The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

dagraham · Apr 24, 2023

robin09 said:
It’s very possible you were right every time.
But most fans weren’t critical of hiring Conte, and could understand why Mourinho was the guy after Poch, and could understand why Poch was fired.

I think of all those examples, nuno and that chase was the most blatantly amateur period of decision making.

Levy has made some bad moves, thag have become more frequent as we’ve reached a ceiling of where we can reach. But everyone claiming they knew X or Y was a bad decision at the time, is obviously hindsight bias.

I have been very critical of Levy in the past and continue to be so, but to be fair I could understand the Mourinho appointment.

The decision to sack him less than a week before a cup final I still can’t believe ( although the cynic in me can point me to why he did it), but I can at least understand why he rolled the dice with him in the first place.

rossdapep · Apr 24, 2023

This popped up today

Carragher won this btw

rossdapep · Apr 24, 2023

rossdapep said:
This popped up today

Carragher won this btw

...also David Jones raised a good question about selling one of 2 like Liverpool

fishhhandaricecake · Apr 24, 2023

SUIYHA said:
Not a great statement by any means - but the tone of it is very different to what we usually see. Have looked back through all of the statements I could find (there are many) and they are all either very blunt and straight to the point, or wish the manager well after talking about their successes, maybe at best saying something like "it's not worked out the way we hoped".

Conte
Nuno - came from Paratici not Levy
Mourinho
Pochettino
Sherwood
AVB
Redknapp
Ramos

It won't be enough for most people, but this is the very first time Levy appears to have actually acknowledged some degree of responsibility this time around.

Yep it’s a tiny tiny crumb or a drop in the ocean but your right it’s a different type of PR approach.

The heat is bigger than it ever has been so someone has definitely advised him to make the comms more relatable and take the blame as everyone is point the finger at him now.

But actions speak louder than words.

If in the next few days or week we announce for example Ragnick will be new DofF with Naglesman as manager that would be a huge start, some alignment and great choices and announced early so they can start planning for the summer serious reshuffle now.

However most likely we trundle on and at best announce a manager in the next few weeks and then a completely random non linked or aligned DofF a few weeks after that leaving them little time to make a plan to sort out this mess.

It’s the same cycle over and over.

JCRD · Apr 24, 2023

Chimbo! said:
I feel like Levy is flying by the seat of his pants at the moment. For 18 years, he had a strategy, and after he built the stadium, he seemed to lose sight of his vision or even achieved his vision, and now has no idea what he wants Spurs to be in 5, 10, or 15 years time.

I do feel like the club has got too big for him. We were effectively a start up for him but now established, the expectations etc have got much higher now - and he needs to align himself with that. I am unsure we have enough people on the Board who can run a behemoth like we are and that places so much more emphasis on structure... he is trying to run us like he always has - and that isnt going to work anymore. Its ok to make mistakes, just dont make them twice, he keeps making them and needs to learn from those.

For the love of Spurs · Apr 24, 2023

JCRD said:
I do feel like the club has got too big for him. We were effectively a start up for him but now established, the expectations etc have got much higher now - and he needs to align himself with that. I am unsure we have enough people on the Board who can run a behemoth like we are and that places so much more emphasis on structure... he is trying to run us like he always has - and that isnt going to work anymore. Its ok to make mistakes, just dont make them twice, he keeps making them and needs to learn from those.

He doesn’t get football, he gets business. Do what the other owners who don’t get football do like Kronke, hire football experts and let them get on with it.

We have no plan becuase the board look like they view every decision as purely financial and not in terms of building a football team with a clear mission. Levy is totally out of his depth at this.

Now it's Spursonal · Apr 24, 2023

Dear All,
I personally think everyone is being far too harsh on Mr. Daniel Levy. I think we should all rally and get behind him so that we can have the best possible end to the season.

COYS, Daniel

fishhhandaricecake · Apr 24, 2023

vicbob said:
Don’t tell me, this is his last chance to get it right…………………….again

Haha yep he simply ‘HAS’ to get this one right

dontcallme · Apr 24, 2023

dagraham said:
I have been very critical of Levy in the past and continue to be so, but to be fair I could understand the Mourinho appointment.

The decision to sack him less than a week before a cup final I still can’t believe ( although the cynic in me can point me to why he did it), but I can at least understand why he rolled the dice with him in the first place.

I think the problem, isn't the individual decisions themselves but the lack of any actual planning.

On the footballing side, I think one of the best things Levy did was hire Arnesen. This was near the beginning of Levy's time here and he appeared happy to let the DOF gut out the club at all levels. Once Jol was head coach, there was a lot of talk by Jol and Arnesen about playing 433 throughout the whole club and developing a style of play.

