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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

DanielJohnCosta

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You’re just completely misunderstanding the whole concept of what our approach was. As @Ionman34 said, our approach didn’t really change, just the personnel did. Ndombele jogging around and making a few neat touches isn’t what he was there for. Take note of Lo Celso’s role in the second half for what he was supposed to do.

What was it you said earlier in the week? “None of us deserve him when he hits form” or some shit. We know what side your bread is buttered unfortunately, you’re incapable of being objective at the guy.


1. Mourinho plays LoCelso in a totally different position than Ndombele
2. If a fan personally attacks a player to the extent that ndombele has had then yeh I'll defend him
3. As bias as I am to the player, I think I did a good job at distinguishing the two.
4. If you have a personal problem with me and are overlooking the post purely based on who posted it rather than what was said I don't give a fuck lmao
 

Nebby

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Jose’s been around the game long enough to recognise when a player is injured but will still give his all for the team (like Lamela, who he has repeatedly praised to the hilt). We got mugged spending +£50 million on this guy. He might have an eye for a pass, but he clearly doesn’t have the stomach for a fight.
 

double0

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What's Ndombele done so far on a Spurs shirt that makes you think he is due a blind eye being given?

If I pick one that's underperforming out of Mourinho as a manager or Tanguy a squad a football, Tanguy is the one letting us down. The bloke lasts 45-60 minutes a game.....Mourinho is piecing together a disheveled team wihnsingle digit top scorers. We need guts from Tanguy, instead we get a player requesting Boxing Day off of work
Boxing day off.
 

Spurs_Bear

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1. Mourinho plays LoCelso in a totally different position than Ndombele
2. If a fan personally attacks a player to the extent that ndombele has had then yeh I'll defend him
3. As bias as I am to the player, I think I did a good job at distinguishing the two.
4. If you have a personal problem with me and are overlooking the post purely based on who posted it rather than what was said I don't give a fuck lmao
Point 1 is where this falls down.

As for what I said about your complete lack of understanding, you’re basically praising one of your colleagues at work who’s having a bad time because he’s not doing the job he’s being asked to by your boss but he does make a lovely cup of tea.

Your conduct this last week has been complete lunacy but I play the ball not the man, and still think you’re wide of the mark.
 

DanielJohnCosta

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Point 1 is where this falls down.

As for what I said about your complete lack of understanding, you’re basically praising one of your colleagues at work who’s having a bad time because he’s not doing the job he’s being asked to by your boss but he does make a lovely cup of tea.

Your conduct this last week has been complete lunacy but I play the ball not the man, and still think you’re wide of the mark.

well then fair enough more entitled to your opinion appreciate the feedback
 

McFlash

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Two different people maybe Ndombele needs an arm around the shoulder or was that given to Lo Celso who knows maybe a kick up the ass.
Yeah possibly but that's where we fall into the trap of not knowing what's already been tried. Jose's previously said that he wanted to build his team around Tanguy, he's criticised him, put him on a special diet and training regime, etc, etc, etc.
At the end of the day, we can only make our judgements based on supposition, we have no idea of what's happened at the training ground.
 

Ionman34

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It was all about the tactics let's not kid ourselves. First half Jose did what his been doing of late containment. Ndombele was also plugging gaps and tackling along with Skipp. Lloris failed to push the shot away and the 5 CB's he picked weren't quick enough to clear.... Buts let's blame Ndombele.

Second half he was forced to charge tactics because we were losing the game he made positive changes moved Dier into midfield and put another attacking player on plus he played Aurier further up that opened the game more.

What he went on to say in the interview was unnecessary.
So what were the tactical changes that led to us dominating the midfield for the vast majority of the second half?

Aurier is a straw man argument too, as he came on in the 78th minute.

You make it sound as though moving Dier into midfield bolstered it, when all he did was swap out like for like. The difference was that the replacements worked harder.
Actually that’s not fair on Skipp, he worked hard but was swamped.

I feel I need to caveat this post to say that I was one of the leading cheerleaders for Ndombele when we were looking to buy him. It’s obvious to anyone with an ounce of Football nous that this man oozes talent. But talent gets you nowhere in this league without the hard work to go with it.

I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt here, much as JM is and has said in his statement. He’s had an awful start with the injuries and it is a new league, the hardest league in the World to play in. But whilst I may give him a pass on not necessarily being as effective as I believe he can be, I’ll not give him a pass on his lack of effort. The contrast in effort between him and Lo Celso was stark.

I hope to high heaven that JM can motivate him, as I truly believe we will have one of the Worlds best midfielders if he plays to his potential.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Well - nice to see Mourinhos approach on scapegoating a player to cover up other shortcomings still works in defining fans opinions.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Well - nice to see Mourinhos approach on scapegoating a player to cover up other shortcomings still works in defining fans opinions.

Yeah if Jose hadn’t had said anything I’d have thought Tanguy had a good half and was unlucky to get subbed off
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Yeah if Jose hadn’t had said anything I’d have thought Tanguy had a good half and was unlucky to get subbed off
Watch the first half again.

Genuinely wasn’t a ‘bad’ performance by him individually. Fucking awful performance collectively, obviously.

Point out the examples when you don’t think he looked like he cared.

Ask why the two cms were the ones considered to be losing us the match and substituted, when we set up with 5cbs offering poor options when we were in possession and we had two cms who were basically playing against a Burnley midfield 4.

really think Mourinho has played a personal blinder here.
 

olliec

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In a seasons time, N'dombele will have settled somewhere and be an elite player who takes risks, and is brave. Probably not with us because he'll have been driven out.

