Gift Orban

Styopa · Aug 12, 2023

I don’t really buy the idea that now we’ve sold Kane the price goes up. A) Gent would have been aware we were negotiating to sell Kane anyway, B) They will be aware that nine times out of ten Levy moves onto cheaper targets if he isn’t happy with the price.

They can ask for more I suppose but what good is that if they end up selling him for less to someone else later in the window?

barry · Aug 12, 2023

Viking78 said:
Of course the price has gone up. They know we have £100m

No one's paying 40m for a kid with one year's experience in Belgium. 30m was generous imo. They'll come to that realisation, or keep him for another season in which he'll only have 1 year left on his contract, I believe.

THFC_SWE · Aug 12, 2023

I mean, we will proably not get a good striker for less than €40m anyway. And wages is also a factor. A player like Vlahovic will be more expensive and will probably have a higher wage. I'm not saying we are going for Vlahovic, it was just an example.

George94 · Aug 12, 2023

Derryank said:
Pardon my ignorance.. hasn't their been ITK telling us that Richy is our striker (#9) now?

Is Orban a winger or #9?

I’m expecting to see Richy and Son rotating as our strikers this season - I think Ange hinted as much in his press conference yesterday

Guarentee we’ll only sign another striker “if there’s a deal to be done”

And sounds like there isn’t quite a cheap deal to be done for Orban anymore

jonnyp · Aug 12, 2023

George94 said:
I’m expecting to see Richy and Son rotating as our strikers this season - I think Ange hinted as much in his press conference yesterday

Guarentee we’ll only sign another striker “if there’s a deal to be done”

And sounds like there isn’t quite a cheap deal to be done for Orban anymore

Son should never play as a striker centrally. His passing is poor and he cannot play with his back to goal to save his life.

Johnny J · Aug 12, 2023

Viking78 said:
Of course the price has gone up. They know we have £100m

That's not really how it works. We comfortably had enough money to buy him before, plus a lot more. The fact we've got a windfall from Kane doesn't mean we're gonna pay an extra £10m+ for someone with his profile.

mil1lion · Aug 12, 2023

It all has a knock on effect. The later you get into the window the higher the cost particularly for important players. That's why Kane wasn't sold earlier because we held firm on our price. So getting the extra for him covers the extra we might have to pay for other players. It's all factored into the selling. That's why we had to get our asking price for Kane knowing the costs in the market at this time.

Aleks · Aug 12, 2023

price of the gift gone up

Viking78 · Aug 12, 2023

Johnny J said:
That's not really how it works. We comfortably had enough money to buy him before, plus a lot more. The fact we've got a windfall from Kane doesn't mean we're gonna pay an extra £10m+ for someone with his profile.

There's already a premier league price.
Clubs will try and push the price up and try it on.
I don't think anyone will pay 40m for Orban right now. 25 more likely

George94 · Aug 12, 2023

jonnyp said:
Son should never play as a striker centrally. His passing is poor and he cannot play with his back to goal to save his life.

Celtic’s striker was about 5ft 7 and his whole game was about poaching and running in behind, if we need somebody to hold up the ball and play with his back to goal, that’s where we’ll use Richy and then eventually Veliz

BENNO · Aug 12, 2023

Styopa said:
I don’t really buy the idea that now we’ve sold Kane the price goes up. A) Gent would have been aware we were negotiating to sell Kane anyway, B) They will be aware that nine times out of ten Levy moves onto cheaper targets if he isn’t happy with the price.

They can ask for more I suppose but what good is that if they end up selling him for less to someone else later in the window?

Agree, and would add that Levy held out for a large chunk (£86m - 100m euros) of the fee up front, presumably to enable us to do deals more quickly and almost certainly for a better price than we would normally have had to pay if the fee was paid in installments.

Not sure if this deal needs to be done like that, but the recent ITK on the Juve players we liked, knowing they were in financial trouble, could easily be a deal/s that gets done quickly and pretty cheaply if we can give them a large sum of cash up front.

