Match Threads Burnley vs Spurs - Match Thread

davidmatzdorf · Mar 7, 2020

Saoirse said:
For me it's not just the absences. It's the fact that Jose has tried to play a different style to mitigate them, and it doesn't work with our weak defence and everchanging CMs. Maybe long term it will be a good plan B (and we do need one!), but probably needs to be shelved until preseason.

Well, obviously. He's playing a different style because our strikers are both injured! He's not doing it to be perverse. We can't play with any of his preferred tactics, in the absence of a striker.

The defence was simply chaotic today. The change of defensive formation made fuck-all difference, it was just that we had the ball most of the time in the second half. The individual defenders weren't playing together and every one of them made multiple technical mistakes, especially when clearing the ball, or rather attempting to clear the ball. It was Keystone Kops defensively, throughout the match.

JayB · Mar 7, 2020

Saoirse said:
For me it's not just the absences. It's the fact that Jose has tried to play a different style to mitigate them, and it doesn't work with our weak defence and everchanging CMs. Maybe long term it will be a good plan B (and we do need one!), but probably needs to be shelved until preseason.

If someone had told you the day after the summer transfer window closed that Kane and Son would both be injured for essentially the entire second half of the season, and that no striker would be brought in in January, you'd have said we'd be absolutely fucked.

It's true that Jose has yet to find the best way of coping with their absences, but there isn't a manager in world football who could make this squad work without either Kane or Son. We were dogshit last season under Poch without Kane, and that was with Son available for most of that time and a third striker option in Llorente as well. Jose is not above criticism but the season became a write-off as soon as Son broke his arm.

Ray Ray · Mar 7, 2020

This run of poor form caused by injuries just highlights how bad our squad management has been.

Kane gets injured every season as he always gets stuck in no matter what, but we havent got anyone in the squad to take his place.

Even bigger than the lack of defensive midfielder, is our inability to hold the ball up at the moment, or as Kane and to an extent Sonny do really well, is win freekicks and get us up the pitch.

The reason our defence look so shit, is because it's coming back at them constantly. No time to rest, reset, regroup.

We need someone up front that can buy a few freekicks like Harry does, back in to players, take a touch and draw a foul rather than try to run past 3 defenders.

If we still don't get a striker in come the summer, then we will continue to suffer from inconsistency as we just don't have any other players that can get us up the pitch, let us reset the lines and build up the play again.

olliec · Mar 7, 2020

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
If you were cereal you’d be muesli because posts like this are as boring and unoriginal as they come.

I’ll say weetabix. Big round and pointless!

Ionman34 · Mar 7, 2020

davidmatzdorf said:
He's hiding in between Kane's hamstring and Son's arm.

When we still had one of our two world-class strikers, we were winning. Then Son got injured and we stopped.

This.

It was patently obvious that no finisher on the pitch has hamstrung us (scuse the pun). The players we currently have are those that create the platform for the finisher, they're not that themselves, so in a position where a proper finisher would know what to do, our guys are lacking.

There's a reason why good finishers are the most expensive players in the game, as many professionals have stated in the past, it's the hardest job on the pitch.

Ionman34 · Mar 7, 2020

On another note, as we need a left back, I'd push the boat out for Dwight McNeill. He's has a cracking season to date and he was the best player on the pitch, over the 90 minutes.

Skill, pace and an absolute quality cross on him. He's not too shabby defending either. I was very impressed by him today

Pistols At Dawn · Mar 7, 2020

well i got my wish -- a tanguay/skipp midfield -- and boy was i wrong

dondo · Mar 7, 2020

Marty said:
Why do you think he left for Villa? Because he lost his place to Pope.

Iirc pope was 3rd choice to Heaton and the x England keeper who’s name I can’t remember at the time

worcestersauce · Mar 7, 2020

Saoirse said:
For me it's not just the absences. It's the fact that Jose has tried to play a different style to mitigate them, and it doesn't work with our weak defence and everchanging CMs. Maybe long term it will be a good plan B (and we do need one!), but probably needs to be shelved until preseason.

Nevertheless with Harry Kane and Son Heung Min we win today, and Wednesday for that matter.

dondo · Mar 7, 2020

Marty said:
Why do you think he left for Villa? Because he lost his place to Pope.

Pope had 0 matches in the 18/19 season according to Wikipedia

guiltyparty · Mar 7, 2020

For all the “we were so much better” second half, we didn’t have a shot on target after the 50th minute penalty.

How low do we set the bar this season? Genuine question

George94 · Mar 7, 2020

I don't like to see our manager calling out our players, but fuck me it's almost the end of the season and I don't think we've seen a fully match fit Ndombele. We've seen glimpses of brilliance but the bloke can't complete a full 90 minutes or back to back games.

Despite the absolute shower of shit football I've had to watch us play recently, I'm still giving Mourinho until next season when he has key players back from injury, pre-season and a transfer window.

And speaking of the transfer window - please sign Dwight McNeil in the summer, Spurs.

Marty · Mar 7, 2020

dondo said:
Pope had 0 matches in the 18/19 season according to Wikipedia

He had an injury that kept him out for most of it after having previously usurped Heaton in 17/18 when he played 35 PL matches and Burnley qualified for Europa by finishing 7th, a season Heaton was injured for large spells of. Pope also went to Russia as England's 3rd choice.

Joe Hart was brought in because of Pope's injury and Heaton's previous injury, played half a season, was awful, and was dropped as soon as Heaton was fit.

In the summer Dyche decided Pope was his first choice, Heaton wanted regular game time and was sold to Villa, where he is now injured again and that's why they brought in Reina now.

Heaton's recent injury record alone is the biggest reason I wouldn't buy him because I do rate him.

RikkiRocket · Mar 7, 2020

olliec said:
I’ll say weetabix. Big round and pointless!

