The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

Matrix · Sep 1, 2023

degoose said:
Is there a point to this thread. I see it at the top of the main chat constantly and it's just a bunch of people moaning the same old crap with the same old agenda.

What did you expect? Until he changes, this thread will be the status quo.

ItsBoris · Sep 1, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Perhaps, but signing players for the sake of just getting people in hasn't worked for us.

Still, the window hasn't closed yet. I still think we get a couple in. Still who is realistically available that improves us right now?

If we're properly run we should always know what players in global football would improve us or who we would want to sign. If we don't know that then we're already lost at sea from the get go.

I don't think we'll get anyone in. Clearly we've identified Brennan Johnson as someone who we think would be an improvement and fit our system, if we believe itk, but the deal is likely to fall through because Levy will over-negotiate. That's the main problem I'm talking about.

chas vs dave · Sep 1, 2023

ItsBoris said:
Idk what you mean by sold out their own people but Man City are hands down the best run club in the league. I'm not saying we have to be like them or spend as much as they do, but they spend well and consistently add good players to their squad. United and Chelsea spend a lot but with high failure rate. You can tell city do their due diligence on players, but once they identify a player who would be a solid addition to their squad they don't act like Levy and penny pinch over minor details or squabble over a couple million to the detriment of the deal getting done.

Easy to be the best run club, when you've spent 1.6 billion acquiring all the youth and top players. That's whilst allegedly paying people off the books.

All whilst your owners carpet bomb yemen.

chas vs dave · Sep 1, 2023

ItsBoris said:
If we're properly run we should always know what players in global football would improve us or who we would want to sign. If we don't know that then we're already lost at sea from the get go.

I don't think we'll get anyone in. Clearly we've identified Brennan Johnson as someone who we think would be an improvement and fit our system, if we believe itk, but the deal is likely to fall through because Levy will over-negotiate. That's the main problem I'm talking about.

Why is the deal likely to fail? Are we now second guessing?

It didn't fail in the last window with porro, despite everyone losing their shit over not getting him.

ItsBoris · Sep 1, 2023

Matrix said:
The Champions League Final was in spite of him...pretty sure that was the summer we didn’t buy anyone...and let’s not rewrite history here, we’re were very poor that season, because our squad needed freshening up.

Also remember, when we could have really pushed in the January window for ‘Arry, we got Louis Saha and Ryan Nelson on frees or relatively low outlay...safe to say we buckled and fell out out of the top 4.

There is a common pattern here with our esteemed Chairman, when we really need to push to break through the ceiling, this tool is the one not willing to help do that..

He’s done amazing with the stadium, and as I’ve said before, we are carrying on like Tottenham Hotspur Stadium PLC not Tottenham Hotspur Football Club..

Exactly and the same is true pretty much any time we're tapping on the door of success. Levy's thinking is "well everything's going great, no need for signings or any major outlay". Is that how any strong club operates? Man City just won the treble and they've signed Gvardiol, Kovacic, Doku, and probably Nunes. That's how a well run club acts.

ItsBoris · Sep 1, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Easy to be the best run club, when you've spent 1.6 billion acquiring all the youth and top players. That's whilst allegedly paying people off the books.

All whilst your owners carpet bomb yemen.

Not really actually, Chelsea have just spent a billion in 2 years (not 15) and they're still shit. United have also spent way more in the last decade if I'm not mistaken and still are rubbish. Look at all the money United wasted on players like Schweinsteiger, Mkhiraryan, Pogba, Lukaku, Maguire, Fred, Martial, Di Maria, and it's quite clear that it's not so simple as having piles of money to spend.

funkycoldmedina · Sep 1, 2023

It feels like Christmas Eve in here tonight - the night before the big meltdown.
Is everyone looking forward to it?.....1 more sleep

ItsBoris · Sep 1, 2023

funkycoldmedina said:
It feels like Christmas Eve in here tonight - the night before the big meltdown.
Is everyone looking forward to it?.....1 more sleep

It's like Santa comes and rather than gives presents, takes away your hopes and dreams.

chas vs dave · Sep 1, 2023

ItsBoris said:
Not really actually, Chelsea have just spent a billion in 2 years (not 15) and they're still shit. United have also spent way more in the last decade if I'm not mistaken and still are rubbish. Look at all the money United wasted on players like Schweinsteiger, Mkhiraryan, Pogba, Lukaku, Maguire, Fred, Martial, Di Maria, and it's quite clear that it's not so simple as having piles of money to spend.

No, it isn't. However, all things aren't equal. It's unreasonable to compare us to city, we haven't got state owned money. We also weren't given a stadium for free and lots of dodgy sponsorship deals.

One thing city do well is promote the youth. We haven't created a pathway and this is going to be a bigger problem for us in the long term.

Do we actually need more players? Only if they are going to improve the squad.

funkycoldmedina · Sep 1, 2023

ItsBoris said:
It's like Santa comes and rather than gives presents, takes away your hopes and dreams.

The Grinch

ItsBoris · Sep 1, 2023

chas vs dave said:
No, it isn't. However, all things aren't equal. It's unreasonable to compare us to city, we haven't got state owned money. We also weren't given a stadium for free and lots of dodgy sponsorship deals.