When Arnesen left, Comolli was hired. A DOF who had no real interest in developing styles of play or providing the head coach with what he asked for. But he bought us players like Bale and Modric so we couldn't complain right?

Then when that went to shit, we hired Redknapp, yet another new direction, then Baldini and AVB, Poch, Jose, Nuno, Conte. Mostly relatively understandable decisions, but they came out of no identity being created at all.

We bought Royal as a full back, then we changed manager and all of a sudden he had to play wing back. Then we spent big on Porro, then we fired the manager who wanted wing backs.

We're all speculating on the new manager and who should take over but we have no idea as we have no idea what our identity is, our formation, playing style, etc.

The result is we hire the best we can and then it fails.

In the past I've defended the individual hirings that went wrong. But they went wrong because we have no idea what it is that we want.

JCRD · Apr 24, 2023

For the love of Spurs said:
He doesn’t get football, he gets business. Do what the other owners who don’t get football do like Kronke, hire football experts and let them get on with it.

We have no plan becuase the board look like they view every decision as purely financial and not in terms of building a football team with a clear mission. Levy is totally out of his depth at this.

And that is what I mean. The expectations ont he football side of things were much lower, so the knowledge of football he did have, he could get away with. Now it needs more technical knowledge and understanding - he doesnt have that. Hopefully Munn helps in this.

ronzalo · Apr 24, 2023

That "COYS, Daniel" is absolutely cringe.

For the love of Spurs · Apr 24, 2023

JCRD said:
And that is what I mean. The expectations ont he football side of things were much lower, so the knowledge of football he did have, he could get away with. Now it needs more technical knowledge and understanding - he doesnt have that. Hopefully Munn helps in this.

Munn maybe himself not have it, the hope is he hires a DoF with a clear vision of how the football should be played and empowers him to act.

This is not just incompetence, if you look at the ITK down the years Levy thinking he knows best in areas he has zero clue is the big reason. If Levy doesn’t trust people who know the game vastly better than he does nothing changes.

fishhhandaricecake · Apr 24, 2023

For the love of Spurs said:
Munn maybe himself not have it, the hope is he hires a DoF with a clear vision of how the football should be played and empowers him to act.

This is not just incompetence, if you look at the ITK down the years Levy thinking he knows best in areas he has zero clue is the big reason. If Levy doesn’t trust people who know the game vastly better than he does nothing changes.

Apparently the club hired some consultants to assess the way the football side of the club has been run hence the hiring of Munn into the new Chief Football Officer role and restructuring of the scouting and recruitment teams.

Levy also called a meeting with all the staff to discuss how they defined ‘winning’.

If the club follows those changes up with hiring e.g. Slot/Naglesman and a DofF who shares a similar philosophy then maybe just maybe we might start to go in the right direction but as I said previously this is an awful lot of IF’s and history tells us that even when changes are made on the football side usually Levy gets it completely wrong and it just doesn’t work out.

Munn for example could do a great job but his lack of PL and European experience does concern me. The main thing is that he understands the history and DNA of the club and addresses that moving us back towards the style of play we want and maybe hire a coach who also is keen to play some of our youth team also so we start to build back an identity and style of play and vision the fans can get excited by and be proud of.

PaulM · Apr 24, 2023

For the love of Spurs said:
He doesn’t get football, he gets business. Do what the other owners who don’t get football do like Kronke, hire football experts and let them get on with it.

We have no plan becuase the board look like they view every decision as purely financial and not in terms of building a football team with a clear mission. Levy is totally out of his depth at this.

Unfortunately, this is true. Levy doesn't just want to make money. That narrative is too simplistic. He wants to make the club successful too. But when it comes to priorities and where there is a conflict between those two aims, you can bet that making money comes first.

He sets the tone. The priority at our club, from people in the know, is top 4. Champions League football. You can bet that contracts are heavily incentivised that way for players and management. And there is an economic reality behind that. The CL earns you more money. But if contracts are incentivised that way then that's going to dictate the decisions of the manager and the players. So selecting teams for cup games when fighting for top 4 will always result in a weakened team.

This player committee. Why would Levy consult with them? Maybe it's standard practice but it seems like something that would undermine the manager's position if players have the owner's ear. Now why would he do that? Is it because he views these lads as assets and will do what he can to keep them sweet even if that undermines the team and manager? Giving these boys too much influence because he sees them as assets rather than lads who should be towing the line for their manager. Again, there is an economic reality here but that reality is being given too much priority IMO.

