Jose Mourinho

SirHarryHotspur · Nov 24, 2019

Next job for Jose is when Hugo is fit is to teach him how to distribute quickly , couple of times yesterday Gazza nearly got our forwards in with quick long clearances.

SugarRay · Nov 24, 2019

Colonel_Klinck said:
Jose is being very very humble at the moment. All about the players and not him. I really hope that continues. I can like this version especially if we win things. The train wreck Jose is not the one I want. Also if we play with 4 attacking players like that I’ll be very happy. We’ll trouble any team with those 4 players running at them.

I think he’ll keep the focus on the players until we lose and then he’ll take the blame.

I just hope he’s not being this humble behind closed doors. I suspect he isn’t.

SugarRay · Nov 24, 2019

whitesocks said:
Long ball worked against Wham as they were sloppy and nervous and we would often pick up the second ball.
But Kane is no Drogba - hoof it long to him and most competent defences are not troubled. He is out muscled and out jumped.
Kane is not a traditional striker - it's his strength and weakness. In the buildup, it has to be played to his feet.
MP worked this out last year and it's why we bought Llorente. I'm not sure why he was allowed to go.

They were sloppy and nervous because Kane was really competing for it. He has all the physical tools to give defenders a tough time in such a style of football. Diop is as physical as any centre half in the league and Kane gave him plenty.
I remember back in Poch’s earlier days with us, Kane battered Van Dyke on a couple of occasions. He can put himself about make no mistake.

spids · Nov 24, 2019

Snarfalicious said:
The biggest takeaway for me so far (albeit 1 game) is that Mourinho is not making things more complicated than they need to be. Comments came out from him about talking to players about how they want to play and I think judging from that first Starting XI he’s really taken that to heart. Just put these really talented players in their favored positions and then figure out the tactical portion as you go. Guess that’s a sign of a really aware and seasoned coach.

I think he’s a lot cleverer than that. This is just Phase 1 - someone else’s team and squad that needs immediate upturn in results and also getting key players on side. (Dier/Dele/Son/Kane etc.). He would have known the team he picked yesterday weeks ago. He will also already be thinking ‘how can I beat Liverpool with these players?’, ‘How can I get a draw away from home in the CL knockout stages with these players?’. Mourinho plans and plans and plans. Phase 1 is psychological to win over players and fans as quickly as possible (and he’s doing a great job). Phase 2 will be working out how to get Levy to spend £50m+ in January (top 4 may be possible, winning the CL May be possible, winning the FA Cup would be a great first return etc.). He is a great strategist. I just hope the moaning, snidey, bad loser Jose does not turn up any time soon, I used to love Poch’s sense of sportsmanship. A real gentleman.

chelmyid · Nov 24, 2019

Kane was back to competing properly yesterday I agree. For weeks he has been jumping for the sake of it and jogging - yesterday he was on it again. Jose will make him a monster (which is mad considering what he already is) for instance the little shove in the corner in the first half - kane has been instructed to ruffle feathers. I’m just as excited to see his next step as anything else

sausage · Nov 24, 2019

spids said:
I think he’s a lot cleverer than that. This is just Phase 1 - someone else’s team and squad that needs immediate upturn in results and also getting key players on side. (Dier/Dele/Son/Kane etc.). He would have known the team he picked yesterday weeks ago. He will also already be thinking ‘how can I beat Liverpool with these players?’, ‘How can I get a draw away from home in the CL knockout stages with these players?’. Mourinho plans and plans and plans. Phase 1 is psychological to win over players and fans as quickly as possible (and he’s doing a great job). Phase 2 will be working out how to get Levy to spend £50m+ in January (top 4 may be possible, winning the CL May be possible, winning the FA Cup would be a great first return etc.). He is a great strategist. I just hope the moaning, snidey, bad loser Jose does not turn up any time soon, I used to love Poch’s sense of sportsmanship. A real gentleman.

Jose needs to be loved, and that's his power source. It'll be up to the fans, imo, to keep him happy. If we can support him like we did Poch, it could turn out very well.

I don't think we'd get as petty (with planes and banners) as United, as we expect and appreciate far less - at least I hope we don't get like that

Primativ · Nov 24, 2019

ljinko888 said:
It's not as simple as that. Look at what happened after Mourinho got sacked at United. They won the very next game 5-1, won about nine in a row thereafter and Ole in fact broke a club record for most wins in the opening ten league games or something like that.

The difference between a new manager coming in now is a new manager is precisely that. A new face, a new voice, a new relationship. Everyone starts from scratch.

