Match Ratings Ratings vs Wolves

spids · Dec 16, 2019

coys200 said:
Anyone that thinks we played badly doesn’t understand football. We had a game plan and executed it. They had 2 serious efforts on goal. We could have had 4 easily. Defended superbly Dier Moura Kane Stand outs for me.

We should have had 3 by HT, and restricted them to hardly any good chances for most of the game. That said, we should changed things after 55-60 mins as Son and Moura became peripheral and we were well under the cosh .... but, once they scored the equaliser we came forward more and scored a winner. Sign of a winning team.

spids · Dec 16, 2019

BringBack_leGin said:
Is that so you can see what it looks like, having never done it yourself, Jermaine?

He has a point, but yesterday Dier’s job was purely ball winning and defence protecting, which he did superbly. Partner that version of Dier with a progressive passer and we are looking much better. A fit Ndombele in for Sissoko yesterday and our midfield dynamic improves massively.

... but Aurier will leave massive spaces behind that Ndombele will not cover. I personally think we need to be more conservative in tough away games and play a 3rd CM at the expense of Son, Dele or Moura.... or play Foyth at RB and tell him to stay back so he does not need covering.

BringBack_leGin · Dec 16, 2019

spids said:
... but Aurier will leave massive spaces behind that Ndombele will not cover. I personally think we need to be more conservative in tough away games and play a 3rd CM at the expense of Son, Dele or Moura.... or play Foyth at RB and tell him to stay back so he does not need covering.

I quite like the idea of two conservative (but technically comfortable) full backs with Lucas and Son in front. Best flanks we’ve had in my time watching Spurs were Charlie and Bennie begins Lennon and Bale respectively.

Thing is, Ndombele instead of Sissoko should in theory mean Aurier needs less covering as we have more of the ball and further up. Still susceptible to counter, but with Ndombele playing the more attacking role, Dier really could just sit and mop on either side.

cliff jones · Dec 16, 2019

Dier MoM, Gazza good, Moura also worked hard and obviously made a big difference with his goal- but he is dififcult for team mates to read

Kane put himself about but nothing really stuck up top, hence it coming back wave after wave- Son and Alli really were dog.

Jose geta away with one here, he knew Doherty and Traore were going to pile on and while Son ran back that's not his game. Sess would have been a better choice on the left in front of Jan.

THOWIG · Dec 16, 2019

Wasn't fair to watch City's game after ours. We can't control the midfield and we are in desperate need for players that can.

McFlash · Dec 16, 2019

I didn't get to see the game so I'm pleased to hear that Dier is playing his way back into form. I'll be well chuffed if he can get back to his best.

On another note, I really like the passion that Gazza shows. He's not afraid to shout and bawl at his defence and although he does have his flaws - he can be too slow getting down to low shots - I like a vocal keeper.

neilp · Dec 16, 2019

I’m delighted Dier is showing some better form now, he is very capable of playing like this. It needs to continue.

Black · Dec 16, 2019

i didn't think Dier was that good, i feel Eriksen should have come on earlier

Havre · Dec 16, 2019

I think Jenas is absolutely correct. Very solid little analysis, but there is a context here as well.

Dier has been giving the ball away game after game. I don't blame him for being conservative in his passing. First step is to play the ball to other Spurs players. The next step is to play it forward. I rather see him passing the ball backwards to a Spursplayer than giving the ball away. Obviously longer term he has to play the ball forward more, but for now I'm fine with it.

The bigger issue is that he needs someone playing next to him that can take more responsibility when we are in possession. Sissoko is horrible - he just hides. Never will he move into space to show himself when one of our defenders are on the ball. Obviously there is a reason for it as Sissoko is not very good under pressure in the middle of the park. Play Dier next to N'Dombele or hopefully a more confident Winks and this weakness of Dier will not be as problematic as it is now.

Pleased to hear Mourinho saying he doesn't see Sissoko as a CM. He really isn't.

Yid · Dec 16, 2019

Super Jan my MOTM - 9 (managed Traore's onslaught quite well throughout the match; put the final nail in the coffin with that beautiful header).

Lucas - 8 (deserves it just for that brilliant individual performance on the goal..I don't know how he managed to stay on his feet in the penalty area. Outstanding effort on the goal and in general bombing forward and hustling. Not so good in maintaining possession though)

Gazza - 8 (couple of great saves; confident throughout the game)

Dier - 7.5 (His best game for us so far this season. Finally showing glimpses of his best self in 2016. Loved his passion and intensity. I took a half point off for the unnecessary foolish challenge near the flank, right in front of assistant ref, which set up a dangerous free kick by Moutinho).

