Harry Kane

mil1lion · Jun 3, 2023

Watched the Messi documentary of his search for a world cup. It would be so special for Kane to finally earn a trophy here after all these years. Its easy to forget these kind of stories nowadays with the mega rich dominating. It would be so easy to win at City but winning something with a club like Spurs is legendary.

TheHoddleWaddle · Jun 3, 2023

robin09 said:
Kane won’t leave this summer.

He knows Levy won’t sanction it, he learned that during the City summer when he did as much as he could to force it.
So his quotes this time around are more neutral and open, no point burning bridges with spurs fans again when he’s got to stay for another 12 months.

The key for Levy now is persuading him to sign a new deal, I’d say that’s unlikely, but if we knock it out of the park with the key decisions this summer, there’s at least a chance he doesn’t walk on a free.

I don't think Levy holds the cards here. Kane does. Knowing levy as we do, do you really think he'd sign off a 100m asset like kane, for the sake of a season? Different if we were pushing for champs league, but now?

I think, with the right amount of financial temptation he'll be off. Onions and all that.

danielneeds · Jun 3, 2023

mil1lion said:
Watched the Messi documentary of his search for a world cup. It would be so special for Kane to finally earn a trophy here after all these years. Its easy to forget these kind of stories nowadays with the mega rich dominating. It would be so easy to win at City but winning something with a club like Spurs is legendary.

The fact is the league cup may be possible, but the rest are swallowed up by City, and then the crumbs by Liverpool, Chelsea and United. We’re not realistic contenders in the foreseeable future.

Gassin's finest · Jun 3, 2023

The special relationship strikes again.

Neon_Knight_ · Jun 3, 2023

JCRD said:
I think 400k is on par I think. We consider him world class, you gotta pay world class wages. I thinkt he real thing here would be the length of contract and whether you go say 4 or 5 and then whether you have a release clause or 'gentlemans agreement written' etc.

Anyways it is all erm speculation really. Will be a fun summer.

Any such clauses surely have to be negatively factored into salary demands though. KDB will not have any release clause written into his £400k p.w. contract.

Doctor Dinkey · Jun 3, 2023

PCozzie said:
It's whether, in making the decision to stay or go, after all the blood, sweat and tears of ten years at Spurs, he considers it a greater achievement to stay and win an FA cup here

If we had a genuine chance of winning an FA Cup in the next few years, I'd agree with you. But realistically those chances are very, very small. He can't give up his chance of a trophy on the remote possibility we get our act together.

ajspurs · Jun 3, 2023

InOffMeLeftShin said:
The only place that can pretty much guarantee a trophy in England is City. The only real option he has to move to is Utd but they really aren’t that good.

I think at United he's only winning the odd Carabao or FA Cup if anything. Yes better than nothing, but he'll still be scrutinised for 'only' winning either of them. And like others have said, there's every chance he'd still win nothing. Arsenal are stronger and will be more of a threat in domestic cups and you'd expect Liverpool and Chelsea to sort themselves out eventually too. Not to mention Newcastle emerging. Only 'safe' bet when it comes to trophies is City or a side abroad really.

PCozzie · Jun 3, 2023

Doctor Dinkey said:
If we had a genuine chance of winning an FA Cup in the next few years, I'd agree with you. But realistically those chances are very, very small. He can't give up his chance of a trophy on the remote possibility we get our act together.

Again, this is to miss my point. It supposes that Kane regards any cup - whoever it is with - with the same level of importance. That a career simply boils down to how many pots he has on his mantlepiece.

Maybe he does, my thoughts were to what extent that will factor when he makes a decision whether to stay or leave. Whether he considers the struggle to finally win a cup with Spurs means the same as walking into (eg) The Etihad and almost being given a trophy a season, and whether there is some kind of tipping point after which he considers that his career will not be measured by how many trophies he wins overall, but whether he finally drags Spurs to just one.