Now look at them in the last six months. We've picked up more points than them. They struggle to score goals. When Ole got the job permanently in April he had an amazing record in those five months and United fans felt vindicated, everyone in the media said it was the right call, whereas now they probably think it was premature. How could a manager of Molde and Cardiff get the Manchester United job?

Similarly saying after one game Poch's demise was him forgetting his own formula is nonsense. The reality is he probably tried to replicate his formula and it no longer responded hence why he was tinkering so much by the end for something to stick.

Players like Rose, Dier, Wanyama got too many injuries. Players like Eriksen and Alderweireld were starting to get itchy feet. Dele had the first blip period in his career which was bound to happen. And yes, Harry Kane stopped being the bulldozing force he was largely down to injury. These were the players who were staples of the Poch formula when it was working fabulously. You can afford to have one or two drop off but too many did. And I don't think because the players threw the towel in. Look at how many have paid tribute. Davies said he'll move onto bigger and better things. It's just once he could no longer pick them up he was doomed.

Klopp had that at Dortmund. He didn't forget what brought him success. Things just ran its course. The only difference being he was allowed to finish the season before it was best to close that chapter.

It wasn’t down to injuries that players stopped performing. Kane hasn’t been injured this season but yesterday was the first time we saw him play like the real Kane since Liverpool 4 - 1 at Wembley.

Alli has had injuries but again he’s been dog shit under Poch for two years, way before and after any injuries, yesterday he was MOM pretty much.

The reason Alderweireld got itchy feet is because of Poch by the way, you know that right?

Not only did the players stop trying for Poch, some were actively looking to leave because of him.

The player simply stopped responding to Poch, lost their faith in him and his tactics, and no longer believed he was the best man to lead us to success.

Please don’t blame injuries, and key players wanting out wasn’t an unfortunate problem that he faced not of his making, it was directly caused by him.

spursfan77 · Nov 24, 2019

NEVILLEB said:
Danny Murphy is right.

Mourinho succeeded today by going back to the formation and personnel that Pochettino used to play. That’s not a good reflection on Poch.

Especially when even the brains of SC could see it 2/3 months ago!

spursfan77 · Nov 24, 2019

whitesocks said:
Long ball worked against Wham as they were sloppy and nervous and we would often pick up the second ball.
But Kane is no Drogba - hoof it long to him and most competent defences are not troubled. He is out muscled and out jumped.
Kane is not a traditional striker - it's his strength and weakness. In the buildup, it has to be played to his feet.
MP worked this out last year and it's why we bought Llorente. I'm not sure why he was allowed to go.

I know what you’re saying but I’d rather the 50/50 chance of Kane winning a header v the opposition centre back up their end of the pitch to us dicking about with it at the back, leading to one of: lloris/gazza getting the ball back and kicking it long anyway; inviting pressure on ourselves unnecessarily; or lloris kicking it out of play midway in our half surrendering possession there.

Sure it did work under Poch when we got out but why put ourselves in a position at the moment to lose the ball around our area when already we aren’t the best defensively. If our defending improves, Mourinho may well bring this back in at some point, but I can fully understand him not putting our defenders under that extra pressure straightaway in his first game by asking them to that bit extra.

Gilzeanking · Nov 24, 2019

SugarRay said:
They were sloppy and nervous because Kane was really competing for it. He has all the physical tools to give defenders a tough time in such a style of football. Diop is as physical as any centre half in the league and Kane gave him plenty.
I remember back in Poch’s earlier days with us, Kane battered Van Dyke on a couple of occasions. He can put himself about make no mistake.

True . What I find interesting is that Kane has not been battering anybody for almost a year up to yesterday . I would speculate
from this small piece of evidence that yes , there was a prob between Poch and Kane that led to Kane's drop off of effort ....and now we have our competitive Kane back which ,if true, would be bloody marvellous .

Gilzeanking · Nov 24, 2019

Primativ said:
It wasn’t down to injuries that players stopped performing. Kane hasn’t been injured this season but yesterday was the first time we saw him play like the real Kane since Liverpool 4 - 1 at Wembley.

Yep .

spursfan77 · Nov 24, 2019

Mourinho said he thought our tiredness was to do with the international fixtures/emotions etc, which could well be true.

Could it be this too (overtraining), from this thread:

The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Absolute rubbish. I'm sorry, but that's the only way to put it. There's not a single person who doesn't have valid, rational reasons for believing as they do. The ones you accuse of having their 'head in the sand' believe that the best way forward is not to change, and there's nothing wrong...

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Everlasting Seconds · Nov 24, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Mourinho said he thought our tiredness was to do with the international fixtures/emotions etc, which could well be true.

