Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

UncleBuck · Dec 28, 2023

Legacy said:
Leaving aside the choice in starting lineup etc, he seriously needs to do something about the decision making of the players on the pitch. We seem to have the stupidest team in the league, it seems like whenever we've dropped points in the last few weeks, it's because somebody on the pitch has decided to make a completely brainless decision. Kulusevski's shirt pull was ridiculous, and now means we're down another player for the next game. Not even a one off either, he got away with a very similar pull against Everton, which could have easily been a penalty. Then we have Lo Celso trying to win a ball by tackling through the back of a player in the penalty box. Red cards, careless passes, bookings for dissent etc.

We're regularly shooting ourselves in the foot and he needs to hold the players more accountable than he seems to, at least if you believe his comments in interviews.

What’s he meant to do about the XI’s decision making on the pitch when we’ve generally been like that for the last twenty odd years bar a season or two under Poch.
He’s been in post for six months, he’s got half his team missing and he’s playing square pegs in round holes with some of them players knowing they are surplus to requirements moving forward.
The guy can’t win at the moment

Hazelton · Dec 28, 2023

Whatever happens, Ange will be a different and even better manager after this season. Give him different, better players and hopefully we'll really see something special.

HildoSpur · Dec 28, 2023

Trix said:
And that's fine. If Ange is happy to drop points in order to drill his system into the players for the greater good long term I'm all for that. If that's the case though, play players who in the long term need to learn it because they have a future in that role they are being drilled to play.

Like I say I'm easy as to whether he tweaks the tactics slightly or he changes the personnel. I don't really care which, but keeping both of them the same is a recipe for disaster.

Well it's a balancing act isn't it. He clearly wants to win and pick up as many points as possible whilst also instilling a clear philosophy and way to play. I am sure he is not happy to drop points and hence why he is playing experienced international players who might not suit the system ahead of academy kids who have barely had any minutes of top level football.

Mr Pink · Dec 28, 2023

HildoSpur said:
Well it's a balancing act isn't it. He clearly wants to win and pick up as many points as possible whilst also instilling a clear philosophy and way to play. I am sure he is not happy to drop points and hence why he is playing experienced international players who might not suit the system ahead of academy kids who have barely had any minutes of top level football.

Agree.

Its not as black or white, or as simple as that.

Its a result based business, and Im sure Ange is trying to strike that balance.

Team selection for Sunday will be very interesting though.

EastUpperDK82 · Dec 28, 2023

So... how many players does Ange have left for the next games/weeks/january ? ... I've lost count...

...

Mr Pink · Dec 28, 2023

Anybody think he"ll bring Dier in for one last go lol

Trix · Dec 28, 2023

HildoSpur said:
Well it's a balancing act isn't it. He clearly wants to win and pick up as many points as possible whilst also instilling a clear philosophy and way to play. I am sure he is not happy to drop points and hence why he is playing experienced international players who might not suit the system ahead of academy kids who have barely had any minutes of top level football.

Well whatever the reason it doesn't work. The longer they get 0 minutes the longer we are stuck with this same back line which again doesn't work. Are the kids the answer? I don't know, but I'm very very certain the Emerson and Davies partnership isn't.

JayB · Dec 28, 2023

spurs9 said:
Ave goals per game conceded with VdV on the pitch - 0.95

Ave goals per game conceded with Romero on the pitch - 0.85

Ave goals per game conceded with both VdV & Romero on the pitch - 0.72

Ave goals per game conceded with neither VdV & Romero on the pitch - 2.11

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but I think we might need another quality CB.

Selling Sanchez after we knew we couldn't replace him was absolute fucking madness. Whether you agree with the decisions he's made or not, the fact is that Ange has no good options at the moment.

Dier is woefully ill-suited to this tactical setup, and although I agree with the calls to bring Phillips or Dorrington into the team, I can also understand why Ange has been reluctant to do so. We are unbelievably open without VdV/Romero, and a teenage defender can have his confidence absolutely shattered by coming into a side that is leaking goals. It's not as risky to play inexperienced players in other positions, so I'm not sure that the youngsters that the likes of Newcastle and Brighton have used are apples-to-apples comparisons. We still need a change, but we're playing with these young lads' futures by throwing them into the deep end.

The worst part of the whole situation is that we left ourselves massively short in order to save a few quid, and in the end it may cost us loads of points and not save us anything at all. If you were the chairman of Genoa or Nice, would you not tack £10m onto the asking price for Dragusin or Todibo? We've gone five matches and collected not a single fucking point without our only two senior CBs that suit Ange's footbal. We've left ourselves utterly fucking desperate, it's hard to imagine that selling clubs won't take full advantage.

The whole thing is a fucking shambles.

Trix · Dec 28, 2023

Mr Pink said:
Anybody think he"ll bring Dier in for one last go lol

I'd rather see him than Emerson tbh.

That's not an attack on Emerson btw, I've seen a few slagging him off in the match thread and it's a bit like shouting at your GP because they can't do root canal surgery.

only1waddle · Dec 28, 2023

Mr Pink said:
Anybody think he"ll bring Dier in for one last go lol

A bit of pointing just for old times sake...

SpursForever71 · Dec 28, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Emerson was ok against West Ham and Man City but he was brutally exposed back there with Davies today, PEH was shocking too but the whole team just wasn’t at it.

It happens but Ange needed to change it at half time.