KingNick · Aug 12, 2023

Viking78 said:
Of course the price has gone up. They know we have £100m

Not sure any club in Europe hasn’t believed the deal was going to go through for a few weeks now. Even if they weren’t sure, the price they quoted us would always have assumed we’d be coming into money anyway.

WorthATry · Aug 12, 2023

To be fair, he did add this:

dirtyh · Aug 12, 2023

Hopefully we’re a lot further down the line and press is behind as usual.

yeah right, who am I trying to kid.

leelee · Aug 12, 2023

Bayern paid us 86m up front didn't they? Any fee we agree with another club for their players will be payable in installments over the length of contract.

Levy did well to squeeze that much as a lump sum out of Bayern.

Spursmatty87 · Aug 12, 2023

barry said:
No one's paying 40m for a kid with one year's experience in Belgium. 30m was generous imo. They'll come to that realisation, or keep him for another season in which he'll only have 1 year left on his contract, I believe.

have you seen some of the transfers this summer. £30m is pocket change.

1882andallthat · Aug 12, 2023

BENNO said:
Agree, and would add that Levy held out for a large chunk (£86m - 100m euros) of the fee up front, presumably to enable us to do deals more quickly and almost certainly for a better price than we would normally have had to pay if the fee was paid in installments.

Not sure if this deal needs to be done like that, but the recent ITK on the Juve players we liked, knowing they were in financial trouble, could easily be a deal/s that gets done quickly and pretty cheaply if we can give them a large sum of cash up front.

You had me there until I saw this bit which I've highlighted in bold.

I've got zero levels of trust and faith that this will happen now that Levy has got his grubby paws on a significant chunk of the Kane money.

On another potential striker to fill the extremely large hole left by Kane's departure, he will kick the tyres, mess potential sellers about, spend most of the remainder of he window pfaffing about seeing if he can shave a few quid here and there off the price that's been quoted come in with a low ball offer and settle on not necessarily the best option but one that he thinks he's got a good deal on, and it will be touch and go before the end of the window as to whether a deal will go through and, it will get to near collapsing because the seller had lost patience because he's attempted to renegotiate last minute terms by changing the goalposts at the last minute and if any deal splutters over the line by the skin of it's teeth, he will try to claim he's doing it all in the interests of the club. Meanwhile those said interests will not be served best for Ange and the fans during the first few games.....

Erm33 · Aug 12, 2023

Of course they're gonna ask for more. Doesn't mean they'll get it. Ultimately, its whether a club of their size/financial position would turn down 30m if its offered on the table by only 1 club.

TheAmerican · Aug 12, 2023

Think this is one where the player will need to pressure to leave for it to happen.

BENNO · Aug 12, 2023

1882andallthat said:
You had me there until I saw this bit which I've highlighted in bold.

I've got zero levels of trust and faith that this will happen now that Levy has got his grubby paws on a significant chunk of the Kane money.

On another potential striker to fill the extremely large hole left by Kane's departure, he will kick the tyres, mess potential sellers about, spend most of the remainder of he window pfaffing about seeing if he can shave a few quid here and there off the price that's been quoted come in with a low ball offer and settle on not necessarily the best option but one that he thinks he's got a good deal on, and it will be touch and go before the end of the window as to whether a deal will go through and, it will get to near collapsing because the seller had lost patience because he's attempted to renegotiate last minute terms by changing the goalposts at the last minute and if any deal splutters over the line by the skin of it's teeth, he will try to claim he's doing it all in the interests of the club. Meanwhile those said interests will not be served best for Ange and the fans during the first few games.....

Each to their own mate, but it must be pretty miserable for you and fans like you who continually think the absolute worst of your club ! We will see what happens but i don't see it like that at all, i'll continue to be positive until something happens to change my view, i think we'll continue to get Ange the players he wants - in his presser he seemed more than happy that the plan they've made is moving along nicely, that's good enough for me.

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