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rossdapep

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Whilst it sounds like the club have no intention of removing him (JJ itk), I honestly can't see him surviving should we lose to West Ham and struggle in the following home game.

We will likely be within 3 points of the bottom 3 - maybe less - and people will start to become restless. We could also be 15 points plus adrift of top 4.

I wouldnt be surprised if a few players go to the press too and stories of a mutiny start.

There's no way Levy allows that to run.
 

Spurger King

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Whilst it sounds like the club have no intention of removing him (JJ itk), I honestly can't see him surviving should we lose to West Ham and struggle in the following home game.

We will likely be within 3 points of the bottom 3 - maybe less - and people will start to become restless. We could also be 15 points plus adrift of top 4.

I wouldnt be surprised if a few players go to the press too and stories of a mutiny start.

There's no way Levy allows that to run.

I was thinking how I’d love to know what’s going behind the scenes.

Then I remembered the Amazon documentary and realised that I really don’t.
 

Lighty64

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He has been backed by an ambitious board something we don't have but klopp is still a better manager than poch tactically and from a motivational perspective.

if Klopp really is a better manager, why did it take him 4 years for him to finally finish above us. At the moment Klopp has a very talented 1st XI and was given the backing to do so. this last season and a bit they have hardly suffered any injuries. They are also getting the breaks needed, for example, today if TAA does that on the line he gets a red card and a penalty to City, so why wasn't it a penalty. I have seen many of there games this season and they are getting the breaks. even v us TAA should have received a 2nd yellow and v Villa Mane should have been booked twice before his yellow for diving.
 

Lighty64

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I'm not missing the point, I've completely hit it.

We can speculate on who's at fault for different factors all day long, but he's responsible for coaching, motivating, preparing and picking the team that he has at disposal now.

It's not been good enough for far too long now, and this current group is capable of a lot more.

he had 1 day to prepare for the visit of Sheff Utd
 

fishhhandaricecake

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if Klopp really is a better manager, why did it take him 4 years for him to finally finish above us. At the moment Klopp has a very talented 1st XI and was given the backing to do so. this last season and a bit they have hardly suffered any injuries. They are also getting the breaks needed, for example, today if TAA does that on the line he gets a red card and a penalty to City, so why wasn't it a penalty. I have seen many of there games this season and they are getting the breaks. even v us TAA should have received a 2nd yellow and v Villa Mane should have been booked twice before his yellow for diving.
Klopp way better than poch.
 

DannyNZ

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Who do you suggest can take us forward.
Ponder this thought, you take away (the want aways and players past their best) ie Rose Toby Jan Eriksen Aurier Wanyama we have inexperienced EPL players in key position ie Foyth Sessesgnon Lo Celso Ndombele. Dier Davies Alli ain't fully up to speed. Is Sissoko really good enough?

We need to speed money and allow the rebuild to take place
Sheffield has a team full of inexperienced EPL players and wiped the floor with us and we were grateful to escape with a point. We’re now talking spending money to just get us back to where we were and pull away from the bottom half where we currently reside and have earnt that right by shit performances over the past year.
 

gibbospurs

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he had 1 day to prepare for the visit of Sheff Utd
Our first team footballers need time to prepare for a football match? In what way? This shit pisses me off, they are professional football players. They have played all there lives. They know how to play football, probably better than the manager. The less time listening to the boring manager talking in riddles the better.
 

Lighty64

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Klopp way better than poch.

last season and this season, why didn't they finish above us in his 1st 3 seasons?

As I have said last season we where keeping up with them and that was playing badly, they suffered hardly any injuries, went out of the domestic cups in the 1st round, while we suffered numerous injuries, made the semi's of the CoC, the 2nd round of the FA Cup where we had no choice but to field a weakened squad v Palace. most of their main 1st team started over 30 games, with 3-4 playing the full 38. it meant they had a settled team, we only had 4-6 players play over 30 games, and so of them where playing with injuries
 

Lighty64

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Our first team footballers need time to prepare for a football match? In what way? This shit pisses me off, they are professional football players. They have played all there lives. They know how to play football, probably better than the manager. The less time listening to the boring manager talking in riddles the better.

hold on, all the experts in here keep saying Poch isn't coaching them well, and no good at tactics. Surely you need more than a day to pinpoint any weaknesses your next op has, and work on them.

we also played 3 games in 6 days which didn't help prepare, yet Sheff Utd had a full 7 days to turn up fresh. are you telling me we should have been as fresh as them?
 

DEFchenkOE

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I guess the answer is Poch has performed well for us at one point whereas Arsenal have always questioned whether Emery is the right man.

The funny thing is Emery has actually won trophies in 2 different countries. I'd be much more inclined to stick with someone who has that kind of calibre over someone who hasn't won a single pot.
 

TEESSIDE1

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last season and this season, why didn't they finish above us in his 1st 3 seasons?