Toby - 7 (really good game overall...nothing really stands out).

Sissoko - 6 (Solid. Mostly helped reinforce the back 4. Looked like Mourinho instructed him to sit back deeper, knowing the Wolves would be relentless attacking our final third).

Kane - 5 (Average performance but not really his fault).

Aurier - 5 (Average as well)

Davinson - 4 (Looked confused and made sloppy decisions most of the game..a first letdown under Jose, after several strong games).

Son - 3 (Poor in defense and tracking back. Really poor in maintaining possession of the ball. Got easily blown off the ball by Wolves defenders each and every time. For the first time in a while I'd felt like we were playing 10 men with Sonny on the pitch).

Mou - 10 (For setting us up correctly and putting us in a position to salvage critical 3 points away against a strong, well coached Wolves club that was on an 11 game undefeated streak until yesterday).

What makes this victory even sweeter is Scum getting proper battered by the Mancs; Chavs losing to Bournemouth; Both Manure and Leicester losing points!

Muahahahaha :ROFLMAO:

Havre · Dec 16, 2019

Don't agree with that evaluation of Sanchez at all. He had that one Sanchez-moment with the long ball he can't get under control. And he fumbles the ball at one point during the second half - but there I blame the midfield players for not giving him any good passing options (ref Jenas' analysis). For crosses he was like a magnet. Proper old school CD play. Very solid as far as I could gather.

For all the crosses and set pieces Wolves had they never created much. Credit to Sanchez and Alderweireld for dealing so well with them. Even Aurier covered his back post brilliantly on that one occasion. Very Mourinho-style some of that defending.

Ossie85 · Dec 16, 2019

Black said:
i didn't think Dier was that good, i feel Eriksen should have come on earlier

He wasn't.
And we were extremely lucky to win the game. The completely dominated us in midfield.

We need a new DM asap. And hopefuly one of Winks Ndombele or GLC consolidates as the other CM

Gilzeanking · Dec 16, 2019

Not sure Moura (8) gets the credit deserved for his efforts in getting the ball back ,racing around nicking the ball away .He is chalk and cheese in comparison to Son(5) who really is a soft touch for oppo defenders wanting to play out from the back .

Also Moura jumps for headers and fights for 50/50s which Sonny isn't keen on . When not in possession Moura was excellent vs Wolves imo.

carpediem991 · Dec 16, 2019

Ossie85 said:
He wasn't.
And we were extremely lucky to win the game. The completely dominated us in midfield.

We need a new DM asap. And hopefuly one of Winks Ndombele or GLC consolidates as the other CM

Wow first I thought I have misjudged the game completely as I thought Dier was average by doing some solid stuff but not more. Glad I read a few posts who I agree with after all.
Dier probably did what was asked of him very okay but still he does not has the quality in my eyes to play regulary for us anymore. Especially with Sissoko too. Every pass played in our midfield felt like an uncomfortable thing to do and Wolves were all over us in the middle of the park. Nothing surprising given the season they and we have so far, still for me not convincing.

We got lucky and now we need someone to praise. We could have lost it then there would be raging all over here.

My MOTM was Gazzaniga with a 7, Dier and Lucas followed with other 7s.

Mr Pink · Dec 16, 2019

Ossie85 said:
He wasn't.
And we were extremely lucky to win the game. The completely dominated us in midfield.

We need a new DM asap. And hopefuly one of Winks Ndombele or GLC consolidates as the other CM

Completely domibated is a slight exaggeration.

And you don't deserve to win if thats all your carving out in terms of clear cut chances for supposedely 'completely dominanting'.

Shoe on the other foot and people would be saying we don't create enough for all the possession we had.

double0 · Dec 16, 2019

People have a right to voice /write their views but I am astonished with amount of criticism Sanchez gets. I swear it's not the same as others. He made a couple of poor passes mainly because he wasn't given good angels from the midfield (its not his strength), the one poor pass that resulted in a panic he got back to block his mistake.

Japhet · Dec 16, 2019

Havre said:
Don't agree with that evaluation of Sanchez at all. He had that one Sanchez-moment with the long ball he can't get under control. And he fumbles the ball at one point during the second half - but there I blame the midfield players for not giving him any good passing options (ref Jenas' analysis). For crosses he was like a magnet. Proper old school CD play. Very solid as far as I could gather.

