Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

14/04/91 · Nov 26, 2023

agrdavidsfan said:
Maybe, but I’d forgive him if he had thrown Dorrington in but we all know with Davies what we get an average footballer doing dumb average things

He sees Dorrington in training and knows much better than you, me & everyone else on here how close he is to the first team.

And throwing a kid in to a makeshift back 4 isn’t brave, it’s reckless.
Say Watkins takes him apart and we lose 5-1, what does that do for the lad’s confidence? Oh and leave him in next week against Haaland?

I’m sure Ange didn’t choose to go into the season with this centre half situation but I ain’t criticising him for thinking long term, especially when it comes to a youngsters suitability.

For the love of Spurs · Nov 26, 2023

WiganSpur said:
History tells us we'll get a single CB from the bargain basement and we'll all have to pray the new recruitment team performs a miracle working under Levy's constraints.

If we continue to do that Ange will leave at some point and will be another manager who is successful at every club he manages bar Spurs.

This time unlike negative Jose or Conte we will lose a proper gem. The club might have made a brilliant move appointing this guy but it won’t lead anywhere without us backing the manager properly in a way we often fail badly to do.

McFlash · Nov 26, 2023

cjbyid said:
Expecting a loss next week and probably Newcastle too although at least for Newcastle we'll have Romero back.

Just hope fans don't start turning on him.

From what I've seen on SC so far, there are some already preparing their speeches because some people just live for "internet points".

There will be plenty who didn't want him to start with, or who just love to moan for the sake of it, who will be straining at the leash to let loose with their negativity.

They won't look at the squad we've got, the impressive change in both style and mindset in such a short space of time, nor do they seem to have any appreciation of how much we've improved both as a team and as a fan bases attitude.

They'll moan if we play Dier, or moan if we don't. They'll moan if we don't throw the kids in but will moan if we do and they fuck up.

Basically, some people are dicks and just love to complain about stuff, whatever happens.
Some people just can't appreciate the little things (or gains) in life.

Sp3akerboxxx · Nov 26, 2023

Same as any manager or player, you have to give them a year to get acclimatised.

Don't expect them to pull up trees immediately.

He needs a year to judge the squad and make some changes.

So I don't really care if he loses 6 games in row this season.

Now, if he loses 6 games in a row next season.... that's when you start thinking about making a change.

Sp3akerboxxx · Nov 26, 2023

McFlash said:
From what I've seen on SC so far, there are some already preparing their speeches because some people just live for "internet points".

There will be plenty who didn't want him to start with, or who just love to moan for the sake of it, who will be straining at the leash to let loose with their negativity.

They won't look at the squad we've got, the impressive change in both style and mindset in such a short space of time, not do they seem to have any appreciation of how much we've improved both as a team and as a fan bases attitude.

They'll moan if we play Dier, or moan if we don't. They'll moan if we don't throw the kids in but will moan if we do and they fuck up.

Basically, some people are dicks and just love to complain about stuff, whatever happens.
Some people just can't appreciate the little things (or gains) in life.

There is always a middle ground.

You should be able to discuss some things you find questionable.

Otherwise it's not really a football 'forum'.

I don't think he has made a glaring error outside of letting Udogie come out for the second half against Chelsea.

That was a stupid decision, and you should be allowed to discuss that.

Cambridge Spur · Nov 26, 2023

Just back from the game and I’m absolutely gutted. We created enough chances to win that game 3 times over. They weren’t half chances either, it’s the first time I’ve really missed Kane. I know we’re short at the back but I think we need a truly top class striker, I’m just not convinced by our attacking options. The football was scintillating at times but you can’t miss the chances we did today.

TOLBINY · Nov 26, 2023

mil1lion said:
Imagine we had as many key players out last season though

In the first half of least season, with the exception of Romero, Conte's first choice defensive options are now Ange's second / third choice, and we have seen in the last few games what that means. Defensively, "key players" for Conte would have been Emerson, Dier, Lenglet (who can't get a start at Villa) and Davies - it's an under appreciated achievement that he got us and kept us in 4th place.

McFlash · Nov 26, 2023

Sp3akerboxxx said:
There is always a middle ground.

You should be able to discuss some things you find questionable.

Otherwise it's not really a football 'forum'.

I don't think he has made a glaring error outside of letting Udogie come out for the second half against Chelsea.

