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Liamyid28

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They aren't slagging Poch off, they are passing on what their players are saying is happening/being said. In my case anyway.

People have to remember this isn't something that's just happened it's been building and picking up pace for a long time.

The players are low on confidence and have a lack of belief in what they are being asked to do. This brings doubt on the pitch and it's impossible to play like a coherent team.
These players that have won fuck all for this club and bottle every semi and final we’ve been in can all fuck off then. Disgrace the lot of em.
 

Hercules

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He needs to be brave (his words) if he is given the chance. He needs to honestly ostracise the players that wants to go, like Eriksen. He needs to take risks, and only he knows who those players are, though we have a clear idea, like CE for starters. He needs to get his respect back by playing players who are going to fight and play for him. He needs to make ruthless decisions. Easier now GLC/RS/Foyth are on their way back. Build Dele with love over the break. And I hope that works, as I would be heart broken if we sacked him. As all in all ENIC haven’t really backed him the way they should of. Here Daniel Levy has to take the blame. But he is very stubborn.
 

WiganSpur

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That City game was the turning point for me. It was alarmingly bad and got me really questioning whether Pochettino was still the right man for the first time. Since then it’s just got worse and worse pretty much.
 

Ghost Hardware

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He needs to be brave (his words) if he is given the chance. He needs to honestly ostracise the players that wants to go, like Eriksen. He needs to take risks, and only he knows who those players are, though we have a clear idea, like CE for starters. He needs to get his respect back by playing players who are going to fight and play for him. He needs to make ruthless decisions. Easier now GLC/RS/Foyth are on their way back. Build Dele with love over the break. And I hope that works, as I would be heart broken if we sacked him. As all in all ENIC haven’t really backed him the way they should of. Here Daniel Levy has to take the blame. But he is very stubborn.
I completely agree with this. Certain players, despite their quality need to be taken out of the starting 11. He needs to pick the players that want to be here, not the ones who already have one foot out the door.
 

mrlilywhite

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Pretty amazing what happens when the man is backed, isnt it?
There are two constants currently at this club, one is the fans and the other is ENIC. Neither of them can be changed by force or will, so instead of spouting the same old rhetorical shit and look at the real cause as to why we are in this mess. You really need to start understanding why Poch has made his own mess here or at least 80% of it.
 

Wadec

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He needs to be brave (his words) if he is given the chance. He needs to honestly ostracise the players that wants to go, like Eriksen. He needs to take risks, and only he knows who those players are, though we have a clear idea, like CE for starters. He needs to get his respect back by playing players who are going to fight and play for him. He needs to make ruthless decisions. Easier now GLC/RS/Foyth are on their way back. Build Dele with love over the break. And I hope that works, as I would be heart broken if we sacked him. As all in all ENIC haven’t really backed him the way they should of. Here Daniel Levy has to take the blame. But he is very stubborn.

If he is here after the international break he has to play the right players. Pick a team who want to be here.

He cannot complain about players yet continue to pick them, that is on him.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Pretty amazing what happens when the man is backed, isnt it?

Plenty of managers have been backed with big money, e.g Moyes, Van Gaal & Mourinho all recently at Man U and they couldn't do much with it. What I found depressing was watching our U 19's against Bayern in the youth league game , same sort of negative passing with emphasis on retaining possession , are Poch's methods the way forward .
 

Welsh mark

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If Levy is the man he tries to betray, now is the time to show it. Why don't we as a club be unique and buck the trend of player power. Let Levy back Poch 100% in this manager/player power struggle, take the hit on £millions player value compare to a managers value. Believe me, we do this, other clubs will follow. BUT what do I know.
 

DCSPUR

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It's funny how so many of you think this is not Pochs fault.

I can't name them for obvious reason but I would wager if you knew which players agents I was getting my info from you'd probably have a different opinion.

the ONLY players that have standing to complain about Poch are Moura and Davidson

We know that Rose, Toby, Eriksen, Aurier, Wanyama were all looking for new teams in the summer....and it shows.
Also funny (not really) that no one came in for them (apart from Brugge).
Perhaps they ain't as good as they think they are at the moment.

Judging by your comment it suggests the agents are those with our stars: Kane for instance.

If that is the case I don't think it makes a difference. They along with the our want greener pastures 5 aside team have been treated with kid gloves by Poch.

IF Poch gets a couple more games after the international break I hope he decides to channel some of the first season post Villa spirit - pick players who want to be here (and show it with their contracts) and show it on the field.

By the way, those asking for Allegri or Mou....neither are idiots. Their demands (in addition to a bigger salary than Poch) will include getting rid of 6-7 first teamers right away and signing at least that many more - and not potential but the finished product.

The VERY thing Poch has been talking about but isn't getting. And don't go on about the 3 players we brought in this summer (two of which haven't played yet).

Ah bugger it.