Completely agree, i couldnt believe no changes were made at half time - only when we went 3-0 down

Athenspur · Dec 28, 2023

As if a team with four full backs, four wingers and virtually no midfield was ever going to beat this well-drilled Brighton team. No changes at half-time either. No matter how many players we were missing, being so badly outcoached was embarrassing. Tactics-wise, the stubbornness on this man is something else.

Mr Pink · Dec 28, 2023

JayB said:
Selling Sanchez after we knew we couldn't replace him was absolute fucking madness. Whether you agree with the decisions he's made or not, the fact is that Ange has no good options at the moment.

Dier is woefully ill-suited to this tactical setup, and although I agree with the calls to bring Phillips or Dorrington into the team, I can also understand why Ange has been reluctant to do so. We are unbelievably open without VdV/Romero, and a teenage defender can have his confidence absolutely shattered by coming into a side that is leaking goals. It's not as risky to play inexperienced players in other positions, so I'm not sure that the youngsters that the likes of Newcastle and Brighton have used are apples-to-apples comparisons. We still need a change, but we're playing with these young lads' futures by throwing them into the deep end.

The worst part of the whole situation is that we left ourselves massively short in order to save a few quid, and in the end it may cost us loads of points and not save us anything at all. If you were the chairman of Genoa or Nice, would you not tack £10m onto the asking price for Dragusin or Todibo? We've left ourselves utterly fucking desperate, it's hard to imagine that selling clubs won't take full advantage.

The whole thing is a fucking shambles.

I remember being shocked when we sold Sanchez late on with no one coming in.

I thought we'll pay for that.

Now I know Sanchez was far from the complete CB, but he did have some bright spells....and he's a lot better than the current options

agrdavidsfan · Dec 28, 2023

Trix said:
Same old same old. Criticise anything Ange= "obviously has an agenda".

It’s what I don’t get why can’t we call him out when he gets it wrong this blind faith is a dangerous game, he had 3 Centre backs on the bench one of them is probably going to be a generational talent, that we will be lucky to still have at the club in two years as he isn’t getting chances. THEN he still persists with playing a player there who isn’t a great right back not alone a great centre half if he played the kids I wouldn’t be mad at him as he’s been brave which he says his philosophy is I don’t think it is at the moment I think it’s naivety.

JayB · Dec 28, 2023

Mr Pink said:
I remember being shocked when we sold Sanchez late on with no one coming in.

I thought we'll pay for that.

Now I know Sanchez was far from the complete CB, but he did have some bright spells....and he's a lot better than the current options

I said the same thing -- it was a massive gamble and we're paying the price now.

Sanchez had played very well in preseason and had the physical attributes to succeed in Ange's setup, unlike Dier. He is a very inconsistent player and it is entirely possible that, even if we'd kept him, he'd have gone through a run of poor form when we needed him. But he was also capable of runs good form and would have been by far our best option currently.

only1waddle · Dec 28, 2023

Mr Pink said:
I remember being shocked when we sold Sanchez late on with no one coming in.

I thought we'll pay for that.

Now I know Sanchez was far from the complete CB, but he did have some bright spells....and he's a lot better than the current options

Or the £4m to pay Dier off, I know it goes on FFP but it seems once again penny safe pound foolish.

HildoSpur · Dec 28, 2023

Trix said:
Well whatever the reason it doesn't work. The longer they get 0 minutes the longer we are stuck with this same back line which again doesn't work. Are the kids the answer? I don't know, but I'm very very certain the Emerson and Davies partnership isn't.

It didn't work tonight but the defence was only part of the issue, our forward line was hopeless and squandered numerous good positions which should have been goals. Davies has proven to be generally solid as centre back and has at times been superb, Emerson struggles at times but he also is a capable player just out of position. I'd like to see Phillips get a run out as much as anyone else but I'm not getting my knickers in a twist if he doesn't right now because I trust the manager to make the right call. I don't see the young players in training, I've no idea if they are better than Emerson right now.

soflapaul · Dec 28, 2023

RuskyM said:
Happy to be proven wrong here but I thought Brighton's chances came from our defenders simply not closing down properly/making rash choices rather than the high line.

Midfielders and forwards tracking back late or ball watching was a big problem

only1waddle · Dec 28, 2023

agrdavidsfan said:
It’s what I don’t get why can’t we call him out when he gets it wrong this blind faith is a dangerous game, he had 3 Centre backs on the bench one of them is probably going to be a generational talent, that we will be lucky to still have at the club in two years as he isn’t getting chances. THEN he still persists with playing a player there who isn’t a great right back not alone a great centre half if he played the kids I wouldn’t be mad at him as he’s been brave which he says his philosophy is I don’t think it is at the moment I think it’s naivety.

There's criticism and then there's blaming him for things you're making up, two years in advance.

HildoSpur · Dec 28, 2023

agrdavidsfan said:
It’s what I don’t get why can’t we call him out when he gets it wrong this blind faith is a dangerous game, he had 3 Centre backs on the bench one of them is probably going to be a generational talent, that we will be lucky to still have at the club in two years as he isn’t getting chances. THEN he still persists with playing a player there who isn’t a great right back not alone a great centre half if he played the kids I wouldn’t be mad at him as he’s been brave which he says his philosophy is I don’t think it is at the moment I think it’s naivety.

Eh? Generational talent? What

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