otherwise

ralphs bald spot · Apr 23, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
Shit talk Jose, Nuno, Conte all you want but none of them have ever shipped 5 goals in under 25 mins with any teams they've managed but our players have.

At some point you have to start holding them accountable, they’re supposed to be professional FFS.

That tells me everything I need to know about the CORE problem at the club. Conte was right, there’s no arguing it. Anything else is just a tangent.

the players have been destroyed this season unfortunately they are what you have - the nonsense tactics beaten by Forest reserves Sheff United reserves and we could go on that was under Conte you can't seperate the lack of decent management this season and just say the players ain't good enough that kids stuff - your right no pros should get blown away like that - but the manager hung them out to dry and walked away happy days for him there is no confidence in the side what so ever- lots of those players ain't good enough but they sure has hell haven't been helped by the tactics we have used and manager bad mouthing them in fact some of our best players have been made to look dog average

Whatever happens next season some of those players will be at Tottenham unless we do a two for one offer and I am not sure even then some of them would be picked so someone needs to pick the confidence up and build a side capable of showing some bollocks because Conte and Jose before him were incapable of it

Harrier · Apr 23, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
Shit talk Jose, Nuno, Conte all you want but none of them have ever shipped 5 goals in under 25 mins with any teams they've managed but our players have.

At some point you have to start holding them accountable, they’re supposed to be professional FFS.

That tells me everything I need to know about the CORE problem at the club. Conte was right, there’s no arguing it. Anything else is just a tangent.

A lot of the players need upgrading. I don’t think many people would dispute that.

Do you honestly not think though, that a decent coach, ie someone who actually coaches and improves players wouldn’t have done better with the same group?

I bet Eddie Howe would have got a better tune out of what we’ve got than Conte.

-Afri-Coy- · Apr 23, 2023

ralphs bald spot said:
the players have been destroyed this season unfortunately they are what you have - the nonsense tactics beaten by Forest reserves Sheff United reserves and we could go on that was under Conte you can't seperate the lack of decent management this season and just say the players ain't good enough that kids stuff - your right no pros should get blown away like that - but the manager hung them out to dry and walked away happy days for him there is no confidence in the side what so ever- lots of those players ain't good enough but they sure has hell haven't been helped by the tactics we have used and manager bad mouthing them in fact some of our best players have been made to look dog average

Whatever happens next season some of those players will be at Tottenham unless we do a two for one offer and I am not sure even then some of them would be picked so someone needs to pick the confidence up and build a side capable of showing some bollocks because Conte and Jose before him were incapable of it

You’re talking about adult, professional, top level footballers here not a team of under 7’s that need nurturing and coaching.

The performance today is simply inexcusable. I can’t for the life of me understand how you still refuse to put any blame on them whatsoever.

At what point does the money become enough of a motivating factor? I remember everyone shitting down Conte’s throat for not earning his wage but God forbid you expect the same from the players.

I don’t care about “confidence” and “tactics” I care about discipline, professionalism and pride for the badge. They completely disrespected every single one of us today.

But once again, everything we are discussing now is a tangent. This is the Conte thread and my point still stands. He was right about the players and the club.

Funnily enough the only element of the club he had any affection and admiration for were the fans. He always made it a point to mention the fans. Even in his meltdown the main point of his outburst was the disrespect towards the fans. Who show up for the club matchday after matchday.

He genuinely cared about us and yet some of you refuse to see or admit that. It didn’t work out, but he cared about us. A hell of a lot more than these shite, unprofessional players have.

And yet here we are, the biggest element of the club slagging off the man who cared enough to say something about this bullshit. Bad timing. But He was right.

spurs mental · Apr 23, 2023

ralphs bald spot said:
Whatever happens next season some of those players will be at Tottenham unless we do a two for one offer and I am not sure even then some of them would be picked so someone needs to pick the confidence up and build a side capable of showing some bollocks because Conte and Jose before him were incapable of it

Harrier said:
A lot of the players need upgrading. I don’t think many people would dispute that.

Do you honestly not think though, that a decent coach, ie someone who actually coaches and improves players wouldn’t have done better with the same group?

I bet Eddie Howe would have got a better tune out of what we’ve got than Conte.

No manager is getting anything out of a whole bunch of these players though.

Maybe a different coach would have got more out of them, but dont forget we finished 4th by a miracle under Conte last season and he got a lot out of the same players. It wasn't all bad as some like to paint it. Any manager would have struggled in the circumstances surrounding the club, the health complications and the personal loss that Conte did too this season. I'm doubtful anyone would have done better.

As for next season; regardless of who the manager is look at what we need;
Lloris is finished. We need a new GK.
Dier is not good enough. We need at least one new CB. It could be Lenglet if reports are true about a deal being agreed and we've all seen he's not the level we need.
Romero doesn't even look great lately.
Porro is wing back we're going to sign for 40m but everyone seems to want us to play a back 4 so thats a waste of money in all likelihood but I'm sure he could probably learn to play at RB.
Davies/Perisic/Sess all have their plusses but none of them are the answer to the LB situation. Hopefully Udogie works out but again he's more of WB than a FB so who knows?
Midfield we need someone with creative spark, those players don't come cheap.
Kane might be on the way out.
Son, who knows what Son we're going to see.
Kulu has been horrific most of the season.
Richy has barely played but he'll probably be our starting striker next season.

Couple that with having to get rid of the likes of Sanchez, Tanganga, and our loan returns Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks Gil and anyone elae, I don't see all of that being addressed and we're still going to be looking at a lot of plodders.

Levy isn't going to allow any man to get rid of everyone he wants and sign the players he wants. Even if we have a new DOF, it's not happening.

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