Mourinho will still be a washed up cowardly manager playing a back 5 of 5 centre backs and wondering why the midfield looks awful. He'll be tearing some other poor **** midfielder apart to protect his neck, totally unable to see his own flaws.
I just can’t understand why you or many others can’t see what he is doing. He said after the Norwich game we either go all in on the PL or CL. It looks like he’s trying to balance between the two. The plan was obviously 5 at the back and hold them out until around the 60th min before we let the big guns like Lo celso and Moura on. This way our best players get to conserve energy and will be ready for the CL. The plan failed because our terrible defence can’t keep anything out, but Hugo was also at fault. But you can see why we can’t play this intensity for 90mins right? So please stop slaughtering our manager and let him work! He’s having to work absolute miracles with what’s happening at the moment. If you and others want to rant then rant at anyone it should be our board.
 

mrlilywhite

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Watch the first half again.

Genuinely wasn’t a ‘bad’ performance by him individually. Fucking awful performance collectively, obviously.

Point out the examples when you don’t think he looked like he cared.

Ask why the two cms were the ones considered to be losing us the match and substituted, when we set up with 5cbs offering poor options when we were in possession and we had two cms who were basically playing against a Burnley midfield 4.

really think Mourinho has played a personal blinder here.
Hard to disagree with anything here - I was also in the camp that didn't see what N'Dombele did or didn't do in relation to the rest of the squad. TN has a very languid style anyway, so it's going to look like he's a half-arsed player for the most part. Do I expect more from him? With the talent he has, sure I'd like to see it. In no way did I think he deserved a public bashing though & JM, once again tries to come across faultless. I guess there is an argument for what Jose specifically wanted from TN, which we are not privy to, however, against Burnley 1st half it was hard to find any player that actually looked like they followed anything that Jose asked them to do, and if they did then what the bloody hell is JM thinking!?
 

Ronwol196061

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I watched parts of the game now I'm seeing more. Ndombele actually mot playing bad at all.
We have the same problems on the ball generally...not having lots of time on the ball..Ndombeke has been better than most. The defence are a bit if a shambles so far. Toby and Sanchez both very iffy. As for going forward Burnley very tight so no time. NDombele at least plays with his instinct and passes quickly. All these runners a d they cant forge space 35 minutes in
 

double0

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So what were the tactical changes that led to us dominating the midfield for the vast majority of the second half?

Aurier is a straw man argument too, as he came on in the 78th minute.

You make it sound as though moving Dier into midfield bolstered it, when all he did was swap out like for like. The difference was that the replacements worked harder.
Actually that’s not fair on Skipp, he worked hard but was swamped.

I feel I need to caveat this post to say that I was one of the leading cheerleaders for Ndombele when we were looking to buy him. It’s obvious to anyone with an ounce of Football nous that this man oozes talent. But talent gets you nowhere in this league without the hard work to go with it.

I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt here, much as JM is and has said in his statement. He’s had an awful start with the injuries and it is a new league, the hardest league in the World to play in. But whilst I may give him a pass on not necessarily being as effective as I believe he can be, I’ll not give him a pass on his lack of effort. The contrast in effort between him and Lo Celso was stark.

I hope to high heaven that JM can motivate him, as I truly believe we will have one of the Worlds best midfielders if he plays to his potential.
If you can't acknowledge there was a tactical change at half time and further tactical changes later on in the second half... What else is there to say.

Lo Celso has adapted that's great for us I'm truly happy about.

My take is Mourinho he did simliar when Alli was subbed took him off changed tactics and went on to say Alli knows he had a bad game due to being asked about Alli reaction... dropped him the following game then played him.

Mourinho purposely called out Ndombele for the first half for me that's the sort of things he did at other clubs I personally didn't agree with.

To be honest I can't see a way back for Ndombele he is pretty much doomed under Mourinho his card been marked.
 

mrlilywhite

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I just can’t understand why you or many others can’t see what he is doing. He said after the Norwich game we either go all in on the PL or CL. It looks like he’s trying to balance between the two. The plan was obviously 5 at the back and hold them out until around the 60th min before we let the big guns like Lo celso and Moura on. This way our best players get to conserve energy and will be ready for the CL. The plan failed because our terrible defence can’t keep anything out, but Hugo was also at fault. But you can see why we can’t play this intensity for 90mins right? So please stop slaughtering our manager and let him work! He’s having to work absolute miracles with what’s happening at the moment. If you and others want to rant then rant at anyone it should be our board.
Because that plan has worked so well in the other matches eh? I mean let's just soak up wave after wave attack, concede possession and just sit deeper and deeper until Burnley are camped on the edge of the box and hope that when Lo Celso & Moura come on that we can actually score goals, which if has been missed lately is becoming harder as each game goes by. There really isn't any positives from playing a game of chance, more so with a defence that looks like it is always on the brink of shipping a hatful.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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It was all about the tactics let's not kid ourselves. First half Jose did what his been doing of late containment. Ndombele was also plugging gaps and tackling along with Skipp. Lloris failed to push the shot away and the 5 CB's he picked weren't quick enough to clear.... Buts let's blame Ndombele.

Second half he was forced to charge tactics because we were losing the game he made positive changes moved Dier into midfield and put another attacking player on plus he played Aurier further up that opened the game more.

What he went on to say in the interview was unnecessary.

Agree. Feel Mourinho has been bang out of order with this.
 
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