That was a stupid decision, and you should be allowed to discuss that.

Oh of course, he's made some questionable decision and that's prime for discussion, as long as it's understood that he's still learning who he can rely on and what certain players will bring, or detract, from the game.

We've all been here long enough to know who isn't good enough but Ange is new and has to strike a balance.
He can't just go binning off experienced pros because of what's happened before, he's got to make up his own mind and I trust him to make the right call.

Discussion is fine and no manager is above criticism, I just get the sense that there are some on here itching to wade in with a whole "I told you so" perspective.
They've been kept at bay by us having the kind of start that nobody expected
But now there's been a dip, they are just gagging to tell us all about it and how they were right all along.

Personally, I'm not convinced by some of the subs he's made but then I look at the bench and the options he actually has, and it's kind of hard to level too much criticism at him just yet.
He's had one window and what? Nearly four months in charge?

I'd say that the change (as a club) has been remarkable so far but he's not a miracle worker, he can only do so much.

Shanks · Nov 26, 2023

Sp3akerboxxx said:
Same as any manager or player, you have to give them a year to get acclimatised.

Don't expect them to pull up trees immediately.

He needs a year to judge the squad and make some changes.

So I don't really care if he loses 6 games in row this season.

Now, if he loses 6 games in a row next season.... that's when you start thinking about making a change.

Actually he is better than needing a year to know if he has the players. He already knows.

unfortunately he is stuck with them until next few windows.

man’s he knows it ain’t gonna. Change in one window, but several.

Its a whole philosophy and culture that’s being changed

McFlash · Nov 26, 2023

Shanks said:
Its a whole philosophy and culture that’s being changed

And the speed that's changed so far has been nothing short of remarkable.

I don't think any reasonable fan expected things to improve as fast as they have, shit, many were saying this season was something of a free hit.
But now we've lost a few in a row, some people are beginning to lose sight of the bigger picture.

We'll lose a few more games yet this season but the lessons learnt by those players that remain by next summer will be invaluable.

It's the rebuild we've been crying out for, so the least we fans can do is show a little patience.

Frank Blank · Nov 26, 2023

McFlash said:
From what I've seen on SC so far, there are some already preparing their speeches because some people just live for "internet points".

There will be plenty who didn't want him to start with, or who just love to moan for the sake of it, who will be straining at the leash to let loose with their negativity.

They won't look at the squad we've got, the impressive change in both style and mindset in such a short space of time, nor do they seem to have any appreciation of how much we've improved both as a team and as a fan bases attitude.

They'll moan if we play Dier, or moan if we don't. They'll moan if we don't throw the kids in but will moan if we do and they fuck up.

Basically, some people are dicks and just love to complain about stuff, whatever happens.
Some people just can't appreciate the little things (or gains) in life.

Well quite. When I saw the team news - with Emerson playing alongside Davies - I spent much of the match hiding behind the settee.

McFlash · Nov 26, 2023

Frank Blank said:
Well quite. When I saw the team news - with Emerson playing alongside Davies - I spent much of the match hiding behind the settee.

And looking at the options he had, that would probably have been the most popular pairing, going by what I read on here.
And fair dues to those two, they actually did pretty well and had our forwards had their boots on the right feet, we would/should have won that game comfortably.

I'm taking a lot of solace in the fact that while we may be losing games at present, it's fine margins and we've been unlucky. By no means are we being outplayed.
There was the "experiment" with a rather drab midfield the other week, resulting in a complete lack of creativity but Ange is new here, he's got to learn what his squad can give him and he seems to learn quite quickly so far.

dbspurs · Nov 26, 2023

Frank Blank said:
Well quite. When I saw the team news - with Emerson playing alongside Davies - I spent much of the match hiding behind the settee.

Which is what we will all be doing next week against City

I dont think we can judge him too much this season. I love the way he sets us up to get at every opposition but unfortunately he has been hamstrung by the previous 4 seasons of transfers.

Average players who have stunk out the ground for several seasons are his back ups and, Lo Celso aside, they have all shown their arse in the last 2 games.

