The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Wheels on the Bus

Goobers · Jan 12, 2020

Surely JJ’s ITK is not a shock though. New manager wants his own squad. New manager sees deficits and mistakes made in putting current one together. New manager acknowledges difficulties in players not required leaving. Poch lucked out with Alli and Harry. Perhaps Japhet and one or two others will be an unwelcome gift for José.
I think the new manager needs three windows to get his squad looking anything like one he wants to take on and challenge.

JJetset · Jan 12, 2020

King of the Lane said:
JJ's post doesnt really calm me if I am honest. I remember him saying "Jan will be fun" well 2 potential loans and waiting to summer isnt my definition of fun.

Weve needed a DM, RB and LB for 2 years now and they havent been sorted. Thats negligence. To say we now have to wait another window to sort any of these is embarrassing regardless of if we have switched Managers and back room staff. Im not expecting to get all those positons sorted in Jan but at the very least 1 should be. 2 loan signings because of injuries mean they replace existing players rather than add to the squad and fill the holes. That is not how you progress.

Summer will be more excuses and more disappointment. The standard pattern of very positive ITK which slowly morphs into negative info and excuses has already begun and we arent half way through the month yet lol. This is by no means a dig at ITK as I appreciate the info, Im just feeling let down again by the club.

Ffs - You do know that we have had a big upheaval with the manager leaving since then?

mmidgers · Jan 12, 2020

That spine of the team JJ alluded to doesn't fill me with confidence. With the exception of Kane, son and possibly Ndombele, lloris is error prone and has been for some time. This might change with not playing out from the back so much, but that remains to be seen. Dele turns over possession too much for a midfield player. He'll get you goals, but IMO detracts from the overall performance of the team. Toby isn't getting any younger and his best days appear to be behind him.

Norwayspurs · Jan 12, 2020

King of the Lane said:
JJ's post doesnt really calm me if I am honest. I remember him saying "Jan will be fun" well 2 potential loans and waiting to summer isnt my definition of fun.

Weve needed a DM, RB and LB for 2 years now and they havent been sorted. Thats negligence. To say we now have to wait another window to sort any of these is embarrassing regardless of if we have switched Managers and back room staff. Im not expecting to get all those positons sorted in Jan but at the very least 1 should be. 2 loan signings because of injuries mean they replace existing players rather than add to the squad and fill the holes. That is not how you progress.

Summer will be more excuses and more disappointment. The standard pattern of very positive ITK which slowly morphs into negative info and excuses has already begun and we arent half way through the month yet lol. This is by no means a dig at ITK as I appreciate the info, Im just feeling let down again by the club.

That was before Poch got the sack.

GetSpurredOn · Jan 12, 2020

Could we be waiting more to the summer so we can potentially get Luis Campos in situ to draw up our target list?
I think a stronger midfield actually takes the pressure off our defence, so can see some of the logic.
Maybe the 2-3 targets are based on current numbers, but if Wanyama, Eriksen, Walker-Peters, Carter-Vickers etc leave, will that open up more space and funds.
Alternatively, maybe the loans are because we are aware we need strengthening, but our primary targets aren’t available at this time, so loan with option to buy allows us to take a look at some opportunistic targets, without risking being stuck with them if they fail.

Archibald&Crooks · Jan 12, 2020

I'm going to make one effort to stop this becoming a Dele bashfest because that's going on apace in Spurs Chat. I don't care what ITK says, lets not get bogged down in all that, it's relevant only as an illustration of where we're at.

Cheers

Deleted member 27995 · Jan 12, 2020

I only become concerned if it turns out we're not acquiring the targets Mourinho wants.

Lot of info over the last 24 hours and as ever, thanks for sharing.

spursfan77 · Jan 12, 2020

JJetset said:
I read that we are amateurs in the window when in fact our new manager wants to rebuild the whole team with different players to previously what we looked at under MP and as he has been here only 2 months its a change in direction. So we cant or wont exactly go out and buy a whole new team in January!
His team will revolve around Tanguy who he believes is top class. Add in Harry Sonny Alli Toby Hugo and you have the spine
Slowly things will evolve but i fear not at the pace for a lot of people on here but that is the reality.
Please do not post this anywhere else.
I also can concur with the others when they say that we are now actively looking at bringing in players especially in midfield.
Thank you

Also, it’s going to take more than one summer window unless we are massively proactive. It will be interesting to see if the PL decide to move the window back to the end of august when they meet next month. As that will also effect how we behave in the summer window. Mourinho might not have all the players in and out he wants by the start of the season (if we go by history) so patience might be stretched for some even longer.