Weetabix aren’t round you thick fuck. ?

Saoirse · Mar 7, 2020

davidmatzdorf said:
Well, obviously. He's playing a different style because our strikers are both injured! He's not doing it to be perverse. We can't play with any of his preferred tactics, in the absence of a striker.

The defence was simply chaotic today. The change of defensive formation made fuck-all difference, it was just that we had the ball most of the time in the second half. The individual defenders weren't playing together and every one of them made multiple technical mistakes, especially when clearing the ball, or rather attempting to clear the ball. It was Keystone Kops defensively, throughout the match.

Yeah, the defence is poor and nothing tactically is fixing that. Partly a lack of quality, partly perhaps a coaching issue - I certainly hoped it would be a little better after a few months of him. But that being the case, I think you've got to be positive, play to your strengths rather than your weakness, and try to score a few goals. When we've tried that, we've looked a lot, lot better. Maybe we're too fatigued to play that way throughout matches, but we need to try and find a middle ground. We can't just accept the performances we've had under this style no matter the circumstances and I know he's a proven enough manager to realise that and be working on it. Fingers crossed we look better again in midweek!

JayB said:
If someone had told you the day after the summer transfer window closed that Kane and Son would both be injured for essentially the entire second half of the season, and that no striker would be brought in in January, you'd have said we'd be absolutely fucked.

It's true that Jose has yet to find the best way of coping with their absences, but there isn't a manager in world football who could make this squad work without either Kane or Son. We were dogshit last season under Poch without Kane, and that was with Son available for most of that time and a third striker option in Llorente as well. Jose is not above criticism but the season became a write-off as soon as Son broke his arm.

worcestersauce said:
Nevertheless with Harry Kane and Son Heung Min we win today, and Wednesday for that matter.

Kane being out at this time of the year is, sadly, more likely than not. Son being out is a shame, especially as it's rare for him, but it's always a possibility. I never like talking down my own team and I don't think we were "dogshit" last season - we are capable with the players we do have, more so than the likes of Burnley even though they're in good form, and I'm glad we showed that in the second half.

Monkey boy · Mar 7, 2020

I didn’t see the 1st half as I was out watching the rugby and had a few beers. From what I saw of the second half I thought we played well and looked like the team that would go on and win it. GLC really is top quality and bar a few mistimed passes we could and should have won this game. Disappointed to read the independent comments regarding the first half, especially the damning criticism of N’Dombele.
Having expected nothing from this game I was pleasantly surprised by the second half and our will to actually attack rather than sit back. I think with a fit Kane and Son we win that game.

RickyVilla · Mar 7, 2020

eddiev14 said:
They won’t until next season. To expect otherwise is unrealistic.

Cheers for that. I'll come to you when I need life advice. :cautious:

JayB · Mar 7, 2020

Saoirse said:
Kane being out at this time of the year is, sadly, more likely than not. Son being out is a shame, especially as it's rare for him, but it's always a possibility. I never like talking down my own team and I don't think we were "dogshit" last season - we are capable with the players we do have, more so than the likes of Burnley even though they're in good form, and I'm glad we showed that in the second half.

We were in relegation form for something close to 30 league matches before Poch was sacked. "Dogshit" is perhaps a bit strong but I'd say it's fitting for that kind of form over such a long time.

If Kane being out is so predictable (and I agree that it is), then why is Son our only other viable option up top? It's rank mismanagement of the squad, that's why. With Son as our only striker he has to play every match which greatly increases the likelihood of injury, and then when the injury comes to pass we're completely and utterly fucked.

I can understand why we didn't buy a striker in January, as panic buying can cause major problems down the line when you wind up stuck with second rate players on the books, but the club never should have let Llorente go without replacement in the summer. It was clear from the way last season transpired (Son being away on international duty when Kane was injured, Son picking up the red card against Bournemouth and the subsequent ban to end the league campaign) that we needed a third option. The club played with fire and got burned.

Saoirse · Mar 7, 2020

JayB said:
We were in relegation form for something close to 30 league matches before Poch was sacked. "Dogshit" is perhaps a bit strong but I'd say it's fitting for that kind of form over such a long time.

If Kane being out is so predictable (and I agree that it is), then why is Son our only other viable option up top? It's rank mismanagement of the squad, that's why. With Son as our only striker he has to play every match which greatly increases the likelihood of injury, and then when the injury comes to pass we're completely and utterly fucked.

I can understand why we didn't buy a striker in January, as panic buying can cause major problems down the line when you wind up stuck with second rate players on the books, but the club never should have let Llorente go without replacement in the summer. It was clear from the way last season transpired (Son being away on international duty when Kane was injured, Son picking up the red card against Bournemouth and the subsequent ban to end the league campaign) that we needed a third option. The club played with fire and got burned.

And we reached a CL final, not to mention were trying to rebuild in the first dozen games of this seasons that it's counting. It was a disappointing run of form, no more than that, we have to learn to take the rough we the smooth. As for a new attacked, I do agree there and hope we get one this summer. That doesn't mean we can't do better with what we do have for now, as we've seen with the massive improvement in that second half.

WiganSpur · Mar 7, 2020

davidmatzdorf said:
He's hiding in between Kane's hamstring and Son's arm.

When we still had one of our two world-class strikers, we were winning. Then Son got injured and we stopped.

We were still doing alright results wise even when we had only Son around imo. We were looking good for the top 4 even if the performances weren't top notch.

I expect the same people criticising Jose now will be praising him again as soon as they're back and we start winning again. Sure, I still think there are moments in games where we can show a bit more off the ball movement up there and that is on Jose. But not having our two key attackers is massive. It's so frustrating seeing the likes of Aurier whipping decent crosses in only for nobody to be there on the end of them.

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