If he is the coach I think he is then has learned more in the last 3 games than he learned in the first 10.

mil1lion · Nov 26, 2023

TOLBINY said:
In the first half of least season, with the exception of Romero, Conte's first choice defensive options are now Ange's second / third choice, and we have seen in the last few games what that means. Defensively, "key players" for Conte would have been Emerson, Dier, Lenglet (who can't get a start at Villa) and Davies - it's an under appreciated achievement that he got us and kept us in 4th place.

So how do you think we would have done selling Kane last summer? It's clear the football we play now is far superior to what Conte had. I do think Conte did well to finish 4th but last season we were terrible. I don't think he wanted to replace Dier or Hojbjerg though. He wanted a left centre back to replace Davies and a right wing back which he got in January. I don't think he was missing that much of what he wanted with Udogie coming in the sunmer. He didn't play Sarr much and we see how bad a mistake that was. He didn't start Bissouma enough and we see how bad a mistake that was. He didn't get the best out of the best players we had. How Ange had us playing today with half our best team was better than any football we played under Conte even with our best 11. Kane carried his team a lot and we would be truly fucked if we sold him the way we were playing.

synththfc · Nov 26, 2023

The only thing I didn’t understand today was the Skipp for Gil sub when we were down a goal. Made no sense when we have Donley, a naturally attack minded midfielder, on the bench as well.

That’s a little thing, though. All in all I am in love with the way we play and on another day we score 6 without our first choice midfield or centre half pairing.

matty74 · Nov 26, 2023

synththfc said:
The only thing I didn’t understand today was the Skipp for Gil sub when we were down a goal. Made no sense when we have Donley, a naturally attack minded midfielder, on the bench as well.

That’s a little thing, though. All in all I am in love with the way we play and on another day we score 6 without our first choice midfield or centre half pairing.

Agree that was a frustrating conte type substitution. If we were 2-11pm then yeah I’m having that . But chasing a game and bringing skipp on is just daft

McFlash · Nov 26, 2023

matty74 said:
Agree that was a frustrating conte type substitution. If we were 2-11pm then yeah I’m having that . But chasing a game and bringing skipp on is just daft

I also agree but have to think most previous managers have highly rated Skipp and Ange really hasn't seen much of him yet, so kinda understand why he wanted to give him a chance.
I also think some of his late game subs have been too defensive but then, he doesn't really have many options available and he's got to give the more senior players a chance to prove themselves, one way or another.

I'm desperate to see Donley given a run out but that's entirely from the perspective of a fan wanting to find the next star youth product but maybe he's just not ready to be thrown into men's footie just yet?
I think we'll start seeing a lot more of Gio after today and who knows, maybe a bit of Donley too.
I don't think it takes Ange long to decide if a player is up to scratch or not.

Frank Blank · Nov 26, 2023

14/04/91 said:
He sees Dorrington in training and knows much better than you, me & everyone else on here how close he is to the first team.

And throwing a kid in to a makeshift back 4 isn’t brave, it’s reckless.
Say Watkins takes him apart and we lose 5-1, what does that do for the lad’s confidence? Oh and leave him in next week against Haaland?

I’m sure Ange didn’t choose to go into the season with this centre half situation but I ain’t criticising him for thinking long term, especially when it comes to a youngsters suitability.

Exactly. Squad depth is a problem we've had for donkey's years. Now I'm not saying we need to have a secod tier just below our first team, but what I do despair at is that if we lose three or four players we're staring into an abyss in terms of their replacements.

What's so bloody frustrating is that if we could have put out our strongest team today we'd have murdered Villa. Alas we couldn't and are paying the price for it. Either Levy goes full balls in to replace the dead wood we need to get rid of or we'll be proverbially fucked and hostages to the next set of injuries.

dagraham · Nov 26, 2023

glacierSpurs said:
Levy is the crucial one now leading to the window. If he does know football, he should have know what better players can do for Ange.

Where is the optimistic rating when you need it?

mil1lion · Nov 26, 2023

Bringing Skipp on allowed Kulusevski to be more effective in his best position and Johnson showed more when he went to the left. It's not always as simple as throwing another attacker on. He did bring a forward on for an attacking midfielder though. I think brining on an 8 was needed but Skipp is all we have left for that position. If we started with Maddison, Bentancur and Bissouma and then brought on Sarr I doubt much would be made of it. We needed fresh legs in midfield and still had 2 wide attackers and 2 forwards with 2 attacking fullbacks. Plenty enough to get the goals needed.

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