For all the crosses and set pieces Wolves had they never created much. Credit to Sanchez and Alderweireld for dealing so well with them. Even Aurier covered his back post brilliantly on that one occasion. Very Mourinho-style some of that defending.

It makes it so difficult for the CBs when neither of the midfield players is comfortable receiving the ball. It makes it even harder when they don't show for it and neither can receive the ball and turn with it. Dier played well but in a very one dimensional way. He's hopeless on the turn so generally plays the ball straight back where it came from if there's any pressure on at all. Sissoko is no better really and it's no surprise to me that this makes Sanchez look jumpy, often firing a long pass to nobody. Put a couple of players in there who can control, turn, dribble and pass, and suddenly Sanchez would look a whole lot better. Instead, he gets called out for poor passing and Dier gets MOM ratings all over the place.

spids · Dec 16, 2019

Havre said:
Don't agree with that evaluation of Sanchez at all. He had that one Sanchez-moment with the long ball he can't get under control. And he fumbles the ball at one point during the second half - but there I blame the midfield players for not giving him any good passing options (ref Jenas' analysis). For crosses he was like a magnet. Proper old school CD play. Very solid as far as I could gather.

For all the crosses and set pieces Wolves had they never created much. Credit to Sanchez and Alderweireld for dealing so well with them. Even Aurier covered his back post brilliantly on that one occasion. Very Mourinho-style some of that defending.

He had 5 or 6 Sanchez moments plus gave the ball away throughout. One bad moment was Moura go fouled and we had a free kick midway in their half, a chance to go wide and get the ball in the box. Sissoko took a quick one and passed back to Sanchez who dithered, took a bad touch, seemed to get his balance and feet messed up and gave then ball away just inside our half leading to a counter attack. Inside our box he was brilliant - a real ball magnet defender (apart from one time first half where he tried to get physical and got turned inside out nearly costing a goal), but outside our box, specifically in possession, he was awful. I’m a big fan, but on that showing Foyth will be starting soon.

Havre · Dec 16, 2019

spids said:
He had 5 or 6 Sanchez moments plus gave the ball away throughout. One bad moment was Moura go fouled and we had a free kick midway in their half, a chance to go wide and get the ball in the box. Sissoko took a quick one and passed back to Sanchez who dithered, took a bad touch, seemed to get his balance and feet messed up and gave then ball away just inside our half leading to a counter attack. Inside our box he was brilliant - a real ball magnet defender (apart from one time first half where he tried to get physical and got turned inside out nearly costing a goal), but outside our box, specifically in possession, he was awful. I’m a big fan, but on that showing Foyth will be starting soon.

I guess I would have to watch the game again to really know. I am usually quite good at spotting, and counting, those kind of errors. I can't recall 5-6 at all, but I might remember it incorrectly. To me only one incident was really bad - when he should have just headed the ball instead of trying to control it. Even then I thought the rest of the players reacted slowly. Others should have understood that wasn't a ball he will obviously and easily control and react accordingly. Still he has to take 90% of the blame for what happened after.

High pressing opposition with Dier and Sissoko centrally even Alderweireld looks somewhat uncomfortable on the ball. And he is among the best in the league - really never gets stressed in possession.

Havre · Dec 16, 2019

Japhet said:
It makes it so difficult for the CBs when neither of the midfield players is comfortable receiving the ball. It makes it even harder when they don't show for it and neither can receive the ball and turn with it. Dier played well but in a very one dimensional way. He's hopeless on the turn so generally plays the ball straight back where it came from if there's any pressure on at all. Sissoko is no better really and it's no surprise to me that this makes Sanchez look jumpy, often firing a long pass to nobody. Put a couple of players in there who can control, turn, dribble and pass, and suddenly Sanchez would look a whole lot better. Instead, he gets called out for poor passing and Dier gets MOM ratings all over the place.

To me Dier was MOTM, but he wasn't perfect. And our defenders suffers in possession when they got Dier and Sissoko in front of them.

No coincidence that Dier played his best football next to Dembele. He didn't have to be available. Hopefully N'Dombele can be that player longer term.

I am no big fan of Dier trying to be Pirlo either. He needs to play it safe, but slightly more advanced than against Wolverhampton. With the right partner and some more confidence he might get there. Wolverhampton was certainly a step in the right decision, but he has more steps he got to take. No disagreement from me there.

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