As I have said last season we where keeping up with them and that was playing badly, they suffered hardly any injuries, went out of the domestic cups in the 1st round, while we suffered numerous injuries, made the semi's of the CoC, the 2nd round of the FA Cup where we had no choice but to field a weakened squad v Palace. most of their main 1st team started over 30 games, with 3-4 playing the full 38. it meant they had a settled team, we only had 4-6 players play over 30 games, and so of them where playing with injuries

There’s no comparison between Poch and Klopp, Spurs and Liverpool. One team is in free fall the other is going from strength to strength.

2015/16 - 10 pts ahead
2016/17 - 10 pts ahead
2017/18 - 2 pts ahead
2018/19 - 26 points behind
2019/20 - 20 points behind (less 1/3 of the season)

Manager wise - Liverpool attack and defend as a team, they rarely concede, create and score goals for fun, adapt their team to their opponents. We’re the polar opposite.

Tactics - take the City game for example. 4 solid defenders, 3 solid midfielders and 3 forwards. City got a goal back and were dominating possession. What did Klopp do? Took a striker off and beefed up midfield. As City continued to push he then took off another striker and brought on a centre back. He didn’t mess with his defence or midfield set up and left his 2 then 1 strikers up top for the counter attack. Excellent in game management by Klopp.

Sheff U - what did Poch do? Took off Alli and brought on Foyth causing us to have to reposition our now entire back 5 and cut off any link between the midfield and front players. In addition to this and in particular for their goal, there was no pressure on the Sheff U players and all of our players ended up behind the ball... the polar opposite to what Klopp did. We invited pressure, changed the system and paid the price. Piss poor in game management by Poch.
 

Sandros Shiny Head

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hold on, all the experts in here keep saying Poch isn't coaching them well, and no good at tactics. Surely you need more than a day to pinpoint any weaknesses your next op has, and work on them.

we also played 3 games in 6 days which didn't help prepare, yet Sheff Utd had a full 7 days to turn up fresh. are you telling me we should have been as fresh as them?
This isn’t a valid excuse, we have the same problems against almost every team we play against so it’s clearly not relevant to this one game
 

glacierSpurs

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So I’m assuming if he’s not gone tomorrow or Tuesday at a push, he’s not going anywhere for the foreseeable.
Long season ahead my fellow yids and yidettes ?
And this is damn frustrating. No club football during the international week is properly the most welcoming break from the dross performance, but then this period is so difficult when still nothing is done to stop the rot or improve the situation.
 

mike_l

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No, he was excellent already, they have had a record low # goals conceded thanks to his service. Yes he wasn't nominated for awards but you need to be internationally visible for that

We don't know either how far he could develop under another manager, do we?


Eh? Majority of them we sold, and were sold to worse clubs than Liverpool (Palace, Saints, WBA, Stoke, Bournemouth etc). Why would a player want to go from Pool to shit like Palace if not forced by Klopp? He's clearly written them off
I don't get your point then, are you blaming our board for not backing the manager and getting rid of the unwanted players or are you blaming Poch for not making them so desperate to leave that they would take a step down?
 

SpursSince1980

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There are some awesome things Poch has done for this team over the years. The biggest perhaps, was belief and attitude. And a willingness to show faith in youth. All That’s kinda evaporated. You can see it the players body language. But i also think they seem a bit discombobulated at times. I wonder if that’s down to a few factors: constantly changing personnel and tactics, lack of trust in each other, and anxiety for some players about being dropped before getting much of a chance to impress. I think about the likes of Moura, who gets a few minutes here and there and i don't think has ever been given a run of six or seven starts to find some form. And yet Dele and Eriksen start frequently and have been frequently deeadful. Or what about KWP? Two Pl starts!? And meanwhile the walking red card, penalty conceder, monster mistake maker, gets to start all the time now. Is it any wonder if some of the players think he's erratic or unfair?

He really needs to commit to a formation, a style of play and a set of 15 players (injury permitting), and trot them out game after game. Allow them to get some kind of rhythm going. Even if it takes a few matches for it to settle... Just commit. I think the players would benefit from knowing that they will be playing a specific formation, style and set positions game after game. I mean, isn't that basically Klopps blueprint? We can all name is his starting 11 every week and the positions they'll be playing.

So, what if Poch decides to switch shit up and play a 433. Gaz in goal. Foyth at RB. Davinson CB. Toby CB. Sess LB. Le Celso RM. Winks CM. Ndombele LM. Lamela RF. Kane CF. Son LF.

And play the same sodding bunch every chuffing game, with occasionally giving a rest to one or two players here snd there. But by n large, just stick with something they can all just rely on and get used to. No more fucking tweaking shit every damn game.

Consistency comes from being consistent. So, maybe the magic one should put away his limp wand and get back to basics.
 

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We’re a supertanker carrying sewage floundering on a rocky seabed, spilling its rancid cargo into the ocean.

They’ll be nee seagulls following that vessel.
 

double0

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Sheffield has a team full of inexperienced EPL players and wiped the floor with us and we were grateful to escape with a point. We’re now talking spending money to just get us back to where we were and pull away from the bottom half where we currently reside and have earnt that right by shit performances over the past year.

The positives, we didn’t lose. Were unbeaten in 5 up to Sheffield United who are unbeaten away. Pochettino had side lined a number of want away player.
 
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