There's a linked point to make about how individuals in a team sport are considered to have succeeded or failed depending on whether the team in which they played and formed an integral part managed to win anything of note, but that's for elsewhere.

Doctor Dinkey · Jun 3, 2023

PCozzie said:
Again, this is to miss my point. It supposes that Kane regards any cup - whoever it is with - with the same level of importance. That a career simply boils down to how many pots he has on his mantlepiece.

Maybe he does, my thoughts were to what extent that will factor when he makes a decision whether to stay or leave. Whether he considers the struggle to finally win a cup with Spurs means the same as walking into (eg) The Etihad and almost being given a trophy a season, and whether there is some kind of tipping point after which he considers that his career will not be measured by how many trophies he wins overall, but whether he finally drags Spurs to just one.

There's a linked point to make about how individuals in a team sport are considered to have succeeded or failed depending on whether the team in which they played and formed an integral part managed to win anything of note, but that's for elsewhere.

I think you're slightly misreading what I'm saying. I'm sure Kane would prefer winning an FA Cup or even League Cup with Spurs to more prestigious trophies with another club. But he's obviously looking at the chances of Spurs winning any honours at all and has decided that there's no chance at all of that happening.

PCozzie · Jun 3, 2023

Doctor Dinkey said:
......But he's obviously looking at the chances of Spurs winning any honours at all and has decided that there's no chance at all of that happening.

Has he?

I haven't seen any evidence of him having decided that. As it stands there's no transfer request, and none of the shenanigans from a couple of summer's ago. He might yet decide to leave, this summer or next, but as it stands there's no movement either way. Which is why I was positing the question about what might or might not be in his mind, because it is probably the kind of thing he's thinking about and talking about behind the scenes.

mil1lion · Jun 3, 2023

danielneeds said:
The fact is the league cup may be possible, but the rest are swallowed up by City, and then the crumbs by Liverpool, Chelsea and United. We’re not realistic contenders in the foreseeable future.

Thing is we're more than capable of knocking City out of the cup with our record against them. It's just a matter of how the draw goes. We should have gone all the way in the FA Cup this season. Even a league cup is worth as much as the FA Cup anyway. Although Leicester won the FA 2 years ago so it's certainly possible for us. The issue is we so often seem to treat the cups like a secondary priority. We don't often seem to really put everything into the games. We need a manager who really fires the team up and goes strong to try and win them.

bbunc · Jun 3, 2023

The whole obsession with trophies these days is so dumb. It’s a relic of an era that most pundits were from where multiple teams actually had a chance to win.

City, Bayern, Madrid, Barca, Juve, PSG. If you play for those teams you win a trophy. Those teams will win the trophy whether you play for them or not. Anybody else it’s a lotto ticket / miracle.

if Kane moved to City and won trophies, the first thing the pundits would say after clamoring for Kane to go chase trophies is that it doesn’t really mean anything since City always win anyway.

im fine with whatever he does. He’s been great for us and the club was absolutely rudderless during his prime. So disappointing but easy to understand if he wants to be somewhere where it’s not so difficult just to stay in touching distance of 4th.

would be amazing if Madrid wanted to pay 115M for him.

ultimateloner · Jun 3, 2023

His motivation to move isn’t primarily for trophies and personal accolades. It’s for being able to work with higher level coaches and footballers.
He is more likely to learn something new at a new and better club. It’s important that you don’t go stale and with his contract situation this is his chance. His main reason for staying would be personal, like his family situation. However it’s likely that he has enough help around him to get over that.

robin09 · Jun 3, 2023

TheHoddleWaddle said:
I don't think Levy holds the cards here. Kane does. Knowing levy as we do, do you really think he'd sign off a 100m asset like kane, for the sake of a season? Different if we were pushing for champs league, but now?

I think, with the right amount of financial temptation he'll be off. Onions and all that.

Getting Benzema and Hazard off the books, certainly gives them enough financial clout to make a decent offer.