Could it be this too (overtraining), from this thread:

The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Absolute rubbish. I'm sorry, but that's the only way to put it. There's not a single person who doesn't have valid, rational reasons for believing as they do. The ones you accuse of having their 'head in the sand' believe that the best way forward is not to change, and there's nothing wrong...

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Maybe. The splendid thing about overtraining, unless it has gotten chronic, is that the body of a top athlete can bounce back unbelievably quickly with just minor changes. It's not necessarily about rest either, but about different training. Bam, all of the sudden by next PL match the sense of fatigue can be gone, again unless it's utterly chronic.

SirHarryHotspur · Nov 24, 2019

So in the pre match stuff yesterday on BT Sport a couple of journalists at the stadium ( The Taxpayers Stadium ) were interviewed about the appointment of Jose, can't remember his name but one said Jose was a complete failure at Man Utd, so winning a League Cup and Europa League is considered a failure , some people are never satisfied.

Hakkz · Nov 24, 2019

SirHarryHotspur said:
So in the pre match stuff yesterday on BT Sport a couple of journalists at the stadium ( The Taxpayers Stadium ) were interviewed about the appointment of Jose, can't remember his name but one said Jose was a complete failure at Man Utd, so winning a League Cup and Europa League is considered a failure , some people are never satisfied.

Based on Utd expectations, then it could be seen as a failure. Would be amazing for most other clubs though.

spursfan77 · Nov 24, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
Maybe. The splendid thing about overtraining, unless it has gotten chronic, is that the body of a top athlete can bounce back unbelievably quickly with just minor changes. It's not necessarily about rest either, but about different training. Bam, all of the sudden by next PL match the sense of fatigue can be gone, again unless it's utterly chronic.

I’m not saying it is that but I think it will be interesting to see how their changes to training vary. I’m sure I remember some claims of his Man U team not being fit enough. But I can’t remember this being the case at Chelsea, although there were claims of him overplaying the same players there.

Flashspur · Nov 24, 2019

werty said:
Lucas didn't play as a RW today.

So what was he playing then? I am puzzled by the statement .

easley91 · Nov 24, 2019

SirHarryHotspur said:
So in the pre match stuff yesterday on BT Sport a couple of journalists at the stadium ( The Taxpayers Stadium ) were interviewed about the appointment of Jose, can't remember his name but one said Jose was a complete failure at Man Utd, so winning a League Cup and Europa League is considered a failure , some people are never satisfied.

Many people believe that because of United's history and the expectation to win the league and champions league anything less is considered failure. Personally, I think winning two trophies and finishing 2nd is successful when you look at them post Fergie. That's why I think he'll be in a much happier place with us, although some might expect him to win trophies, the pressure is much much less. Any trophy here is a success.

Everlasting Seconds · Nov 24, 2019

spursfan77 said:
I’m not saying it is that but I think it will be interesting to see how their changes to training vary. I’m sure I remember some claims of his Man U team not being fit enough. But I can’t remember this being the case at Chelsea, although there were claims of him overplaying the same players there.

I agree, which why I was somewhat sceptical of him bringing with him the same fitness guys as he worked with at ManUtd. But Tottenham's old fitness guy is there too for now, so yeah let's just see how it unfolds.

rossdapep · Nov 24, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Mourinho said he thought our tiredness was to do with the international fixtures/emotions etc, which could well be true.

Could it be this too (overtraining), from this thread:

The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Absolute rubbish. I'm sorry, but that's the only way to put it. There's not a single person who doesn't have valid, rational reasons for believing as they do. The ones you accuse of having their 'head in the sand' believe that the best way forward is not to change, and there's nothing wrong...

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

I'm almost certain its this.

Sissoko complained about not being able to do certain things and that it was exhausting.

Ndombele was gassing after 60 mins.

And players were just generally not pressing anywhere on the pitch.

That Sheffield United goal is a prime example. They're not pressing cause they didn't want to, it's cause they couldn't!

The 'weird' fitness guy (Verheijen) warned us about 3 years ago. He said both Klopp and Poch's methods would not last because players will fatigue.

Klopp adapted, due to his experience at Dortmund, whereas Poch stubbornly carried on. I imagine if he'd adapted, he'd still be here as the players would have gone with him.

Can you imagine being Harry Kane and hearing new players constantly been told that they are not ready yet. Then 3 months down the line they only start making the first 11.

If Poch is to be successful in this game he needs to adapt his methods. If he continues to be stubborn then he'll always hit a barrier wherever he goes.

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