AnotherSpursFan
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Poch should issue a media ban to all the players, no more interviews. Its embarassing to hear Winks and Kane after a victory bigging themselves up as the best team in the world.
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Poch has always built the team around a solid middle, Dembele and Dier/Wanyama. Looks like Ndombele will replace Dembele given time, but it’s the other more defensive player that is currently missing. Strange as both players are still at the club but either injuries or poor form are stopping them from being selected.
It’s the one position I was disappointed we didn’t add to in the summer
It’s the one position I was disappointed we didn’t add to in the summer
glacierSpurs
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Agree. And he's proven in the league. Allegri is not. Afraid he might be another de Boer.
shelfboy68
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Don't think anyone wants poch gone but I can't see where he is going to turn it around from with the team now conceding nearly two goals a game along with strange decisions and his own general mood seems to have changed as well.
Can't help thinking we are probably 1/2 bad results away from delaying the inevitable when is the next international break.
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For once only saw tidbits of the game, but what i did see was an Even game.
Leicester are a good side. Looking at the fixtures preseason, this is one of the matches i max predicted a draw.
ON to the next, keep working. I still believe Poch has a plan Long term, with New blood the 2 next windows and a new formation/setup being part of that. I also still believe the first 6 months has to be about staying in the CL and in touch with the TOP 4. When New signing are bedded in COM maybe late oct/nov, we Will look better. I still expect us to be in the TOP 4 and at least close to going through our CL group by then
Leicester are a good side. Looking at the fixtures preseason, this is one of the matches i max predicted a draw.
ON to the next, keep working. I still believe Poch has a plan Long term, with New blood the 2 next windows and a new formation/setup being part of that. I also still believe the first 6 months has to be about staying in the CL and in touch with the TOP 4. When New signing are bedded in COM maybe late oct/nov, we Will look better. I still expect us to be in the TOP 4 and at least close to going through our CL group by then
I thought we started well and Aurier’s goal should not have been ruled no goal by VAR. IMO it is getting ridiculous when VAR is ruling out such goals. Several players seemed to tire just after halftime particularly Lamela who should have come off much earlier. Where is Dier ? Has he retired ?
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I think it's the third best yeah, looking ahead we know we're going to need a new back 4, because our 2 centre backs look like they want to get the fuck out, Vertonghen who just days before the season was saying how much he loved it here but has now been subjected to Poch's ingenious man management. Our left back who he tried to force out but now is starting every game for some bizarre reason.
Don't tell me that's because no one else was fit, because if so what was his masterplan if Rose had agreed to go to Watford?
That midfield 2 won't be our first choice, but one of his new signings us slugging it round the pitch completely gassed after 30 mins, despite a full "Poch" pre-season, and the other is crocked, but that doesn't really matter as we'd be being told he's not up to our elite physical standards until Easter 2021 anyway so not actually missing out on anything...
Honestly, just as it looked like we night have turned a corner with the Palace game, he can't help himself but come out with some bullshit in the press to deflect away from his own shortcomings.
Yes, the squad is good enough to be competing at the top, it's just being horrendously mismanaged right now. I don't know why but he's completely lost the plot, it's a shame but stop clinging on to the guy that gave us a couple of years of attractive and effective football, he's gone.
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Have you got a source to confirm that he's gone?
dudu
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Absolutely this. Rose has been appalling. Offers nothing either end of the pitch.
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I wish I could winner this a million times.
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You think he's anything like the guy he was 2 seasons ago?
mike_l
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But he's dead good at looking like he's gonna start a fight any second.
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I'm not defending how we're playing or the inconsistency but do you think that Levy is about to sack him?
hellava_tough
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And then there's the head-scratcher of where to fit Winks in (who btw, I thought played really well yesterday).
If he doesn't develop into a more defensively minded player, then do you drop him for a genuine pivot (presuming a 4-2-3-1 and NDombele as the other in the '2')?
But then again, that would be a real waste of Winks' talent.
I do wonder whether our downturn in form is linked to the types of players - very talented players at that - in the side and Poch wrestling with how to get the best out of them, in the best system.
An elite sports coach needs a very clear idea on strategy/tactics and needs to be incredibly ruthless with the personnel used to execute this strategy. With all the talk of favourites and a lack of playing style and tactics, it looks like Poch has lost his way a little bit in this area.
hellava_tough
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I think that's a bit over the top.
To be quite honest, none of the players in our squad are that bad; they're all decent enough PL footballers and the majority of them would get into the first XIs of most of the other teams in the league.
The issue we have is that we want to compete at the very highest level now, so we need that next level of player...or decent enough players, but coached into a rich vein of form, told to do a specific job that they then go and do well.
But to say that the likes of Rose is appalling and offers nothing is ridiculous.
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I am rarely so dismissive of any player. Perhaps appalling is over the top, but he isn't far off at the moment.
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Don't get me wrong, I think we could definitely upgrade both full back positions AND Rose has dipped in form compared to a couple of seasons ago.
I just think he's a solid enough PL left back now, when you compare him to other left backs in the league.
The reason I replied to your post is because I've been thinking about talent levels in players and fans' expectations, for a while now. I was half considering to start a separate thread on it to get some discussion going.
Basically, I think what makes a player is raw talent, form and the "specific job" that he's asked to do.
On that last area, what I mean here is that sometimes players are asked to do a specific job for the team, which could be fairly limited, but they do it really well. It's why sometimes you get fairly average players in really good sides, who don't look out of place; they've got one job to do and they just get on and do it, without much fuss.
Anyway, I'm rambling now...
...but it is an interesting discussion topic, because it's at the heart of coaching and team building.6 Serie A titles? Whatever happens, he’ll certainly not be another De Boer. Completely different level
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This has gone missing somewhat in this squad.Don't get me wrong, I think we could definitely upgrade both full back positions AND Rose has dipped in form compared to a couple of seasons ago.
I just think he's a solid enough PL left back now, when you compare him to other left backs in the league.
The reason I replied to your post is because I've been thinking about talent levels in players and fans' expectations, for a while now. I was half considering to start a separate thread on it to get some discussion going.
Basically, I think what makes a player is raw talent, form and the "specific job" that he's asked to do.
On that last area, what I mean here is that sometimes players are asked to do a specific job for the team, which could be fairly limited, but they do it really well. It's why sometimes you get fairly average players in really good sides, who don't look out of place; they've got one job to do and they just get on and do it, without much fuss.
Anyway, I'm rambling now...
Nothing wrong with it if Rose is just asked to defend. Same with Winks just doing his job if those around him do theirs. Just lately, the Palace game withstanding, the 11 on the pitch look regularly disjointed (obviously that's one mans uninformed opinion but ... ) Sometimes a starting 11 has to be greater than the sum of it's parts - that's football.
That’s a fair point but I can never understand a player not taking pride in his own performance and commitment levels first and foremost, irrelevant of what he thinks of his manager.
It’s inidicative of the type of player we have at the club and gives the biggest clue as to why we haven’t won anything. Top players perform despite off field issues. Our lot seem to almost revel in any sort of turbulence off the pitch, it gives them an excuse as to why they can’t hold on to leads/see games over the line etc
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