And if this is Levy’s chance to get Kane out of the PL for good, then maybe they come to an agreement. But I just don’t see it. I think the new manager will need Kane more than the transfer fee, and I think Levy needs the positive PR more than the transfer fee.
I could very well be wrong, we shall soon find out!

Phil_2.0 · Jun 4, 2023

I would take 60m if it meant Kane didn't go to another club in the PL

$hoguN · Jun 4, 2023

Would be madness to let him go and moreover it would be madness for him to move when he is so close to becoming the PL’s greatest ever goal scorer

glacierSpurs · Jun 4, 2023

danielneeds said:
The fact is the league cup may be possible, but the rest are swallowed up by City, and then the crumbs by Liverpool, Chelsea and United. We’re not realistic contenders in the foreseeable future.

If we meet them in a final, just play in our stadium :sneaky:

thelak · Jun 4, 2023

PCozzie said:
Again, this is to miss my point. It supposes that Kane regards any cup - whoever it is with - with the same level of importance. That a career simply boils down to how many pots he has on his mantlepiece.

Maybe he does, my thoughts were to what extent that will factor when he makes a decision whether to stay or leave. Whether he considers the struggle to finally win a cup with Spurs means the same as walking into (eg) The Etihad and almost being given a trophy a season, and whether there is some kind of tipping point after which he considers that his career will not be measured by how many trophies he wins overall, but whether he finally drags Spurs to just one.

There's a linked point to make about how individuals in a team sport are considered to have succeeded or failed depending on whether the team in which they played and formed an integral part managed to win anything of note, but that's for elsewhere.

No one is missing your point

you are missing theirs

considering he tried his hardest to force a move to City a couple of years ago I think there is enough evidence that winning something matters to him

there was a point when the struggle and winning something with spurs was a realistic scenario

it’s all about probabilities. The probability of winning something with spurs is arguably the lowest it’s ever been in his time in the first team given the state of our own squad and the relative strength of the league

Finchyid · Jun 4, 2023

hooty said:
I find the trophies talk from a lot of our fans quite strange to be honest. Some people have genuinely convinced themselves that winning and trophies are not the ultimate success in sport.

As for the 'guaranteed' trophies....I would say no club is guaranteed trophies. However, I'd fancy my chances of winning a trophy with Liverpool say....more than I would Southampton or West Ham. Similarly, statistically much more chance of a trophy at basically any of the other clubs....and that's before taking into account the fact we look likely to be going through an even more difficult period.

Man City 13 trophies in past 20 years (12 in past 10)- Last 2023
Liverpool 5 trophies in past 20 years (4 in past 10)- Last 2022
Man Utd 10 trophies in past 20 years (4 in past 10)- Last 2023
Arsenal 6 trophies in past 20 years (4 in past 10)- Last 2020
Chelsea 17 trophies in past 20 years (7 in past 10)- Last 2021
Tottenham 1 trophy in past 20 years (0 in past 10)- Last 2008

(Sadly) Spot the odd one out there.

West Ham?

Or is it Liverpool?

philip · Jun 4, 2023

InOffMeLeftShin said:
The only place that can pretty much guarantee a trophy in England is City. The only real option he has to move to is Utd but they really aren’t that good.

100%

With Haaland there, the PL is sewn up for the foreseeable future. Going to ManU's not going to get him more than a cup or two, and frankly, that's not exactly going to satisfy his need for trophies. Ledley King has a League cup, and no one cares.

Either way he's going to go down as one of the best strikers of any era. His only realistic chance of winning anything big is going abroad. His only realistic chance is going down in the history books is if he breaks Shearer's record, and although he may be able to do that marginally quicker at ManU, it's just as likely to backfire, with a different team and setup around him - and frankly not worth the risk uprooting his family.

He'll stay here two more reasons, get the record and then move abroad to win a big trophy.

I hope.

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