One thing city do well is promote the youth. We haven't created a pathway and this is going to be a bigger problem for us in the long term.

Do we actually need more players? Only if they are going to improve the squad.

Let's focus on this point. Of course we do, is the answer to the question. For the 2nd point, it's not like we have Barca's 2011 team right now. If we can't identify players anywhere in the world who can improve this mediocre team then we've got bigger problems than I thought.

Ofc it's not that, it's that Levy nickles and dimes it so that we often lose out on players we know would improve us.

robotsonic · Sep 1, 2023

ItsBoris said:
Idk what you mean by sold out their own people but Man City are hands down the best run club in the league. I'm not saying we have to be like them or spend as much as they do, but they spend well and consistently add good players to their squad. United and Chelsea spend a lot but with high failure rate. You can tell city do their due diligence on players, but once they identify a player who would be a solid addition to their squad they don't act like Levy and penny pinch over minor details or squabble over a couple million to the detriment of the deal getting done.

OK, well I'm not about to go into the ills of how the Emirati states operate because it's been done to death, but suffice to say that they're the kind of people that I mean when they've sold out their own people.

It's a lot easier to be the best run club in the league when you don't have to ever worry about where the money comes from both in the past, present and the future. They're not having to run sustainably, because they broke the way that the football industry should work for their own benefit, and to the detriment of 99% of the clubs in the world. We should all be upset at the way they operate, always, if you care about football as a competitve endeavour.

If people are ragging on the way we're run and jealously comparing us to Man City then we may as well all give up as the game's gone.

chas vs dave · Sep 1, 2023

ItsBoris said:
Let's focus on this point. Of course we do, is the answer to the question. For the 2nd point, it's not like we have Barca's 2011 team right now. If we can't identify players anywhere in the world who can improve this mediocre team then we've got bigger problems than I thought.

Ofc it's not that, it's that Levy nickles and dimes it so that we often lose out on players we know would improve us.

Is this team mediocre now?

Am I living in an alternate universe where we've looked terrible this season?

Matrix · Sep 1, 2023

ItsBoris said:
Exactly and the same is true pretty much any time we're tapping on the door of success. Levy's thinking is "well everything's going great, no need for signings or any major outlay". Is that how any strong club operates? Man City just won the treble and they've signed Gvardiol, Kovacic, Doku, and probably Nunes. That's how a well run club acts.

Agreed! During peak Poch, any pundit would be saying “they got the best 11 out there, who would you get to replace them?” And I honestly think Dan the man swallowed those sentiments down whole...Even when we NEEDED competition for spots, we never got them. I genuinely think he expected them not to be in decline and somehow recapture that high level.

ItsBoris · Sep 1, 2023

robotsonic said:
OK, well I'm not about to go into the ills of how the Emirati states operate because it's been done to death, but suffice to say that they're the kind of people that I mean when they've sold out their own people.

It's a lot easier to be the best run club in the league when you don't have to ever worry about where the money comes from both in the past, present and the future. They're not having to run sustainably, because they broke the way that the football industry should work for their own benefit, and to the detriment of 99% of the clubs in the world. We should all be upset at the way they operate, always, if you care about football as a competitve endeavour.

If people are ragging on the way we're run and jealously comparing us to Man City then we may as well all give up as the game's gone.

all that can be absolutely true, and you can still learn from what they’ve done well. Idk why people have a hard time with nuance. Their owners are war criminals, and they’re also the best run club in the league. These aren’t things that contradict each other.

ItsBoris · Sep 1, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Is this team mediocre now?

Am I living in an alternate universe where we've looked terrible this season?

3 games in looks promising, but based on last entire season we are a mediocre team at present.

Matrix · Sep 1, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Why is the deal likely to fail? Are we now second guessing?

It didn't fail in the last window with porro, despite everyone losing their shit over not getting him.

Cannot deny he does though. It’s well documented, and why clubs don’t really like to deal with us.

Matrix · Sep 1, 2023

Remember that Chairman of Palace? Ron Nodes? He decided he would become a coach/manger....Levy hasn’t reached his final form yet.

cliff jones · Sep 1, 2023

Apologists need to focus on the scum, our closest rivals, not the doped clubs. We don’t compare well at all.

He really needs to get a couple of deals over the line for Ange tomorrow.

Led's Zeppelin · Sep 1, 2023

ItsBoris said:
all that can be absolutely true, and you can still learn from what they’ve done well. Idk why people have a hard time with nuance. Their owners are war criminals, and they’re also the best run club in the league. These aren’t things that contradict each other.

Yes, they do contradict themselves. Because you can’t be the best run club when you have no regard for the rules of the game you’re supposed to be playing, break them consistently and employ teams of lawyers specifically to obfuscate, delay and reap the benefits of pouring filthy money into the club without any regard for the integrity of the game itself.

If that is being “well run”, I prefer not to be well run and to remember the rules. Because without adherence to rules, football isn’t a sport any more.

I have no admiration for the club that along with CFC have done more to wreck our game in this country than any other.

None of this is a defence of Levy.

But we should refuse to be blinded into praising the cheats: it invalidates our arguments for a better run club.

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