Levy has three options: 1 he's going to make a colossal error and sack Poch
2 status quo until the summer - cheaper option
3 back Poch big time

my guess is it won't be 3 as there is fark all evidence of that happening with Danny
 

JayB

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He needs to be brave (his words) if he is given the chance. He needs to honestly ostracise the players that wants to go, like Eriksen. He needs to take risks, and only he knows who those players are, though we have a clear idea, like CE for starters. He needs to get his respect back by playing players who are going to fight and play for him. He needs to make ruthless decisions. Easier now GLC/RS/Foyth are on their way back. Build Dele with love over the break. And I hope that works, as I would be heart broken if we sacked him. As all in all ENIC haven’t really backed him the way they should of. Here Daniel Levy has to take the blame. But he is very stubborn.
Absolutely spot on. If Poch is to stay, then he has to take bold action to get the players back behind him. He’s in a similar position to what he found himself in during his first season, when he had to ostracize the likes of Ade, Lennon, Capoue and Kaboul and stamp his authority on the squad.

I honestly thought we’d see it happen today and was shocked to see the ex-Ajax lot (minus Sanchez) start the match. Poch is running out of time (he may have already run out of it) and if he’s given another stay of execution he’s got to take drastic measures and field a team of eleven players who will actually play for him.
 

DCSPUR

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He needs to be brave (his words) if he is given the chance. He needs to honestly ostracise the players that wants to go, like Eriksen. He needs to take risks, and only he knows who those players are, though we have a clear idea, like CE for starters. He needs to get his respect back by playing players who are going to fight and play for him. He needs to make ruthless decisions. Easier now GLC/RS/Foyth are on their way back. Build Dele with love over the break. And I hope that works, as I would be heart broken if we sacked him. As all in all ENIC haven’t really backed him the way they should of. Here Daniel Levy has to take the blame. But he is very stubborn.

Herc thank you for this post. It is the most sensible insider take I have read during these turbulent months since the CL final.
Better than my rant.....need to go lie down now.
I do trust Poch and so badly want him to show that bravery.
 

Danny1

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Agreed with what’s being said. If he is lucky enough to still be managing our club when we line up against Watford then he needs to be ruthless and drop those who have no intention of being part of the club. With Ndombele building fitness, GLC, RS and Foyth all being available by then as well we could field a team of:

GK - Gazza

CB - Foyth
CB - Sanchez
CB - Jan

RWB - KWP
LWB - Sessegnon

CM - Ndombele
CM - Dier

AM - GLC
AM - Son

ST - Kane

At least with this formation we are playing the players that appear to want to be here and with the likes of Dele, Skipp, Lucas and Lamela on the bench we are sticking with that same theme.

Something drastically needs to change.
 

Spurzinho

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If Levy is the man he tries to betray, now is the time to show it. Why don't we as a club be unique and buck the trend of player power. Let Levy back Poch 100% in this manager/player power struggle, take the hit on £millions player value compare to a managers value. Believe me, we do this, other clubs will follow. BUT what do I know.

Judging by our performances over the last 12 months or so I'm not at all convinced that that would fix things. Let's be real here, we're not talking about one or two bad eggs. Everyone has regressed. Tactically we've been all at see since the world cup. What we achieved last season was more good luck and moments of individual brilliance than Poch's philosophy getting us over the line.

I've already criticised Levy for his shenanegans but we also have to factor in that Poch has been a bit of a nightmare on the transfer front as well. He was quite clear. if we can't get his primary target then we sign no one. Well, that has worked out well hasn't it?
 

Welsh mark

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Herc thank you for this post. It is the most sensible insider take I have read during these turbulent months since the CL final.
Better than my rant.....need to go lie down now.
I do trust Poch and so badly want him to show that bravery.
He's brave enough, is levy?
 

For the love of Spurs

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the ONLY players that have standing to complain about Poch are Moura and Davidson

We know that Rose, Toby, Eriksen, Aurier, Wanyama were all looking for new teams in the summer....and it shows.
Also funny (not really) that no one came in for them (apart from Brugge).
Perhaps they ain't as good as they think they are at the moment.

Judging by your comment it suggests the agents are those with our stars: Kane for instance.

If that is the case I don't think it makes a difference. They along with the our want greener pastures 5 aside team have been treated with kid gloves by Poch.

IF Poch gets a couple more games after the international break I hope he decides to channel some of the first season post Villa spirit - pick players who want to be here (and show it with their contracts) and show it on the field.

By the way, those asking for Allegri or Mou....neither are idiots. Their demands (in addition to a bigger salary than Poch) will include getting rid of 6-7 first teamers right away and signing at least that many more - and not potential but the finished product.

The VERY thing Poch has been talking about but isn't getting. And don't go on about the 3 players we brought in this summer (two of which haven't played yet).

Ah bugger it.

Levy has three options: 1 he's going to make a colossal error and sack Poch
2 status quo until the summer - cheaper option
3 back Poch big time

my guess is it won't be 3 as there is fark all evidence of that happening with Danny

If he sacks Poch and brings in a top line winner like Allegri, Levy will probably as you say have to sell 6-8 players quickly and buy just as many.

If he doesn’t back Allegri or Mourinho or whoever comes in the place will quickly become toxic.

Levy makes sacking Poch a real risk with his leadership style.
 

Shadydan

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I read this and start to believe he's the man to fix it. Then I come in here and read Hercules and Trix's posts and doubt it again.

It's a mess. An absolute mess. Our fan base is split, nobody knows where to look or what to believe.

Painful rebuild?


He's a very good talker but ultimately what's the point when the players stop listening to him.
 

fortworthspur

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I agree with benching the malcontents. It sounds knee jerk but what do we have to lose? Im certain Sanchez and Tanganga could have held Brighton to three goals as well.
 
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