His wages to turnover ratio has always been the lowest in the league. When it comes to signing players, people have gotten distracted by transfer fees. We're not too shabby on transfer fees. But we are on wages and the facts bear that out. The lowest wages to turnover ratio in the league up to a couple of seasons ago (haven't seen the last 1-2 years). That's a big factor in why we can't compete for top players. It's not the fees really, it's what we're willing to pay them. Great for the income statement, not so good for being competitive.

We're a business first and a competitive sporting outfit second. It runs through everything we do. And it's a strategy that can only get us to where we currently are. There is no sporting future in it. Levy, I've defended you time and again over the year. At some point, you have to be properly accountable - it's time to go.

septicsac · Apr 24, 2023

As someone who does not live in the UK, it is easy for me to say, but I think Thursday night needs to be boycotted, no resales, an empty stadium, this is not a wish it's a necessity!
We cannot continue to lurch from one disaster to the next under this clown, as the hole we are sliding into is getting deeper and harder to escape from.
If Masons appointment and accompanying out of touch cringe worthy message is not enough to convince all of the trouble we are in then I fail to understand what will.
We all love the club, some can do more than others, personally I l stopped buying official merch a few yrs ago, but a boycott of a major televised match would send a message worldwide. It would be talked about for weeks and put more pressure than could ever be exerted by other means.
It would be a financial hit for many, but it's time we all do what we can and take one for the sake of our club.
Would sign off with Coys, but DL has even managed to sully that for now.

Mate · Apr 24, 2023

PaulM said:
Am I the only one who is massively concerned that there is apparently a player committee who has the ear of the chairman?

What chance has any manager got coming into this shitshow?

It was mentioned on Sky Sports that the player committee is made up of Hugo, Kane, Dier and Hojbjerg.

For the love of Spurs · Apr 24, 2023

PaulM said:
Unfortunately, this is true. Levy doesn't just want to make money. That narrative is too simplistic. He wants to make the club successful too. But when it comes to priorities and where there is a conflict between those two aims, you can bet that making money comes first.

He sets the tone. The priority at our club, from people in the know, is top 4. Champions League football. You can bet that contracts are heavily incentivised that way for players and management. And there is an economic reality behind that. The CL earns you more money. But if contracts are incentivised that way then that's going to dictate the decisions of the manager and the players. So selecting teams for cup games when fighting for top 4 will always result in a weakened team.

This player committee. Why would Levy consult with them? Maybe it's standard practice but it seems like something that would undermine the manager's position if players have the owner's ear. Now why would he do that? Is it because he views these lads as assets and will do what he can to keep them sweet even if that undermines the team and manager? Giving these boys too much influence because he sees them as assets rather than lads who should be towing the line for their manager. Again, there is an economic reality here but that reality is being given too much priority IMO.

His wages to turnover ratio has always been the lowest in the league. When it comes to signing players, people have gotten distracted by transfer fees. We're not too shabby on transfer fees. But we are on wages and the facts bear that out. The lowest wages to turnover ratio in the league up to a couple of seasons ago (haven't seen the last 1-2 years). That's a big factor in why we can't compete for top players. It's not the fees really, it's what we're willing to pay them. Great for the income statement, not so good for being competitive.

We're a business first and a competitive sporting outfit second. It runs through everything we do. And it's a strategy that can only get us to where we currently are. There is no sporting future in it. Levy, I've defended you time and again over the year. At some point, you have to be properly accountable - it's time to go.

it will be worse as well. Top 4 was financial benifical but now with doped Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea, Brighton, hell even Brentford. Top 4 will cost a fortune going forward maybe more than it makes so the economics of top 4 no longer make sense as they did up to now.

The finances will favour mid table so you can look to that for the future. For ENIC look to the money, if it was financially beneficial to be relegated we would aim for that.

Cochise · Apr 24, 2023

alexn_spurs said:
It was mentioned on Sky Sports that the player committee is made up of Hugo, Kane, Dier and Hojbjerg.

Hojbjerg and Dier. FFS

thelak · Apr 24, 2023

JCRD said:
And that is what I mean. The expectations ont he football side of things were much lower, so the knowledge of football he did have, he could get away with. Now it needs more technical knowledge and understanding - he doesnt have that. Hopefully Munn helps in this.

yeah hopefully Munns Melbourne FC experience covers for the gaps in Levy’s knowledge

Johnny J · Apr 24, 2023

Daniel Levy lacks courage, class and respect for Tottenham fans

It must be sad being a fan held in contempt by others. It must be miserable going to matches and hearing your name vilified. It might be possible to pity Daniel

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