Thanks for the update btw. We could do with a striker too of course but some planned bolstering of midfield is great to hear.

King of the Lane · Jan 12, 2020

JJetset said:
Ffs - You do know that we have had a big upheaval with the manager leaving since then?

As my post said I completely understand that but our problem areas have been ignored for over 2 years now! Do you expect people to be happy and content constantly waiting and being fed excuses by the club?

Also like I said when we hear things like January will be fun and Jose has budget he can use only for everything to do a sudden U turn again...how will we not be disappointed?

Surely you must understand a lot of fans feelings at the moment so im not sure why you have to say 'ffs."

Stoof · Jan 12, 2020

King of the Lane said:
As my post said I completely understand that but our problem areas have been ignored for over 2 years now! Do you expect people to be happy and content constantly waiting and being fed excuses by the club?

Also like I said when we hear things like January will be fun and Jose has budget he can use only for everything to do a sudden U turn again...how will we not be disappointed?

Surely you must understand a lot of fans feelings at the moment so im not sure why you have to say 'ffs."

Probably should read the guide to this forum, and remember that people that pass on information are not controllers of said information or even have any say in the situation at all.

You should also remember where that information is likely to come from - and ultimately, that maybe you shouldn’t be pinning your hopes on that information so heavily.

Salt pinch please.

Haddock · Jan 12, 2020

Thanks for the latest ITK. I'd say we should all take a chill pill and remember that this is january. Even if we do have the cash some deals will just and for very obvious reasons be impossible to do. Hence, why we'll most likely see opportunistic / out of favour / stop gap loan players, or whatever we choose to call it.

Mourinho isn't a mug. He'll have a vision of what he wants to do with this squad and it will take a couple of windows to clear out the deadwood and bring in new players. Just as it was for Pochettino and just as it was for Klopp. And no I wouldn't say that we're back on square one because the spine of this Spurs team (...regardless of our current form) is much better than 5 years ago. We were very close to manage a draw against "the best team in the world" last night, and our rebuild has barely started.

eddiev14 · Jan 12, 2020

Good to see JJ with an update. Thanks as always, nice to hear you’re calm about things mate. Always makes things feel a bit better.

Still feel that if we want the overhaul JJ is talking about then we need a DOF (e.g. Campos) so José can focus on coaching and DL can focus on the commercial side, which is still a lot smaller revenue-wise than the very top clubs. With the stadium done that should be his area of focus.

kelloggs · Jan 12, 2020

Seems pretty simple to me. To avoid end up in the familiar position of having deadwood we can't shift in the squad preventing the purchase a key targets in the summer window we need to ensure we don't add more in Jan. That means any signings need to be players we would sign for the plan next year or a loan at the right value. It means to some extent we are writing off this season I guess, which I understand upset some. But it is probably the intelligent play right now. If N'Dombele CAN get fit and a run and we see a midfield more in the manner of the one that finished the game yesterday, combine that with the improved defensive display (and selection) and we might be OK with a loan or 2. Lots of ifs in there and I know but it's where we are. Most of use were happy with the window back in August, albeit we all would have loved Dybala as well. Its a little bit revisionist to now suggest otherwise.

I know people just want us to spend, but were just not at that stage in our development as a club yet. I believe we were probably planning for the summer and a good investment to add to the previous one after a good campaign and possibly CL qualification again and a stadium sponsor. The scale of this drop off has surprised us all (note the word scale), hence we are having to tactically plan rather than strategically. I also think there isn't enough acknowledgement of the fact that it is a bizarre league this year. Name 1 team other than Liverpool, Leicester or Sheff Utd are doing really well.

I guess what I have come round to settling on is that it's been a tough league (i.e. teams close in quality) and our poor form meant we are much worse of than we expected. We can either panic now or accept it and try work towards next season. Tough to come to terms with but I pretty much have now.

King of the Lane · Jan 12, 2020

Stoof said:
Probably should read the guide to this forum, and remember that people that pass on information are not controllers of said information or even have any say in the situation at all.

You should also remember where that information is likely to come from - and ultimately, that maybe you shouldn’t be pinning your hopes on that information so heavily.

Salt pinch please.

I know the rules and Im not ITK bashing or questioning the ITK. Im not blaming any ITK for things theyve said being different now to what they previously posted. I was using those examples to reply to JJ and explain why some people feel disappointed in the direction the club is going with the transfer windows again.

Surely thats ok is it not? If im mistsken then I will happily delete my post.

However, I agree that I am fully guilty of not applying enough salt to the ITK and getting wrapped up in the madness. As we all are lol.

dagraham · Jan 12, 2020

spursfan77 said:
Also, it’s going to take more than one summer window unless we are massively proactive. It will be interesting to see if the PL decide to move the window back to the end of august when they meet next month. As that will also effect how we behave in the summer window. Mourinho might not have all the players in and out he wants by the start of the season (if we go by history) so patience might be stretched for some even longer.

Thanks for the update btw. We could do with a striker too of course but some planned bolstering of midfield is great to hear.

Yeah it’s hardly a surprise we’re not overhauling the squad in Jan. Good that we recognise we need to bolster the midfield with our injury problems there, but the concern for me is we need a striker. It’s more than just could do with one imo. It’s an urgent need now ( even if it’s just a loan).

BringBack_leGin · Jan 12, 2020

JJetset said:
I read that we are amateurs in the window when in fact our new manager wants to rebuild the whole team with different players to previously what we looked at under MP and as he has been here only 2 months its a change in direction. So we cant or wont exactly go out and buy a whole new team in January!
His team will revolve around Tanguy who he believes is top class. Add in Harry Sonny Alli Toby Hugo and you have the spine
Slowly things will evolve but i fear not at the pace for a lot of people on here but that is the reality.
Please do not post this anywhere else.
I also can concur with the others when they say that we are now actively looking at bringing in players especially in midfield.
Thank you

thank you JJ ?

This is fine, I’m not sure quite how much change anyone expected this window. I’m pleased that he rates Ndombele highly and I’m pleased that midfield is our focus. Yes, RB, LB, depth up front, all important, but if we improve the midfield, we improve our use of the ball and our shape off it, which suddenly makes all these other areas look better anyway. Midfield is everything, there’s a reason why something as simple as Dembele declining and Wanyama/ Dier deteriorating has lead to a previously fluid attack becoming disjointed and a previously impermeable defence becoming a colander. Get Ndombele fit and up to scratch, pair him with the right foil and everything looks better.

Anyway, I don’t see where JJ is ruling out full backs and forwards, only that it won’t happen at once and midfield is the priority.

ebzrascal · Jan 12, 2020

JJetset said:
Ffs - You do know that we have had a big upheaval with the manager leaving since then?

With all due respect a well run club with a good buying policy minimises the effect of changing managers... The truth is we have sat on our hands and seen smaller clubs like Leicester make our recruitment look poor 100% if we had gone the extra mile for Bruno and Dybala last summer Poch would probably still have his job.

Yiddo100 · Jan 12, 2020

ebzrascal said:
With all due respect a well run club with a good buying policy minimises the effect of changing managers... The truth is we have sat on our hands and seen smaller clubs like Leicester made our recruitment look poor 100% if we had gone the extra mile for Bruno and Dybala last summer Poch would probably still have his job.

We’ve changed manager once in about 6 years

rossdapep · Jan 12, 2020

The key is going to be in the coaching. Now that Jose should get more time with the players I expect some will start responding, like some started to yesterday. It's understandable that out targets will have completely changed.

However not replacing Kane is a worry

ebzrascal · Jan 12, 2020

Yiddo100 said:
We’ve changed manager once in about 6 years

your point is? like I said the top clubs buy well we have not... gone are the days when the manager buys the players anyway I doubt Klopp or Pep buys the players they coach and improve them. Mourinho would play good football with good players he parking the bus because of what he has at the moment. His first Chelsea side was entertaining and Madrid scored lots of goals under him but at Inter he was more defensive..

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